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Posted by: Mr.X 25th April 2023, 10:54 AM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Apr 25 2023, 08:17 AM) *
(Quote taken from Geri Halliwell's thread)

All of the girls could have reasonably successful careers by todays standards, they have the fans to buy into the multi-format approach for first week peak, which is clearly enough for a lot of record labels now if they don't have to invest in the making of the album. The majority of them just don't care enough to do it.


This is a good point actually! Any of them could get a Top10 based on week 1 sales of multiple formats, then go on a bit of touring circuit EASILY!

My guess is that only Mel C and Emma are willing to go that route, and even Emma wont do the summer festival-route which is just madness as she could so easily do the Prides and regional festivals like any other lesser pop act does these days...

They just don't want to because it wont bring them the money they want to 'make that kind of effort' even though Emma, Geri and Mel B have literally f*** all else going on lol... That's my honest guess on the mess that is their solo careers.

Posted by: Voodoo 25th April 2023, 11:07 AM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Apr 25 2023, 01:54 PM) *
Any of them could get a Top10 based on week 1 sales of multiple formats, then go on a bit of touring circuit EASILY!

That's simply not true. Some of the girls have a much smaller fanbase than the others.

Posted by: spiceboy 25th April 2023, 02:10 PM

QUOTE(Voodoo @ Apr 25 2023, 12:07 PM) *
That's simply not true. Some of the girls have a much smaller fanbase than the others.



All of the girls could do top 20 easily, most top 10 on good weeks.

Posted by: -Jay- 25th April 2023, 02:19 PM

Mark Owen managed a #5 album last year! And just like Mel B, an album he released in 2005 missed the Top 200 altogether. So, pick a good week & throw a lot of formats at us, and solo Spices would surely chart nicely. cool2.gif

Posted by: Babyboy 25th April 2023, 04:56 PM

I think music was a way for her to be famous. Music wise she is not an artist as Melanie C.

Posted by: spiceboy 25th April 2023, 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Babyboy @ Apr 25 2023, 05:56 PM) *
I think music was a way for her to be famous. Music wise she is not an artist as Melanie C.


None of the others are, they all just wanted to be famous.

Posted by: Mr.X 25th April 2023, 05:50 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Apr 25 2023, 06:11 PM) *
None of the others are, they all just wanted to be famous.


Emma continues to make music and touring, even if not as focused as Mel C. I do think that them being seen as 'flops' so hard by the press back in the 90s/00s (whereas other music acts were labelled as a success even if they failed to reach the Top20) did make a huge impact in thier confidence.

Please remember they weren't just labelled as flops.. they were RIDICULED in the national press for not reaching #1 with every single release. It was so stupid and horrible...

Put it this way: in 1999/2000 the girls were achiving Top10s left right and centre, selling upwards of 200k with singles, and YET they were seen as total flops. Even with album sales, like, Free Me/Scream/Reason were labelled as flops even though they all sold upwards of 100k and with 30k first week sales, whereas most acts 'successful' acts woudl KILL for those numbers...

The fact they were trashed and ridiculed probably paid into this fear of 'flopping' from them that lasts still today.

Posted by: tommie 25th April 2023, 06:16 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Apr 25 2023, 05:11 PM) *
None of the others are, they all just wanted to be famous.


What? I don't think they "just wanted to be famous" - they all ultimately worked very hard as a group to get success as the Spice Girls. It's more that most of them don't want to work for very little return.

I mean, Siobhan Donaghy quit music after Ghosts bombed and only returned once she could with Sugababes - does that mean she had no passion for her music career at all and all she wanted was some quick fame? Authors that stop writing books because they can't find publishers, are they just secret undercover fame whores who don't care about creating things? Painters who quit because nobody is interested?

Most of all, are you claiming Rachel Lester quit shopping her cassettes all around town because she was only interested in fame?



(ok ignore that last one)

Posted by: Jessie Where 25th April 2023, 06:27 PM

Was Free Me really branded a flop?

I always thought that bucked the trend of being (perceived as) a more successful era than her debut, and although not a blockbuster but still quite a success in 2003/2004 solo spice terms?

Posted by: tommie 25th April 2023, 06:29 PM

QUOTE(Jessie Where @ Apr 25 2023, 06:27 PM) *
Was Free Me really branded a flop?

I always thought that bucked the trend of being (perceived as) a more successful era than her debut, and although not a blockbuster but still quite a success in 2003/2004 solo spice terms?


Free Me wasn't labelled as a flop no; mind you it wasn't labelled as a huge success either. I think it was more like Dannii's Neon Nights if you want a relevant comparison (ie it did ok, all singles were supported by radio, no one died during the making of it etc).

Scream and Reason were because they were obviously huge step downs from their previous eras.

Posted by: Mr.X 25th April 2023, 06:51 PM

QUOTE(Jessie Where @ Apr 25 2023, 07:27 PM) *
Was Free Me really branded a flop?

I always thought that bucked the trend of being (perceived as) a more successful era than her debut, and although not a blockbuster but still quite a success in 2003/2004 solo spice terms?


OK well yes, it was seen as a step up for sure, but it certainly didn't give her huge praise either and it was certainly not labelled as a 'success' in the press/public's eyes. Like, yes of course in solo spice terms it was, but outside of that, not really.... dry.gif

Posted by: spiceboy 25th April 2023, 08:47 PM

QUOTE(Jessie Where @ Apr 25 2023, 07:27 PM) *
Was Free Me really branded a flop?

I always thought that bucked the trend of being (perceived as) a more successful era than her debut, and although not a blockbuster but still quite a success in 2003/2004 solo spice terms?



It wasn't branded a flop, but in reality it sold 10k less than Scream and 30k more than Reason which were of course both branded as flops... but that just goes to show the unrealistic expectations put on the girls.


Maybe I am being a bit harsh on the girls with the only wanting to be famous, Emma and Mel B have continued to perform in other ways since either through music, shows or theatre (even Strictly is performing).

Geri and Victoria were both in it to be famous though, Geri blatantly says in her book that fame was her way out, she thought if she were famous she would be happy forever. Victoria said when asked what she wanted to achieve was "to be more famous than Persil Automatic" lol laugh.gif

Posted by: tommie 25th April 2023, 08:54 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Apr 25 2023, 08:47 PM) *
Geri and Victoria were both in it to be famous though, Geri blatantly says in her book that fame was her way out, she thought if she were famous she would be happy forever. Victoria said when asked what she wanted to achieve was "to be more famous than Persil Automatic" lol laugh.gif


But does that mean that they only did music for "fame"? I think you're thinking about it in a very simplistic way and don't understand how much rejection can hurt someone's soul; my sweet Gerita only quit because you all bast*rds stopped buying her music. She didn't want to put her pure and sweet soul into music that nobody enjoyed. It doesn't mean Gerita isn't creatively amazing and will at some point bless us all with more music; it's just that the moment isn't now.

Posted by: spiceboy 25th April 2023, 08:59 PM

QUOTE(tommie @ Apr 25 2023, 09:54 PM) *
But does that mean that they only did music for "fame"? I think you're thinking about it in a very simplistic way and don't understand how much rejection can hurt someone's soul; my sweet Gerita only quit because you all bast*rds stopped buying her music. She didn't want to put her pure and sweet soul into music that nobody enjoyed. It doesn't mean Gerita isn't creatively amazing and will at some point bless us all with more music; it's just that the moment isn't now.



Geri didn't try music until she auditioned for the Spice Girls, before that she tried to become famous by being a game show host, an actress, a topless model... She was in it to be famous however she could achieve it. Doesn't take away from her achievements and I think she is quite creative but it was with the intention of being famous.

Victoria to give her credit at least came from performing and was in theatre and another band before the Spice Girls.

Posted by: tommie 25th April 2023, 09:16 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Apr 25 2023, 08:59 PM) *
Geri didn't try music until she auditioned for the Spice Girls, before that she tried to become famous by being a game show host, an actress, a topless model... She was in it to be famous however she could achieve it. Doesn't take away from her achievements and I think she is quite creative but it was with the intention of being famous.

Victoria to give her credit at least came from performing and was in theatre and another band before the Spice Girls.


Yet Gerita wrote Viva Forever. Does anyone who doesn't care about music write that?

Posted by: Blond 2.0 27th April 2023, 12:50 AM

They all loved making music but the passionate one still is Melanie C

Posted by: tommie 27th April 2023, 04:38 AM

QUOTE(Blond 2.0 @ Apr 27 2023, 12:50 AM) *
They all loved making music but the passionate one still is Melanie C


Lies "Passion" only in making music that no one is listening to?

Posted by: -Jay- 27th April 2023, 05:36 AM

Sometimes I find that the General Discussion threads for each girl easily veer off topic and it grows into discussions about all of them, usually in relation to how they all did commercially. So I've moved some of the posts out of Geri's thread. Maybe this thread will give us all a place to talk about anything and everything to do with their music solo careers - specifically Mel B, Victoria, Geri and Emma who are essentially inactive as solo artists, though I'm sure Melanie C's oldest albums can be thrown into the mix too.

*Now that I've done this, the discussion will die and create a tumbleweed situation x*

Posted by: tommie 27th April 2023, 07:27 AM

God dammit Jay, I was like, "I haven't posted in that thread", but suddenly I have.

You need Jesus.

Posted by: -Jay- 27th April 2023, 07:37 AM

teresa.gif I don't need Jesus, I'm Jaysus!

Posted by: tommie 27th April 2023, 07:47 AM

Gerita is the thing of solo discussions, unlike Jesy "Bad Thing" Nelson.

Spice Girls set the print, will other girl groups follow it?

Stay tuned!!!

Posted by: spiceboy 27th April 2023, 08:55 AM

That is the thing to remember, how many other girl groups have had all members achieve some real solo success? The girls don't get the credit for what the achieved on their own really. Yes none of them went on to be Beyonce or Diana Ross, but then that is an anomaly. Every single one of them achieved multiple top 10 singles, all of them certified a solo single silver or above, all but one had a solo #1 and all but one had a solo top 10 album.

The only downside is that they never had any real American success bar a few singles charting on the dance chart and I turn to you getting a grammy nod for a remix but that was for Hex Hector. They missed some real opportunities in the USA due to Virgin really.

When you're gone - would have been a great introduction to Melanie C as a solo artist and would fit very well on soft rock radio.
I want you back - a huge missed opportunity due to Missy Elliot tag, would have been the best solo introduction for any of the girls over there really.

Both of the above were because Virgin were apparently really awkward with allowing them to be released over there so they weren't...

Never be the same again with Lisa Left Eye and that RnB sound would have fit perfectly on radio and they never bothered to capitalise on I turn to you going to #1 on the dance charts and picking up airplay.

Hot... was clearly more geared towards the US market, and while I don't think it would have done much, it's a shame they never even bothered to try.

What took you so long... I actually think it could have been a decent radio hit, it has the country guitar sound that is very popular on certain radio stations over there.

Posted by: spiceboy 7th June 2023, 08:31 PM

Geri and Melanie C's first albums made me really excited for solo Spice at the time, both were solid debuts. None of the other three had debut albums anywhere near as strong.

Posted by: Sacred3 31st July 2023, 10:45 PM

There is no appetite for Mel B music and her voice is not like it used to be sadly.

I say keep pushing the girls to do a new spice album.

Posted by: spiceboy 1st August 2023, 10:12 AM

QUOTE(Sacred3 @ Jul 31 2023, 11:45 PM) *
There is no appetite for Mel B music and her voice is not like it used to be sadly.

I say keep pushing the girls to do a new spice album.


You can say that about any legacy act though. I’m sure Mel B could have a small career ala Louise, Melanie C, even Sugababes where there is no chance of an actual hit single but a first week top 20 album is doable alongside performing at some small venues and places like Mighty Hoopla. All of the girls could have those careers off the back of the band alone.

Posted by: Mr.X 1st August 2023, 11:08 AM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 1 2023, 11:12 AM) *
You can say that about any legacy act though. I’m sure Mel B could have a small career ala Louise, Melanie C, even Sugababes where there is no chance of an actual hit single but a first week top 20 album is doable alongside performing at some small venues and places like Mighty Hoopla. All of the girls could have those careers off the back of the band alone.


This is very true, and it is why I dont care about them as solo artists anymore.

Posted by: -Jay- 1st August 2023, 04:18 PM

I wonder if the thought of it hasn't even crossed Mel's mind? Maybe her mindset is still back in how the industry was in the early 2000s... and she doesn't have the concept of how it's relatively easier nowadays to have a high charting album with lots of formats, with probably 10% of the effort that was required back in the day.

I agree that events such as Mighty Hoopla would be great for her too (and Emma... and Geri...) if they actually really wanted to relive their solo glory days, but apparently none of them particularly do.

Posted by: Mr.X 1st August 2023, 04:32 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Aug 1 2023, 05:18 PM) *
I wonder if the thought of it hasn't even crossed Mel's mind? Maybe her mindset is still back in how the industry was in the early 2000s... and she doesn't have the concept of how it's relatively easier nowadays to have a high charting album with lots of formats, with probably 10% of the effort that was required back in the day.

I agree that events such as Mighty Hoopla would be great for her too (and Emma... and Geri...) if they actually really wanted to relive their solo glory days, but apparently none of them particularly do.


I think they all struggle with understanding it because they are not really part of the industry. Even Emma is more a celebrity who occasionally does music, than a pop act. If she changed her team to be more on the vein of Mel C's, she would understand more of how the music industry works nowadays.

But none of them care enough. That is literally the problem. When promoting My Happy Place, Emma was asked about a tour on one of those fan Q&As she did on instagram, and she said shyly how she was up for it but only if it didnt take too much work... That's her vibe and you could see the lack of effort in her Christmas live shows since...

Mel B talked briefly after the 2019 tour about solo music and also about recording with the girls again. But again, they don't care enough to go through it.

Posted by: dancinqueen 1st August 2023, 07:55 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 1 2023, 10:12 AM) *
You can say that about any legacy act though. I’m sure Mel B could have a small career ala Louise, Melanie C, even Sugababes where there is no chance of an actual hit single but a first week top 20 album is doable alongside performing at some small venues and places like Mighty Hoopla. All of the girls could have those careers off the back of the band alone.


No way. Love Mel B - but she’s no nowhere near the ones above (unfortunately).
Only Victoria could (I know it sounds fun, but she has a big name that could help her).

Posted by: spiceboy 1st August 2023, 08:03 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 1 2023, 05:32 PM) *
I think they all struggle with understanding it because they are not really part of the industry. Even Emma is more a celebrity who occasionally does music, than a pop act. If she changed her team to be more on the vein of Mel C's, she would understand more of how the music industry works nowadays.

But none of them care enough. That is literally the problem. When promoting My Happy Place, Emma was asked about a tour on one of those fan Q&As she did on instagram, and she said shyly how she was up for it but only if it didnt take too much work... That's her vibe and you could see the lack of effort in her Christmas live shows since...

Mel B talked briefly after the 2019 tour about solo music and also about recording with the girls again. But again, they don't care enough to go through it.



By none of them you mean 4 of them... Melanie C is relentless in her music, touring, festivals and now even DJing.

I think Geri would have been doing Mighty Hoopla if she still had her 'showgirl' persona, it wasn't really a thing when she was still in that zone.

Posted by: Sacred3 1st August 2023, 10:41 PM

None of the girls are really known as solo singers....apart from the hardcore fans. It won't ever work doing solo stuff for any of them. It only just seems to be working for Mel c, but she has been consistent.

Posted by: -Jay- 1st August 2023, 11:10 PM

I don’t think that’s true because apart from Melanie C and Emma, they’ve not actually tried releasing music in this day and age. With the support of hardcore fans buying multi formats, some Radio 2 support for a single, and some morning TV appearances, that is really all that’s required. I don’t think any pop festival or pride would turn them down either.

In theory it could work if it’s what they wanted to do. But either they don’t have the drive to do it or the awareness of what is possible these days.

Louise was away from music for 16 years and arguably the public wouldn’t necessarily have associated her as being a solo singer first and foremost anymore. But it’s something she wanted to do, she’s got two more Top 20 albums and has opportunities to perform live. It might not earn millions but it seems fulfilling to Louise. I wish any of the girls (other than Melanie C) felt the same!

Posted by: dancinqueen 2nd August 2023, 09:07 AM

QUOTE(Sacred3 @ Aug 1 2023, 10:41 PM) *
None of the girls are really known as solo singers....apart from the hardcore fans. It won't ever work doing solo stuff for any of them. It only just seems to be working for Mel c, but she has been consistent.


Yep, but she takes it seriously. She sings live, she tours, she DJs, accepts project related to music (Jesus Christ Superstar), she collaborates with other artists (Lisa Left Eye, Bryan Adams, Jessie J, Tove Lo..).

The others didn’t care. They were young and thought that making solo music was just like in the Spice Girls minus the crazy schedules. And that’s why they stopped: lack of passion and commitment.

Geri stopped being successful basically because of that. When she couldn’t rely any more on the gimmicks and stunts (Chris Evans says Hi), and she had to prove the she could tour, that’s when it all stopped, way before Passion.

Emma had potential. It’s a pity she didn’t bother investing on live credibility when her second album was doing well. She can sing, she’s got the look, she’s not stiff as other pop stars when it comes to dancing, pity.

Victoria and Mel B are the best ones to explain what I’m saying: they care(d) about success, money, and wealth. But I’ve never seen real passion there. Pity, Victoria has a pleasant voice and Mel B is THE DANCER.

Posted by: Blond 2.0 2nd August 2023, 05:20 PM

No one will ever be like Mel C and Geri again from the other girl groups maybe Cheryl was the last successful one the impact that Geri and Mel C had is deniable

Posted by: dancinqueen 2nd August 2023, 05:53 PM

QUOTE(Blond 2.0 @ Aug 2 2023, 05:20 PM) *
No one will ever be like Mel C and Geri again from the other girl groups maybe Cheryl was the last successful one the impact that Geri and Mel C had is deniable


I remember thinking Emma was the one going to be the solo star. At the end of the day, you don’t find another girl group where all members have had #1s, top10 albums, several top10 singles, and decent sales all over Europe. We should stop judging the girls solo efforts by the group standards.

Posted by: Mr.X 2nd August 2023, 05:55 PM

QUOTE(Blond 2.0 @ Aug 2 2023, 06:20 PM) *
No one will ever be like Mel C and Geri again from the other girl groups maybe Cheryl was the last successful one the impact that Geri and Mel C had is deniable


This is not fair. Geri and Mel C clearly had success back in 1999/2000 but it didnt really go beyond that and they are not the first to go solo after group's success. There were many more examples of this prior to them and since which lasted for much longer with much bigger success, from Diana Ross, to Paul MacCatney and Beyonce. Also, Cheryl was only ever successful in the UK.

Posted by: Voodoo 2nd August 2023, 06:20 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 2 2023, 08:55 PM) *
This is not fair. Geri and Mel C clearly had success back in 1999/2000 but it didnt really go beyond that and they are not the first to go solo after group's success. There were many more examples of this prior to them and since which lasted for much longer with much bigger success, from Diana Ross, to Paul MacCatney and Beyonce. Also, Cheryl was only ever successful in the UK.

Melanie's success in continental Europe continued into the noughties.

Even nowadays, almost 25 years into her solo career, I don't think there's an active British former girl group member who is more in demand than her.

Posted by: sammy01 2nd August 2023, 08:03 PM

They all had varrying degrees of success with solo music but to me these days it is all a load of pish apart from the new music Melanie C (and Emma) release.

Dj sets or Carfest/random festival are as boring as Kit and Kin or selling nappies to me.

I'll always give new music a listen and support it, it is probably the only thing Geri could do I would invest time or money in same with Mel B. Obviously it is nice to see them happy with whatever they all choose to do and earning money but I'm not going to fool myself into thinking anything they do these days solo wise isn't just D list stuff that Lisa Scott Lee or some random reality star is doing.

Posted by: spiceboy 2nd August 2023, 08:52 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 2 2023, 06:55 PM) *
This is not fair. Geri and Mel C clearly had success back in 1999/2000 but it didnt really go beyond that and they are not the first to go solo after group's success. There were many more examples of this prior to them and since which lasted for much longer with much bigger success, from Diana Ross, to Paul MacCatney and Beyonce. Also, Cheryl was only ever successful in the UK.


That's also unfair, Melanie C, Geri and Emma continued to have top 10 singles and albums which went Gold into the later mid 2000s decade too. Melanie was also achieving hits and some decent album sales in Europe at this point too.

Yes there have been other solo girlband members who have had greater and more long lasting success (not sure why Paul McCartney came into it lol) but that doesn't take away from what the girls did achieve solo wise. I mean no other British girlband has been featured solo on 32 top 10 singles?

Pop acts very very rarely last longer than a 5 year mark, the consumer public constantly moves on, the ones that manage to push past to those 10-20-30 years of massive success are truly exceptions to the rule, rather than the rule.

That being said, ALL the girls could be doing what acts like Melanie C, Natalie Imbruglia, Louise, Gabrielle etc etc do, releasing albums under multiple variants for the first week high, performing at festivals and prides and investing in keeping a singing career going on a small scale.

Posted by: Voodoo 2nd August 2023, 10:15 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 2 2023, 11:52 PM) *
That being said, ALL the girls could be doing what acts like Melanie C, Natalie Imbruglia, Louise, Gabrielle etc etc do, releasing albums under multiple variants for the first week high, performing at festivals and prides and investing in keeping a singing career going on a small scale.

I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree.

Melanie, Natalie and Gabrielle have all experienced massive success in the past. They've all sold millions of records as solo artists. They have all released Platinum-certified albums. Each of them has several hits that everyone knows and remembers.

They even had international success in their glory days. Arguably, they are somewhat "respected" in the music industry.

Mel B couldn't land a Top 10/15 album. She doesn't have the fanbase that Melanie and Emma have. That's the reason why LASOM failed to chart. We also know that her Spice individual vinyl was the least popular. So even if she produced 27 variants it wouldn't matter.

Secondly, she couldn't do the festivals that Melanie does. She doesn't have the back catalogue of hits + live credibility that Melanie has. Heck, she doesn't even sing live! Could you see her being invited to play Glasto?

A one time Mighty Hoopla mini-set (a la Lisa Scott Lee) is a different thing. That she could do. But that's it.

Posted by: dancinqueen 3rd August 2023, 11:30 AM

QUOTE(Voodoo @ Aug 2 2023, 10:15 PM) *
I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree.

Melanie, Natalie and Gabrielle have all experienced massive success in the past. They've all sold millions of records as solo artists. They have all released Platinum-certified albums. Each of them has several hits that everyone knows and remembers.

They even had international success in their glory days. Arguably, they are somewhat "respected" in the music industry.

Mel B couldn't land a Top 10/15 album. She doesn't have the fanbase that Melanie and Emma have. That's the reason why LASOM failed to chart. We also know that her Spice individual vinyl was the least popular. So even if she produced 27 variants it wouldn't matter.

Secondly, she couldn't do the festivals that Melanie does. She doesn't have the back catalogue of hits + live credibility that Melanie has. Heck, she doesn't even sing live! Could you see her being invited to play Glasto?

A one time Mighty Hoopla mini-set (a la Lisa Scott Lee) is a different thing. That she could do. But that's it.


This. Perfectly put.

Posted by: Mr.X 3rd August 2023, 01:32 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 2 2023, 09:52 PM) *
That's also unfair, Melanie C, Geri and Emma continued to have top 10 singles and albums which went Gold into the later mid 2000s decade too. Melanie was also achieving hits and some decent album sales in Europe at this point too.

Yes there have been other solo girlband members who have had greater and more long lasting success (not sure why Paul McCartney came into it lol) but that doesn't take away from what the girls did achieve solo wise. I mean no other British girlband has been featured solo on 32 top 10 singles?

Pop acts very very rarely last longer than a 5 year mark, the consumer public constantly moves on, the ones that manage to push past to those 10-20-30 years of massive success are truly exceptions to the rule, rather than the rule.

That being said, ALL the girls could be doing what acts like Melanie C, Natalie Imbruglia, Louise, Gabrielle etc etc do, releasing albums under multiple variants for the first week high, performing at festivals and prides and investing in keeping a singing career going on a small scale.


Thats all very fair but I was responding to the comment saying that "No one will ever be like Mel C and Geri again from the other girl groups maybe Cheryl was the last successful one the impact that Geri and Mel C had is deniable " which is franky an exageration and not true at all lol

I wasnt trying to dimish their achivements but fankly lets not say that they had any impact as solo members of girlbands... it's literally always been done and they did nothing new here.

I swear people do too much with their favourite's solo careers. It is ok to admit it has all been mostly pish quality-wise and success wise. Mel C doing an afternoon slot at some random festivals across the UK isn't a show of success. As it has been said here, most all of them would have been able to do that if they wanted, for years now. It shows she and her team are keeping busy and thats great!

And lets not talk about the quality of the music coming from any of them over the past 25 years, cos damn...

Posted by: dancinqueen 3rd August 2023, 02:35 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 3 2023, 01:32 PM) *
Mel C doing an afternoon slot at some random festivals across the UK isn't a show of success.


Then what it is? She’s been in the industry for almost 30 years. She’s part of the biggest girlband ever.
Also, I suggest you check all her recent appearances. You’d be surprise. The audience was huge and enjoyed her. Audiences are quick to boo someone if they can’t sing, they’re stiff or boring AF.

Posted by: spiceboy 3rd August 2023, 02:39 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 3 2023, 02:32 PM) *
Thats all very fair but I was responding to the comment saying that "No one will ever be like Mel C and Geri again from the other girl groups maybe Cheryl was the last successful one the impact that Geri and Mel C had is deniable " which is franky an exageration and not true at all lol

I wasnt trying to dimish their achivements but fankly lets not say that they had any impact as solo members of girlbands... it's literally always been done and they did nothing new here.



To be fair the post isn't exactly inaccurate.

Beyonce is a total exception to the rule as she is a total icon even bigger than even Spice Girls as a group themselves. Otherwise I cannot think of another girlband solo member who has had success on that level from the same era as the girls or after them, and certainly coming after them apart from Cheryl Cole who gave it a good run for a few albums but has also experienced the downturn in success. Little Mix has yet to prove any of them can do it but both Jesy and Leigh-Ann haven't exactly made an impact yet. None of Girls Aloud bar Cheryl had any real success, none of Sugababes apart from perhaps Mutya with minimal, Atomic Kitten, The Saturdays, All Saints, B*Witched, TLC, En Vogue...

In fact no other girlband in history has had all members of the group achieve top 2 singles, they may have struggled to keep the success going (as with 99% of pop acts out there) however they certainly did better as a collective than any other girl group has done (in the UK at least).

The one point I will make is that Cheryl was more successful than any of Spice Girls were solo wise, in terms of record sales, touring and impact for sure.

Posted by: Mr.X 3rd August 2023, 02:57 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 3 2023, 03:39 PM) *
To be fair the post isn't exactly inaccurate.

Beyonce is a total exception to the rule as she is a total icon even bigger than even Spice Girls as a group themselves. Otherwise I cannot think of another girlband solo member who has had success on that level from the same era as the girls or after them, and certainly coming after them apart from Cheryl Cole who gave it a good run for a few albums but has also experienced the downturn in success. Little Mix has yet to prove any of them can do it but both Jesy and Leigh-Ann haven't exactly made an impact yet. None of Girls Aloud bar Cheryl had any real success, none of Sugababes apart from perhaps Mutya with minimal, Atomic Kitten, The Saturdays, All Saints, B*Witched, TLC, En Vogue...

In fact no other girlband in history has had all members of the group achieve top 2 singles, they may have struggled to keep the success going (as with 99% of pop acts out there) however they certainly did better as a collective than any other girl group has done (in the UK at least).

The one point I will make is that Cheryl was more successful than any of Spice Girls were solo wise, in terms of record sales, touring and impact for sure.


Diana Ross says hi, for example. Camilla Cabello also, just to talk about the most apparent outside of Beyonce or Kelly Rowland. There have been plenty of girlband members doing success outside of their group across Europe and Asia too, for instance. Again, Cheryl's success eclipsed Mels and Geri's IN THE UK only. OUtside of the UK she is a nobody. The UK isnt the world.

ANYWAY the point of all of this is that the solo Spices should quit their crap solo careers and focus on the group. Anything else is f***ing pointless and boring as we have been these last 25 f***ing years.

Posted by: -Jay- 3rd August 2023, 04:08 PM

Cheryl had some fleeting success outside of the UK/Ireland actually. Top 10s:

Fight for this Love
#1 - Denmark, Norway, Poland
#2 - Netherlands, Sweden
#3 - Switzerland
#4 - Austria, Germany, Hungary
#5 - Italy
#7 - Belgium Wallonia, France

3 Words (single)
#5 - Australia, Hungary
#7 - Italy

Call My Name
#2 - Netherlands


Also the Spice Girls’ main solo success was very UK centric so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to compare them against their UK counterparts and point out that Cheryl reached higher heights than any of them. A #1 debut solo single and #1 debut album that both sold over a million in pure sales (before even taking into account streaming). An achievement! She even did a solo arena tour.

Spice Girls solo UK specific achievements are impressive, all 5 of them individually have something to be proud of. What they did achieve by themselves isn’t really celebrated much (outside of occasional OfficialCharts articles).

Also I really don’t think it’s fair at this stage to underplay Melanie C’s career. The very fact she’s still out there doing what she’s doing is a show of success! Clearly it’s far from Beyoncé. But Melanie’s career is in a very good spot after 25 years. Generally speaking all of them are fortunate to all still be generally well known individually, even if it’s not for music solo careers. There’s many groups with members who are pretty anonymous even in terms of being in a group, let alone away from it.

Circling back to the point that Mel B apparently can’t get a Top 10/15 album, I’d have to say never say never. I mean, she’ll probably never try, but I just think of Mark Owen from Take That. His solo hits are few and far between. His solo albums bombed. He even missed the Top 200 altogether in 2005, just like Mel B. Yet last year he managed a #5 album, that was his first Top 20 album.

Posted by: sammy01 3rd August 2023, 08:24 PM

The album chart is in a way now that multi formatting will almost ensure any act a decent or high 1st week position. Mel C didn't suddenly become way more popular releasing Melanie C just her fans purchased 5 or 6 copies not the normal 1 or 2 1st week. It still bombed out the chart 2nd week.

Same with Emma, LIM sold a lot more 1st week than MHP but that was a much healthier time for album sales and she was much more popular in 2006 than 2019. It is just in 2019 the albums market is dead and she has enough loyal fans to buy 4 copies of her album to get a decent chart placing.

If Mel B released an album this year with 3 vinyls, 2 cds and 2 cassettes plus downloads and streaming there is no way she would miss the top 20.

Posted by: spiceboy 3rd August 2023, 08:31 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 3 2023, 03:57 PM) *
Diana Ross says hi, for example. Camilla Cabello also, just to talk about the most apparent outside of Beyonce or Kelly Rowland. There have been plenty of girlband members doing success outside of their group across Europe and Asia too, for instance. Again, Cheryl's success eclipsed Mels and Geri's IN THE UK only. OUtside of the UK she is a nobody. The UK isnt the world.

ANYWAY the point of all of this is that the solo Spices should quit their crap solo careers and focus on the group. Anything else is f***ing pointless and boring as we have been these last 25 f***ing years.



Camilla Cabello is a good example, I forgot about her. Diana Ross did not begin in their era by a long stretch though my dear, she is the original Beyonce from 30 years prior. I would also argue Belinda Carlisle from girl bands prior to the 90's/00's decade.

Posted by: Voodoo 4th August 2023, 09:05 PM

Camila, Beyonce and Diana are all American singers. Historically, American artists have been more successful at developing & sustaining a career, since it's easier for them to crack America & cross over internationally. In addition, American record labels have more clout, budget and resources. It's easier for an American artist to crack the UK than it is for a British artist to crack America.

Regarding Cheryl, despite Fight for This Love being a European hit, its parent album only sold enough to be certified in the UK & Ireland only.

Posted by: Blond 2.0 6th August 2023, 11:31 PM

It's not that easy for them to set together and make a new album they're living far apart and Mel C is always touring here and there with her solo stuff or as a DJ and Geri is busy now with the new book unlike steps and sugababes

Posted by: dancinqueen 7th August 2023, 09:54 AM

QUOTE(Blond 2.0 @ Aug 6 2023, 11:31 PM) *
It's not that easy for them to set together and make a new album they're living far apart and Mel C is always touring here and there with her solo stuff or as a DJ and Geri is busy now with the new book unlike steps and sugababes


There’s no plan whatsoever. It’s done. Sign my words: there’s going to be a final project with all 5 involved and then goodbye forever, which makes sense. Each one has different interests (thank God, as they’re individuals just like us).

Melanie C music, Geri books and philanthropy, Victoria fashion, and so forth.

Posted by: Mr.X 7th August 2023, 10:14 AM

QUOTE(Blond 2.0 @ Aug 7 2023, 12:31 AM) *
It's not that easy for them to set together and make a new album they're living far apart and Mel C is always touring here and there with her solo stuff or as a DJ and Geri is busy now with the new book unlike steps and sugababes


and this is why I dont care for their crap solo projects dry.gif good for them I guess, but what a sad state of affairs we find them in...

Posted by: dancinqueen 7th August 2023, 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 7 2023, 10:14 AM) *
and this is why I dont care for their crap solo projects dry.gif good for them I guess, but what a sad state of affairs we find them in...


Crap in your opinion. What if that’s what they want. Melanie C was entertaining the Pride people the other day jumping like crazy, with such energy, singing and owning the stage, like ONLY Mel B - maybe - could do. Why are they supposed to go on tour or release new music again if not all 5 feel the same? Or you want another Geri and Emma sipping tea and barely moving while the other two bring the house down? Not a diss to Emma, nor Geri. Actually, what I’m trying to say is that diapers, books, and DJ sets can still be something to be proud of when you’re doing it on your own and not sharing the spotlight with other 4 individuals. But hey, we’re never pleased with what women do..

Posted by: Mr.X 8th August 2023, 10:56 AM

QUOTE(dancinqueen @ Aug 7 2023, 05:18 PM) *
Crap in your opinion. What if that’s what they want. Melanie C was entertaining the Pride people the other day jumping like crazy, with such energy, singing and owning the stage, like ONLY Mel B - maybe - could do. Why are they supposed to go on tour or release new music again if not all 5 feel the same? Or you want another Geri and Emma sipping tea and barely moving while the other two bring the house down? Not a diss to Emma, nor Geri. Actually, what I’m trying to say is that diapers, books, and DJ sets can still be something to be proud of when you’re doing it on your own and not sharing the spotlight with other 4 individuals. But hey, we’re never pleased with what women do..


LOL always this argument. I am not forced to enjoy their solo ventures, specially when I find them so middle of the road to crap. They are of course free to do whatever the hell they want to. As a fan of them as a group, I wish they would focus more on the group instead of solo careers. Solo careers that all seem completely meandering and pointless after 25 years of crap - and yes this is my opinion again.

Posted by: dancinqueen 8th August 2023, 12:38 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 8 2023, 10:56 AM) *
LOL always this argument. I am not forced to enjoy their solo ventures, specially when I find them so middle of the road to crap. They are of course free to do whatever the hell they want to. As a fan of them as a group, I wish they would focus more on the group instead of solo careers. Solo careers that all seem completely meandering and pointless after 25 years of crap - and yes this is my opinion again.


There is no (recording) group. There hasn’t been one since 2007. On the other hand, there are 5 Women who work their ass off doing what they like, and those Women (minus 1) they even found the time to go on tour before Covid happened. If they’re not keen on going on tour now is maybe because out of 5, only 2/3 are fully available. And no, I don’t think their small (but still respectable) solo projects are the reason why they’re not doing it.

Posted by: Mr.X 8th August 2023, 04:49 PM

And who said otherwise?... lol

They do work hard on their solo work. I could't care less, as it is all crap imo.

Posted by: Sacred3 8th August 2023, 10:35 PM

I agree their solo stuff is bleak!

Posted by: Blond 2.0 9th August 2023, 01:16 AM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 7 2023, 10:14 AM) *
and this is why I dont care for their crap solo projects dry.gif good for them I guess, but what a sad state of affairs we find them in...

You're not the only one some fans I know they don't care either LOL

Posted by: Blond 2.0 9th August 2023, 01:18 AM

I'm just glad that Melanie C is still something music related

Posted by: sammy01 9th August 2023, 07:23 PM

Their solo careers are rubbish. If it wasn't Melanie C or Emma or Geri would anyone really care about these projects?

You can big up Brighton pride or kids books or all Emma's projects but if any of it was by Claire Richards or Louise I wouldn't care at all because it is all so blah.

The only interesting thing about their solo careers is they are former Spice Girls and the 10 year old me wants them to be happy and keep track of them. But as for the actual projects it is a hard no to pretty much all of it (bar new music).

Posted by: Voodoo 9th August 2023, 07:33 PM

QUOTE(sammy01 @ Aug 9 2023, 10:23 PM) *
If it wasn't Melanie C or Emma or Geri would anyone really care about these projects?

What kind of argument is this? Obviously people care about their faves. Music fandom is subjective. thinking.gif

Oh, and if it's so "crap"/"rubbish" then why you and Mr. X keep banging on about how you want Emma to do the festival circuit & prides? cool2.gif

Posted by: spiceboy 9th August 2023, 07:39 PM

I don’t think there is anything meh about performing at Brighton pride, I mean Kylie and Britney have performed there and you can’t really get much bigger than them. Anything performance related is brilliant, Emma’s Xmas tour and Royal Albert Hall, Melanie C performing at all these festivals and prides, the world tour of prides with Sink the pink… that is what we ask for from the girls music and performing.

What is frustrating is that they could all be doing prides and mighty hooplas easily, but they just don’t want to put in the hard graft for a music career bar Melanie C who will perform in every bar, club, festival, concert whatever to continue with music.

Posted by: Mr.X 9th August 2023, 08:16 PM

QUOTE(Voodoo @ Aug 9 2023, 08:33 PM) *
What kind of argument is this? Obviously people care about their faves. Music fandom is subjective. thinking.gif

Oh, and if it's so "crap"/"rubbish" then why you and Mr. X keep banging on about how you want Emma to do the festival circuit & prides? cool2.gif


Because at least it would be something which is the opposite of nothing at all, which is what we currently have blink.gif And again, I am not saying this with the utmost excitement as I know it would be again a middle of the road affair.

Doing the Pride and summer festival circuits is the very bare minimum they could easily do, which wouldnt cost them a fortune or demand them to have their own audience.

Posted by: sammy01 9th August 2023, 09:19 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 9 2023, 08:39 PM) *
I don’t think there is anything meh about performing at Brighton pride, I mean Kylie and Britney have performed there and you can’t really get much bigger than them. Anything performance related is brilliant, Emma’s Xmas tour and Royal Albert Hall, Melanie C performing at all these festivals and prides, the world tour of prides with Sink the pink… that is what we ask for from the girls music and performing.

What is frustrating is that they could all be doing prides and mighty hooplas easily, but they just don’t want to put in the hard graft for a music career bar Melanie C who will perform in every bar, club, festival, concert whatever to continue with music.


She wasn't the main headliner more a warm up act. Tickets for Brighton pride were being discounted to get rid too.

It pales massively when you think 4 years ago they were selling out Wembley stadium 3 times over. Melanie C played that Wimbledon gig to a nearly empty field just a few days ago. For every pride there is still a DJ set or a festival that is absolute trash.

It is like settling for mouldy bread when you can have cheesecake and thinking the bread is amazing.

I love Emma but boring covers, Christmas gigs, nappies, lord give me strength.

Posted by: Voodoo 9th August 2023, 10:58 PM

QUOTE(sammy01 @ Aug 10 2023, 12:19 AM) *
She wasn't the main headliner more a warm up act.

A warm up act? She performed just before Steps. Her name was the second-biggest in the bill.

That Wimbledon gig was in New York, barely advertised and announced in a few days notice.

It's clear that you like to take extreme examples in order to portray a very negative picture.

Posted by: spiceboy 10th August 2023, 09:37 AM

QUOTE(sammy01 @ Aug 9 2023, 10:19 PM) *
She wasn't the main headliner more a warm up act. Tickets for Brighton pride were being discounted to get rid too.

It pales massively when you think 4 years ago they were selling out Wembley stadium 3 times over. Melanie C played that Wimbledon gig to a nearly empty field just a few days ago. For every pride there is still a DJ set or a festival that is absolute trash.

It is like settling for mouldy bread when you can have cheesecake and thinking the bread is amazing.

I love Emma but boring covers, Christmas gigs, nappies, lord give me strength.



She was hardly a warm up act, she was second billing.

So by that argument if Spice Girls continued as a group you’d only want them to do it if they continued to sell out stadiums and arenas not if they became a band that relied on the nostalgia circuit performing smaller events. I guess it’s different when you’re actually a fan of the music like I am with Melanie because I’ll happily see her performing to 50 people and enjoy it just as much as when she is performing to thousands of people.

Posted by: vibe 10th August 2023, 09:48 AM

This is the only forum where grown men behave like this on this website.

It’s embarrassing!


Posted by: vibe 10th August 2023, 09:49 AM

The videos of Melanie at Brighton and the feedback she received was stellar!

Posted by: Mr.X 10th August 2023, 11:29 AM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 10 2023, 10:37 AM) *
She was hardly a warm up act, she was second billing.

So by that argument if Spice Girls continued as a group you’d only want them to do it if they continued to sell out stadiums and arenas not if they became a band that relied on the nostalgia circuit performing smaller events. I guess it’s different when you’re actually a fan of the music like I am with Melanie because I’ll happily see her performing to 50 people and enjoy it just as much as when she is performing to thousands of people.


Second billing at Brighton f***ing Pride is still a 'warm up act' lol lets be real here...

I wouldnt care about them as a group doing the 'nostalgia circuit' because they are at a level where they can do stadiums/more interesting projects. If they were to do the festival circuit as a group, I most probably wouldnt attend because I don't care about the nostalgia crap they have been spewing for 20 years anymore. If that's what they are willing to offer, then make it interesting and big at least.

The solo girls are not even close to that, so them doing the nostalgia circuit is the bare f***ing minimum. I am not enough of a Mel C solo fan to actively waste my time in going to see at Pub in the Park, specially when she could be doing much better/interesting gigs with the group instead, which is what I care about. I lived in Brighton for years and she visited multiple times, but I couldnt care less to go spend money to see her live. Done it once during Reason and thought it was so middle of the road... Plus her music isn't that great to me, so I I just cant justify it.

ANYWAY! It is always funny how Mel C fans take this conversation as us commenting on Mel's happiness and agency or the fan's own taste in her music. No-one's saying she cant do it or that she isnt happy doing it. Great for her.

As a fan of the group only - and the occasional Bunton music - I find her solo career a mere distraction and incredibly tedious...

Posted by: Mr.X 10th August 2023, 11:30 AM

teresa.gif Melanie's PR trying to convince regional festivals to book her again next year:

QUOTE(vibe @ Aug 10 2023, 10:49 AM) *
The videos of Melanie at Brighton and the feedback she received was stellar!



Posted by: -Jay- 10th August 2023, 01:31 PM

Let's dial this back, please. This hasn't developed into a particularly constructive or pleasant conversation, and I'd like us to steer away from having such a negative atmosphere here. Thank you...!

Posted by: Mr.X 10th August 2023, 02:30 PM

Appreciate you Jay, but honestly dont think this conversation is 'wrong' to be had, or whatever. It's just annoying lol

Posted by: spiceboy 10th August 2023, 03:27 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 10 2023, 03:30 PM) *
Appreciate you Jay, but honestly dont think this conversation is 'wrong' to be had, or whatever. It's just annoying lol



I think it is just tiring for those of us who are proud of respective things the girls have done or achieved only for the same users (and I am not just referring to you here, different users are happy to do it to different girls) to constantly whine about it and put down their achievements. We get enough of that from the misogynistic media as it is.

Myself for instance, as a huge fan of solo Melanie C, I get quite wound up about the comments about her career having it called pathetic and putting down the things she is doing. For me I look back 15 years ago and think ok yes she was having some hits across Europe at that point however her reputation as an artist was in the gutter, she would never ever have gotten a solo slot at Glastonbury or a main stage appearance at Brighton Pride or some of the other festivals she is doing. I am quite proud of her for having stuck to her passion and slogged away to get to where she is. Then I see the same people posting again and again how pathetic it is, how she could be playing stadiums and so on over and over.

Nobody is saying don't post your opinion, but, once you've said it, you've said it, it does not need to be brought up again and again in several different threads which is what happening here.

It has wound me up to the extent that I've actually considered leaving the mod post and have avoided the forum at times so it clearly does create a negative atmosphere and vibe in here as Jay mentioned.

Posted by: sammy01 11th August 2023, 07:25 AM

Melanie C of 15 years ago wouldn't be seen dead at Brighton pride. She saw herself as way above that sort thing. It is only because the hits and other oppurtunities have dried up that she is now a nostalgia festival act.

She was doing Isle of white so she could get big festivals back then.

People being happy she is booked and others realising that most of it is low rent bookings and she would probably much rather be doing better things can both be true or valid.

It is like Glastonbury, Melanie C played a small tent with a lot of names I've never heard of. With the Spice Girls she would be a main headliner on the main stage making massive waves and headlines. You can celebrate the 'wins' like Glastonbury whilst also recognising it is only second place.

Posted by: Voodoo 11th August 2023, 08:59 AM

QUOTE(sammy01 @ Aug 11 2023, 10:25 AM) *
Melanie C of 15 years ago wouldn't be seen dead at Brighton pride.

You are talking absolute bollocks. rolleyes.gif

Why? Because exactly 15 years ago, Melanie headlined Pride Toronto. whistle.gif



If Brighton Pride is good & prestigious enough for Kylie Minogue and Britney Spears then it's certainly good enough for Melanie, too.

Posted by: -Jay- 11th August 2023, 09:38 AM

Even if Melanie C's career choices are "second best" to work with the Spice Girls, she can hardly be expected to sit at home and do nothing, waiting for the other three or four to commit to the group. Why should she resign herself to thinking "nothing I do by myself can ever compare to Spice Girls, so I shouldn't bother, this is too low rent for me, as a Spice Girl". That would be such an unhealthy mindset to have. Thankfully she doesn't think this, she's still out there, booked and busy, and looking like she's having a lot of fun!

I think context really needs to be applied to Melanie C in 2023. Her most successful solo album and the hit singles from it are 23-24 years ago. She's almost 50. Everything could have dried up for her long before now... but she didn't allow that to happen, instead she's hitting new highs in her career such as performing at Glastonbury (regardless of the stage, she got a great reception) and she has a level of respect that wasn't afforded to her during the 2000s and 2010s.

When it comes to her solo career, realistically what sort of things do you guys expect her to be doing now, that would make her solo career "worthy" in your eyes? Because personally, she's exceeding my expectations for what I might have previously assumed her career would look like in the 2020s.

Posted by: Mr.X 11th August 2023, 11:24 AM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Aug 11 2023, 10:38 AM) *
Even if Melanie C's career choices are "second best" to work with the Spice Girls, she can hardly be expected to sit at home and do nothing, waiting for the other three or four to commit to the group. Why should she resign herself to thinking "nothing I do by myself can ever compare to Spice Girls, so I shouldn't bother, this is too low rent for me, as a Spice Girl". That would be such an unhealthy mindset to have. Thankfully she doesn't think this, she's still out there, booked and busy, and looking like she's having a lot of fun!

I think context really needs to be applied to Melanie C in 2023. Her most successful solo album and the hit singles from it are 23-24 years ago. She's almost 50. Everything could have dried up for her long before now... but she didn't allow that to happen, instead she's hitting new highs in her career such as performing at Glastonbury (regardless of the stage, she got a great reception) and she has a level of respect that wasn't afforded to her during the 2000s and 2010s.

When it comes to her solo career, realistically what sort of things do you guys expect her to be doing now, that would make her solo career "worthy" in your eyes? Because personally, she's exceeding my expectations for what I might have previously assumed her career would look like in the 2020s.


I think the main criticism here, for me, is towards the other girls's aversion to group and solo music, and performing in general.

When it comes to Mel C, yeah I find it all still quite meh. Great for her to be receiving praise etc, but it all leaves me rather numb because I find most of her music meandering. Her last album being her best in 25 years doesnt mean much to me, personally.

I guess to answer your question in regards to what it would take for me to be interested again? Good and interesting music. She did that with Who I Am and Blame It on Me but the rest of the album is Mel C by the numbers again, imo. Even though there was a progression, it didnt materialise in great music to me. Lets see what her next album brings but I am not excited.

In terms of 'general' feelings about their solo work, it's been 25 years of mostly crap and middle of the road stuff. Some brilliant moments like Northern Star, Free Me and Life in Mono albums, but apart from those, it's all been vastly mediocre to bad stuff. So eventually I lost interest in their solo works and I guess it would take quite the turn to make me go back in the way that I was, for sure.

And I am just talking about music and performing here. Frankly, I couldnt give an ass about the other side projects.

Posted by: dancinqueen 11th August 2023, 11:43 AM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ Aug 11 2023, 11:24 AM) *
I think the main criticism here, for me, is towards the other girls's aversion to group and solo music, and performing in general.

When it comes to Mel C, yeah I find it all still quite meh. Great for her to be receiving praise etc, but it all leaves me rather numb because I find most of her music meandering. Her last album being her best in 25 years doesnt mean much to me, personally.

I guess to answer your question in regards to what it would take for me to be interested again? Good and interesting music. She did that with Who I Am and Blame It on Me but the rest of the album is Mel C by the numbers again, imo. Even though there was a progression, it didnt materialise in great music to me. Lets see what her next album brings but I am not excited.

In terms of 'general' feelings about their solo work, it's been 25 years of mostly crap and middle of the road stuff. Some brilliant moments like Northern Star, Free Me and Life in Mono albums, but apart from those, it's all been vastly mediocre to bad stuff. So eventually I lost interest in their solo works and I guess it would take quite the turn to make me go back in the way that I was, for sure.

And I am just talking about music and performing here. Frankly, I couldnt give an ass about the other side projects.


Free Me and Life In Mono are meh and lack personality, IMHO.
But who cares about my opinion, Emma did and still will do what makes her happy as an individual - and this won’t affect any possible future group project. If your faves don’t release anything new, that’s not Melanie C fault. It’s like you want her to stop doing solo stuff because 1) there is no group thing happening; 2) the other 4 don’t do anything solo music-related (when they’re actually involved in different valuable projects, from books to entrepreneurship, fashion and charity.

Posted by: Mr.X 11th August 2023, 01:16 PM

QUOTE(dancinqueen @ Aug 11 2023, 12:43 PM) *
Free Me and Life In Mono are meh and lack personality, IMHO.
But who cares about my opinion, Emma did and still will do what makes her happy as an individual - and this won’t affect any possible future group project. If your faves don’t release anything new, that’s not Melanie C fault. It’s like you want her to stop doing solo stuff because 1) there is no group thing happening; 2) the other 4 don’t do anything solo music-related (when they’re actually involved in different valuable projects, from books to entrepreneurship, fashion and charity.


Yes, it is our individual opinions we are all sharing here and no, the girls don't read this forum and yes they should do what makes them happy. That's all valid and again, I don't really understand your problem with us sharing our opinions.

No-one is saying that they can't do what they do lol But certainly we don't all have to support what they do, and we certainly can comment on it. At the end of the day, this is a forum to discuss them and their solo projects as much as it is about them as a group. You get the fans that support it, you get the ones who don't. It's democratic and it is all valid.

Hope that clears that for you and you clear that hurt in your butt about some os us not caring for Mel C's solo career wink.gif

Posted by: sammy01 11th August 2023, 02:23 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Aug 11 2023, 10:38 AM) *
Even if Melanie C's career choices are "second best" to work with the Spice Girls, she can hardly be expected to sit at home and do nothing, waiting for the other three or four to commit to the group. Why should she resign herself to thinking "nothing I do by myself can ever compare to Spice Girls, so I shouldn't bother, this is too low rent for me, as a Spice Girl". That would be such an unhealthy mindset to have. Thankfully she doesn't think this, she's still out there, booked and busy, and looking like she's having a lot of fun!

I think context really needs to be applied to Melanie C in 2023. Her most successful solo album and the hit singles from it are 23-24 years ago. She's almost 50. Everything could have dried up for her long before now... but she didn't allow that to happen, instead she's hitting new highs in her career such as performing at Glastonbury (regardless of the stage, she got a great reception) and she has a level of respect that wasn't afforded to her during the 2000s and 2010s.

When it comes to her solo career, realistically what sort of things do you guys expect her to be doing now, that would make her solo career "worthy" in your eyes? Because personally, she's exceeding my expectations for what I might have previously assumed her career would look like in the 2020s.


I'm not sure anyone is suggesting Melanie C do nothing just that some of us have a different perspective on it. It is like Mel B being a tv personality, she is but it is mainly low rent stuff and it is stuff a lot of reality 'stars' and C listers also do.
Melanie C doing nostalgia festivals are to me the same as Mel B doing some crappy tv show, yeah she is booked but it is very low on the ladder of their chosen career.

I just don't need to try and convince myself that what Mel B, Emma or Melanie C are doing is remotely 'oh I have to watch, attend or buy this' stuff anymore. Hopefully all are happy, paying the bills and satisfied.

I aint queueing up for 45 minutes on 4 devices like I did for the Spice Girls 2019 tour to get tickets and that feeling of excitement from the announcement, buying tickets and going to the concerts for any solo project from any of them.

I'm not at all saying people cant enjoy solo projects, just for the most part I don't enjoy them.

I guess the main problem is because of the Spice Girls I'm still invested in the girls but not in their solo careers.

Posted by: spiceboy 11th August 2023, 02:26 PM

Nobody cares if you don’t care about her career. What is boring is how you keep bringing it up. Yes we get it, you don’t like it I’m very sorry for you, however you sound like a broken record constantly bringing it up again and again.

Posted by: vibe 11th August 2023, 02:56 PM

👏

Posted by: dancinqueen 11th August 2023, 03:11 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 11 2023, 02:26 PM) *
Nobody cares if you don’t care about her career. What is boring is how you keep bringing it up. Yes we get it, you don’t like it I’m very sorry for you, however you sound like a broken record constantly bringing it up again and again.


But this works for all 5 of them. Do I like Emma’s music? Not much. Do I get goosebumps when Geri sings? Never. Do I buy Victoria’s stuff? Not even in a million years. Do I watch Mel AB’s tv shows? I don’t even own a tv! Did I buy Melanie C music Reason-Version of me eras? No, they’re too MOR for me.

Do I love these girls? Yes! And I think they should pursue whatever makes them happy. If Geri starts writing books and has to promote them in a small coffee shop, that doesn’t make her effort any less valid. If Melanie C appears at one of her mom’s gigs or plays a respectable slot at Glasto (with no new material), both are respectable. If Emma and Victoria are cool being moms and business women, that’s also girl power. If Mel B is Mel B, let her effing be. We love her for what she is!

I might not buy Emma’s music, but trust me, out there, there is a person or a small group for whom those songs mean something, and that’s what we should be proud of - more than any selfish request to perform as a group because “the gays say so”. (I’m queer myself, just to clarify)

Posted by: McAndrew 11th August 2023, 05:30 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 11 2023, 03:26 PM) *
Nobody cares if you don’t care about her career. What is boring is how you keep bringing it up. Yes we get it, you don’t like it I’m very sorry for you, however you sound like a broken record constantly bringing it up again and again.

Amusing and absurd as this has all been to read, I couldn’t agree more with this sentiment.

Posted by: sammy01 11th August 2023, 05:47 PM

QUOTE(spiceboy @ Aug 11 2023, 03:26 PM) *
Nobody cares if you don’t care about her career. What is boring is how you keep bringing it up. Yes we get it, you don’t like it I’m very sorry for you, however you sound like a broken record constantly bringing it up again and again.


I'm on a forum and entitled to give my opinion as much as anyone else and you obviously care or you wouldn't respond.

Don't like it block me, ignore me or do one. I honestly don't care which.

Posted by: -Jay- 11th August 2023, 06:01 PM

Why is this forum slowly but surely turning into DenDen cry.gif We’re a nice little community usually! Let’s get back to that!

Posted by: sammy01 11th August 2023, 06:36 PM

Because as always Spiceboy just cant accept others opinions then gets arsey. Voodoo is endlessly positive about Melanie C but more power to them, you keep posting updates about her and enjoying what she does. I'd never say to them stop posting I'm bored of reading the same thing. I just don't respond or put my own opinion or don't read.

I don't know how why it is so hard to just accept others opinions. We all like the girls or we wouldn't be here. Some will be positive some will be negative on subjects such is life. Spiceworld 25 has some who are endlessly negative about it but they are more than entitled to say so.

I have no issue with anyone having any opinion but don't tell me what to post or not and everything will be just fine.

Posted by: Mr.X 11th August 2023, 08:19 PM

Fine, im sorry that my comments bother you and I concede that they are innapropriately stated.

The girls are of course free to do what they like and I never said otherwise though.

Posted by: Equinox8 11th August 2023, 08:53 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Aug 11 2023, 06:01 PM) *
Why is this forum slowly but surely turning into DenDen cry.gif We’re a nice little community usually! Let’s get back to that!


Agreed, the vibe is not the T. But I find that this "division" amongst us fans often occurs because the SGs are divided themselves -- and any discussions regarding their solo projects naturally move along separate lines that can lead to conflict, especially when coupled with the fact that as a group, they produced quality music together for such a short period of time, that we are often forced to feast on scraps, so to speak. friends.gif

Posted by: Long Dong Silver 3rd May 2024, 02:48 PM

Mod Edit: Moved some posts from Geri Halliwell - Scream If You Wanna Go Faster album topic, which had become more generally about the solo Spice Girls and their cover versions

Word Up is the best cover of Word Up OF ALL TARM, ans the avant garde video is CHEF'S KISS!!

Posted by: spiceboy 3rd May 2024, 05:53 PM

Tbh It's Raining Men and Word Up are the only two proper decent covers. Mel B's is just amazing and should have been a big hit and Geri's just has more bass and oopmh than the original. I also am not a fan of the screechy vocals of the Weather girls version I prefer Geri's deeper vocal take on it.

All the other covers are either just passable as copy imitations or quite frankly rubbish.

Posted by: Long Dong Silver 3rd May 2024, 05:57 PM

Agredd tbh!

Except for Spice Girls' Chrisrmas medley, Sisters ... ARE!!!! (DOING OIT!! THEY'RS DOING IT!!!) (For ... Themselves?!), and We are Family. Those are great too.

Worst EVER cover is Mel C's I Want That Candy

Posted by: Mr.X 3rd May 2024, 06:51 PM

Word Up, Crickets and I Wish I Could Have Loved You More are the only covers worth keeping by any of the spices. The rest can rot.

The worst of it all has to be either Soul Boy by Mel C or Live and Let Die by Geri

Posted by: spiceboy 3rd May 2024, 07:56 PM

Oh I forgot I wish I could have loved you more, that is excellent too!

Excellent
- I wish I could have loved you more
- Word up
- It's raining men


Soul boy is utterly the worst cover easily. I love the Reason era some incredible songs but Soul boy getting onto the album is the biggest WTF of Melanie's career... even more so than I want candy which at least had the funding and payola of the movie behind it.

Posted by: Jessie Where 3rd May 2024, 08:17 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ 3rd May 2024, 07:51 PM) *
Word Up, Crickets and I Wish I Could Have Loved You More are the only covers worth keeping by any of the spices. The rest can rot.

The worst of it all has to be either Soul Boy by Mel C or Live and Let Die by Geri


Has she actually done a version of this?! blink.gif

I'm already picturing in my head how it sounds, and I'm having pre-emptive nightmares drama.gif

Posted by: sammy01 3rd May 2024, 08:21 PM

It was only this year I bothered to listen to the original Soul Boy, which is massively shit too. I cant believe anyone listened to it and thought this is ace it needs covering.


Posted by: Yobnedor 3rd May 2024, 09:22 PM

I didn’t even know Soul Boy was a cover

Posted by: Piers 4th May 2024, 04:28 AM

I don't think Geri's Live and Let Die is bad, per se...and I say that as someone who would be inclined to be against it. I *love* the original version. Saw Paul McCartney perform it live a few years back. Great concert memory.

But. Anyway. Back to Geri. I actually think her voice fits on it pretty well. After doing Summertime, I think Geri proved she could be suited to sing a Bond-ish song...so I guess the most logical step would be to sing an actual Bond song. Granted, the instrumentation is what genuinely carries Live and Let Die. But. What Geri did, I thought she did well.

Now. All that said, I do think her version does the same thing as most solo Spice covers...it's a replica of the original. Considering Guns N' Roses had already done an amped up version of Live and Let Die, you'd kinda hope Geri would come up with some new twist rather than just reverting to the early 70s original. But. Look. Geri didn't put Live and Let Die on an album. It was a b-side. Eh. I'm not mad at it.

Posted by: spiceboy 4th May 2024, 10:32 AM

Yeah Geri's live and let die didn't really do it for me I have to say, Paul McCartney's is such a good version of that song but it really is about vocals as the song is basically the same.

It's like Emma's Downtown was never going to match up to the original, even though Emma has a sweet voice.

Posted by: -Jay- 5th May 2024, 12:53 PM

I hope Universal is pleased with how A Girl Like Me on vinyl sold. That and Northern Star now existing just makes me want more more more!

Obviously I would love Free Me and Life in Mono to be on vinyl, but I guess it’s 19 that have to get the ball rolling with that, even if it’s done through Universal? I fear if they can’t be bothered to sort out the worldwide rights for that album, then vinyl isn’t on their minds either.

From my understanding, Virgin and EMI releases are all handled by Universal Music Group… so that would be Reason, Hot, Victoria Beckham and the three Geri albums. I feel like there’s potential stumbling blocks for all of those. I’ve resigned myself to Geri on vinyl never happening, because surely if it was it would have happened by now - Schizophonic is in its 25th anniversary year, yet the company went with A Girl Like Me.

I’m honestly surprised that Melanie C has resisted issuing her Red Girl albums on vinyl. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be worthwhile for her.

Posted by: Sideout 5th May 2024, 03:38 PM

It will be interesting to see if Melanie C does anything for Beautiful Intentions 20th anniversary. Surly releasing it on vinyl for the first time is a no brainer like Jay said. We'll see if she releases any outtakes from her albums during anniversary releases.

Posted by: -Jay- 5th May 2024, 05:34 PM

I hope so! Although if she intends to start a new album era within the next year, I guess she'd prioritise wanting maximum sales for that, over Beautiful Intentions (it being almost 20 years since that album, goshhh!)

Posted by: CallMeKylie 6th May 2024, 07:37 AM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ 5th May 2024, 12:53 PM) *
From my understanding, Virgin and EMI releases are all handled by Universal Music Group…

That is a common misconception. Only the Virgin Records catalogue was sold to Universal. The old EMI Records label was sold to Warner Music Group about a decade ago, so Geri's entire catalogue is controlled by Warner UK.

If you look at the copyright data of all her albums on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, etc. you'll see it says "Parlophone Records Ltd".

Posted by: Blond 2.0 6th May 2024, 08:56 PM

Emma made Crickets a much better song so catchy and amazing the original was just boring

Posted by: -Jay- 7th May 2024, 02:01 AM

QUOTE(CallMeKylie @ 6th May 2024, 08:37 AM) *
That is a common misconception. Only the Virgin Records catalogue was sold to Universal. The old EMI Records label was sold to Warner Music Group about a decade ago, so Geri's entire catalogue is controlled by Warner UK.

If you look at the copyright data of all her albums on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, etc. you'll see it says "Parlophone Records Ltd".

Thank you for informing me, I had never noticed her music saying Parlophone/Warner! Even Passion/Ride It/Desire despite that involving Virgin. Who knows whether Warner would ever be motivated to try and release them on vinyl. I won’t hold my breath sad.gif

Posted by: isanka 7th May 2024, 06:56 AM

QUOTE(Sideout @ 5th May 2024, 04:38 PM) *
It will be interesting to see if Melanie C does anything for Beautiful Intentions 20th anniversary. Surly releasing it on vinyl for the first time is a no brainer like Jay said. We'll see if she releases any outtakes from her albums during anniversary releases.

Melanie are so lazy with her catalogue. Check on Spotify to see that so many stuff from her own label is missing. Quality of pictures are bads. She doesn't car much at all. Were are all the b-sides from RGR? Where are "Let There Be Loved" ? She need to clean it are rebuild everything.

Posted by: Mr.X 7th May 2024, 12:35 PM

QUOTE(Blond 2.0 @ 6th May 2024, 09:56 PM) *
Emma made Crickets a much better song so catchy and amazing the original was just boring


The original is a gorgeous, stunning song but yes Emma made it more POP and it is quite an original cover actually! Top notch!

Posted by: -Jay- 16th June 2024, 02:40 PM

Further to the discussion about Emma and the state of her streaming (the lack of availability worldwide / missing singles etc)... it has to be said, all of the girls' streaming presence kind of sucks to varying degrees, doesn't it?

Most of what I've written below is referencing what isn't available. I might have missed some stuff:


Victoria

Out of Your Mind - Remixes
A Mind of Its Own - B Side 'Always Be My Baby'
This Groove/Let Your Head Go - Never likely to be digitised due to a lack of interest from Victoria, which also applies to the tracks from the DVD of The Real Beckhams & any other recordings from this era

P.S. The normal version of Out of Your Mind must have a very poor playlist reach - it's still only on 1.7 million streams worldwide!


Mel B

I Want You Back - Remixes (oddly it's the only Virgin era single that isn't released digitally)
Word Up - Some alternative versions i.e. Single Version, Pop Edit, Full Length
Tell Me - Radio Edit (it's the album version on the digital single) and some of the remixes
Feels So Good - Remixes
For Once in My Life - Remixes (considering there's so many of them - by some pretty big names - it's strange that they were never released commercially!)


Geri

Look at Me - Single Version
Scream If You Wanna Go Faster [song] - Album version with extended intro (the single version is on the album in its place)
Mi Chico Latino, It's Raining Men, Calling & Ride It - Remixes
Desire - B Side 'True Love Never Dies'
Half of Me - Restricted to certain countries

P.S. The artwork of Look at Me is an awful recreation of the original :\


Melanie C

Reason - Independence Day
Beautiful Intentions - RFM live acoustic tracks
The Night EP - all 3 songs
Stages - Anything Goes
Live at Shepherd's Bush - entire album
Melanie C (self-titled album) - Self Love

Goin' Down - B Sides 'Angel on My Shoulder' and 'I Want You Back'
Northern Star [song] - Acoustic Version and B Side 'Something's Gonna Happen'
Never Be the Same Again - Lisa Lopes Remix, B Side 'I Wonder What It Would Be Like', Live Versions of 'Closer' and 'Goin' Down'
I Turn to You - Damian LeGassick Radio Mix and 'Be the One' Live.
Here It Comes Again - Marius De Vries Radio Edit and B Side 'Living Without You'
On the Horizon - Radio Mix, B Sides 'I Love You Without Trying' and 'Wonderland' + Acoustic Versions of 'Goin' Down' and 'Never Be the Same Again'
Melt/Yeh Yeh Yeh - B Side 'Knocked Out' and 'I Wish' Live.
Next Best Superstar - Remixes/Acoustic Version
Better Alone - B Side 'Runaway', Remixes and 'You'll Get Yours' Acoustic Version
First Day of My Life - Acoustic Version
The Moment You Believe - Remixes
I Want Candy - Club Junkies Mix and B Side 'Already Gone'
Carolyna - Some of the remixes
This Time [song] - B Side 'We Love to Entertain You' and the Alternate Mix of 'Understand' (it just plays the album version)
Rock Me - Steve More Remixes
Think About It - Remixes & Acoustic Version - Live at Hitradio Ö3
Weak - A Capella & Instrumental
Let There Be Love - Restricted to certain countries
I Know Him So Well - Radio Edit used to be available but became unavailable
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother - Became unavailable
Loving You - Some of the remixes
Dear Life - 'Something for the Fire' Live
Hold On - Radio Edit used to be available but became unavailable
Room for Love - Live at Shepherd's Bush Empire 2017 version

+ other random songs, such as tracks that were exclusive to DVDs (Blue Skies All the Way, Paris Is Burning, Too Soon)

P.S. A bit shocking how much of her Red Girl material in particular is missing considering it's in Melanie C's hands to make this stuff available! Also it's criminal that some of the earlier Red Girl singles had their HQ artworks replaced with awful scans of physical sleeves/booklets sick2.gif Including the This Time single being given the album artwork... so sloppy.


and finally...

Emma Bunton

Free Me & Life in Mono - albums not streamable in many countries

What I Am - Some of the remixes
What Took You So Long? - B Sides '(Hey You) Free Up Your Mind' & 'Merry-Go Round'
Take My Breath Away - Single Mix, Tin Tin Out Mix and B Sides 'Close Encounter' & 'Invincible'
Free Me - Remixes
Maybe - Remixes and B Side 'Don't Tell Me You Love Me Anymore'
I'll Be There - Remixes and B Sides 'So Long' and 'Takin It Easy'
Crickets Sing for Anamaria - Some of the remixes
Downtown - Two of the Element remixes
All I Need to Know - Radio Edit, other remixes and B Side 'Midnights & Martinis'



Sure, the majority of this stuff listed (particularly remixes/live versions) isn't hugely pressing. I just think it's a shame that when their music was digitised, it was mostly approached in a half-assed fashion. So many songs that will only live on a fan's hard drive/iTunes or unofficial YouTube uploads.

A particular bugbear for me personally is the Single Mix of Take My Breath Away never being available to stream. I prefer it to the album version!

Posted by: Mr.X 16th June 2024, 09:06 PM

Damn, when you lay it down like this, they are very careless with their own music, for sure. I think the group itself has most of its releases online right?


Posted by: -Jay- 16th June 2024, 11:26 PM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ 16th June 2024, 10:06 PM) *
Damn, when you lay it down like this, they are very careless with their own music, for sure. I think the group itself has most of its releases online right?

I think so, maybe there's a handful of "promo only" remixes missing, but nothing major!

Posted by: Mr.X 21st June 2024, 10:59 PM

Seems like some of your wishes have been granted Jay wub.gif

What I Am EP with full remixes are out now on all platforms:

https://music.apple.com/gb/album/what-i-am-feat-emma-bunton/1750875051

Posted by: -Jay- 24th June 2024, 02:09 AM

QUOTE(Mr.X @ 21st June 2024, 11:59 PM) *
Seems like some of your wishes have been granted Jay wub.gif

What I Am EP with full remixes are out now on all platforms:

https://music.apple.com/gb/album/what-i-am-feat-emma-bunton/1750875051

cheer.gif Love to see it!

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