The big show of the moment. Has anyone watched it?
A brilliantly dark, twisted true story produced and acted by the man that went through it all himself. Richard Gadd is a genius, turning his trauma into this art.
A must watch!
Yes we watched this and it is indeed very good. It's all very well acted, I particularly liked the way that none of the characters are portrayed as being perfect and equally they take the time to give the stalker a really well rounded character rather than just a character you hate all the time. The episode centred around the Edinburgh Fringe hit me out of nowhere though, I wasn't prepared for that story at all
Binged this all in one sitting last week, and it hit me so hard. Such a compelling piece of storytelling, and hits even harder when you sit back and think 'damn it's actually a true story too'. Definitely a contender for best show of the year so far.
Such a difficult watch at times (particularly when the story turned to what happened with Darrien), and brilliantly acted by all of the cast. Like you say D*, none of them were made out to be perfect, and there's definitely eyebrow-raising moments for all of them throughout the series and I think that's probably the best way they could've achieved what they have.
The only annoying thing is that anything like this always brings out the social media detective agencies in force, and while I think it was brave and bold of Gadd to appear in it himself and tell the story as authentically as possible and I probably wouldn't change any of it, I can't help feeling if they'd kept a lid on it being based on a true story and Gadd himself didn't portray the main character we wouldn't be seeing the real-life people being exposed the way they have been as a result, or at least it would've taken people a lot longer.
Yeah, watched this all one night earlier this week. Very impressive piece of work and I admire the way it doesn't judge any of the people involved yet isn't afraid to make clear that they're all very flawed.
Binge watched it all today
I really enjoyed it and agree with everyone else, I like that it didn't paint everyone as perfect. They tackled some really tough stuff delicately.
Great acting and it was very brave of the the actor to re-live traumatic moments of his life.
I haven't seen anything about the real people being exposed... I'm sometimes very glad to not pay a lot of attention to media!
I was meaning to make a thread on this! I watched it all in one day last week, it's a fantastic piece of work.
It's so complex that I'm still thinking about different elements on a daily basis. I particularly love how it shows a different side to how someone might deal with trauma and the repercussions it can have on all aspects of your life. Definitely hard hitting stuff that left a lasting impression.
The way the characters are portrayed is so interesting, idk how to word this really but the only character I was actively rooting for was Teri, she deserved better than Donny BUT I also could tell he did love her and was hoping he'd sort his shit out for her sake. Donny and Martha both had their faults and I think the fact that Richard recognised that is super important. It wasn't a case of villain vs victim, he wasn't painting himself as a protagonist, he was refreshingly self aware throughout. Nobody deserves to be put through that sort of torment but the fact he tried to understand why Martha was the way she was does speak volumes. It can't be easy having to relive it all again as well, firstly between filming it then again with the reception and people trying to track down the "real" people.
I do wonder why Richard chose to give Martha a different ending. He said she didn't get jail time irl yet she is arrested and found guilty in the series. I know he says he didn't press charges irl because he knew she was a victim as well but why not have the series end on that note too? Maybe it was purely for the story telling element.
This is definitely one of the best shows I've watched this year. I'm not surprised to see it blowing up and resonating with people the way it has done. It is so well made and very brave storytelling. I still can't quite get my head around the fact it's both a true story and the real person playing the lead role. Like Rooney says, the fact that you have sympathy for Martha and can understand the questionable decisions made by Donny, just shows how well crafted the show is and the complexity of the storytelling.
The show has had such a profound affect on me. The most incredible thing is how he has turned this trauma into pure cinema and art.
I too found myself really sympathetic to both Donny and Martha - the former was an everyman character of sorts and the latter was acted so brilliantly and believably that you almost couldn't help but warm to her.
Interesting how in real life he didn't press charges which illuminates the fact that it was directed in such a way that she wasn't a total callous villain, but instead a victim too. I can see why she was sentenced for the sake of the TV show - it added much needed closure for viewers!
It is one of the best short series I've seen in a long, long time and I can't recommend it to people I know enough.
Richard Gadd is a big rising star in TV if this is anything to go by both in terms of acting and behind the scenes production!
I've seen that people have looked up (& found) the real Martha.
Her character reminds me of someone who used to call a contact centre I worked in - I handled escalations and numerous times spoke to a woman who claimed she was a lawyer, her parents were lawyers etc. She would insult you on a loop, challenging your education (if you worked in a call centre this meant you didn't go to uni.....) and she also asked some bizarre questions (she once asked me if my family members were men or women, asked one at a time)
Yea her Facebook is public and she's been posting multiple times a day, I think she's even spoken to the papers about it. It seems to be getting a little messy there, Richard Gadd didn't want people looking for her or Darrien but that didn't stop them. If she'd just stayed quiet there wouldn't have been any confirmation that it was actually her, just speculation. It's a worry for both her and Richard tbh. I think he risks legal action being taken against him, especially with the person people are speculating is Darrien.
It looks like she's gone from not allowing comments on her Facebook posts to turning them on as well which is just opening up another can of worms. My worry is that she's not much further forward than she was ten years or so ago when all this was happening and she doesn't have the help and support she needs. By the sounds of it the media are taking full advantage of her identity being known now too, she's posting just as much about being hassled by the Daily Mail as she is about Richard Gadd. She is posting vile things in some parts but I do still sympathise that she's being subjected to all of this, it's got to be overwhelming for anyone. I think more could have been done to conceal her identity if Richard genuinely wanted to avoid all of this.
I was going to post a thread about this and then forgot WHAT A SHOW! It’s so difficult to make a dark comedy funny especially when dealing with sexual abuse and stalking but the show balances the serious and the comedy really well. Richard Gadd and the lady who played Martha should win big awards for this. From start to finish it had my undivided attention (a difficult thing for me
) and even after it ended I couldn’t stop thinking about it. The real-life Martha (it must be her right??) seems to be going for RG in the press and saying some truly awful things I won’t even repeat on here. I hope the fallout won’t damage the show or RG’s reputation.
I don't know if it's just my algorithm now because I've looked at so many videos about it now, but all I'm seeing on TikTok is Baby Reindeer stuff - who Darrien is, voice clips and videos of 'Martha', etc. It'll be interesting to see if people just suddenly forget about it all when something else comes along to captivate them, or if some sleuths genuinely won't give up until they've unearthed everything.
My tiktok has been the same, at least it was just after I finished it. She's still posting a hundred times a day on her Facebook though, she mentioned that she's gonna do an ITV appearance but idk I'll believe it when I see it
This is on my list to watch can't wait
Omg sounds like a car crash waiting to happen
I'm sorry but she's absolutely deranged.
I've tried to have some sort of sympathy towards her given how she was portrayed in the show, but I've come to the conclusion that it's Jessica Gunning's character and the marvellous way she portrays the character you end up feeling sorry for, more-so than Fiona herself. All of the Facebook statuses since its release, and then jumping straight into a TV interview with Piers Morgan of all people... no thanks.
Bit irresponsible of Piers but what's new? It will get big ratings and he will boast about it but that woman is severely deranged
Yea I can already tell there's going to be absolutely no tact to this and probably a lot of exploitation, I don't think she could have picked a worst person to be interviewed by. It's hard to empathise with her at all given how she's acted online since she got wind of the series, I'd hope she'd have some sort of psych evaluation before the interview, I think that would be appropriate as a duty of care. I don't believe she'll have anything more to say than what she's already posted a hundred times on her Facebook, her main goal will likely be to assassinate Richard Gadd's character rather than tell her version of the situation.
I agree it is hard to empathise with her... but I'm absolutely disgusted at Piers and his team exploiting someone like this. I definitely won't be watching or clicking on anything to do with it.
Although I bet nobody offers her a drink between takes
Honestly I can just see him now offering her a cuppa as a joke and making it into a whole bit
If Channel 5 still had Celebrity Big Brother, they’d probably sign up the real Martha to become a HM
Couldn't not watch this interview, but bloody hell, this is a tough watch. She needs help.
She's only confirming what people thought about her after finishing the series, Jessica Gunning did a fab job portraying her :')
I did think Piers was a bit abrasive with her and trying to put words in her mouth at points but she was tripping herself up anyway
Yeah it was a waste of time overall. She was always going to deny almost everything. It’s complex as the show is clearly based on truths but she was never arrested yet they had her in court getting sentenced, she’s pictures with an iPhone at the time of the stalking on twitter yet the series depicts her as not having one but pretending too. Overall it clearly added and made up stuff for certain effect. He also said they went to great lengths to hide her identity but the actress looked identical and it was easy to trace her so….clearly it’s not black and white. They have not really been honest either which raises questions because she’s no doubt deranged
It doesn't really raise any questions with me. I think it is perfectly fair that Richard Gadd gets to tell his story - and I think it's fair to change certain details as that is what would happen in most dramatisations to make a good tv show. My gut feel (and I accept that's all it is) without knowing anyone within the story is that he also has been pretty fair in his portrayal of all the characters within the show.
I haven't watched the interview with Piers but even the show itself makes it clear that 'Martha' has her own issues and may well have experienced some things in her life that has impacted the way she is - but that doesn't make her the victim in the stalking scenario and it bothers me a little bit that some people online are sort of siding with her and treating Richard Gadd as though he's a villain for making a show about his experience.
I’ve not watched the interview yet but when she reacted to the clip from Lorraine showing Richard and Jessica talking about the show with ‘she doesn’t even sound Scottish’. SCREAM !!!
my favourite bit was her saying she's been compared to Lorraine Kelly
No but I think this is just a case of her being so deep into her own delusions that she genuinely believes her own lies. I do think maybe there were some exaggerations in the show purely for the TV/Entertainment value but I don't think the story is false in general. What I will say is I am doubtful that she was ever violent and that's perhaps why the police weren't involved but then they should have put a disclaimer in the series if that was the case, the same way they did with saying she didn't do jail time. 'Donny's' back and forth with the police is a major plot point in the series as well so it does make me wonder why it was included if he didn't go down that route or if he did, why was she never charged? She doesn't seem like a nice person at all though and I can't sympathise with her, she's openly racist, homophobic, transphobic and everything in between.
I get the impression she's not in contact with her mum and sister, she clearly doesn't have the friends in high places and the lawyer boyfriend of 5 years either. She must be lonely and that's probably where this stems from but why isn't she in contact with them anymore if that's true? There's obviously a lot more to it
Oh wow that interview. The actress that played her was spot on.
It is sad she believes these delusions. Yes the show is probably exaggerated on parts but I hope she seeks help.
She must have seen the show, or at least the majority of it. The amount she's been posting on her Facebook over the last few weeks only makes the 40k+ emails more believable, she could do that amount in her sleep I'm sure
Finally watched this, I usually go through things at a snail pace, but I had major FOMO with all the discourse!
Incredible show, contender for best of the year, I've never seen a more honest portrayal of a reaction to trauma in Donnie and the profound effect of mental illness in Martha. There's so much nuance there, you can't believe what Donny went through yet you still despair at some of his choices and while Martha is certainly hateable at times, they did a fantastic job of balancing out the psychotic behaviour with that of a well-meaning, lonely old woman who just wanted the company. Incredible performance from both. A brutally honest portrayal of LGBT issues as well, Teri definitely complemented it really well.
Certainly not surprising that such a nuanced show has attracted a response that's anything but nuanced, I'm not even entertaining the idea of looking up Piers Morgan's interview. There is something so beautifully yet painfully ironic that serves as an example for the ages on the study of humanity that this is all happening about a show that shows clearly the dangers of being drawn in to unwanted attention and not acting until it's too late...they do say life imitates art!
https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/10/piers-morgans-baby-reindeer-interview-fiona-harvey-reeked-grubby-exploitation
Scathing review of the Piers Morgan interview rightfully. Also his final comment saying “it’s on us whatever bad turn this story takes next” is my thinking too. I worry the scrutiny will become too much for someone involved.
Finally gave in to my curiosity and watched that whole Fiona Harvey interview (even if it meant enduring almost an hour of Pierced Organ). Wow... I don't think I've ever seen somebody with such severe delusions of grandeur (except maybe the interviewer himself)
But 100% she is a sociopath, no doubt about it.
Also I was very much in the camp of thinking it was wrong of Pierced Organ to be exploiting her before I watched it, but she's loving every minute of this and now thinks she's famous
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