BuzzJack Music Forum _ Katy Perry _ Harleys In Hawaii • Promo Single
Posted by: 365 3rd July 2019, 08:42 AM
Katy has been filming the video for her second single in Hawaii.
Its rumoured to be coming out in about a month, probably to coincide with a VMAs performance.
Posted by: Medellíam 3rd July 2019, 12:19 PM
Looking hot! *.* Surely coming for another summery big pop song in the vein of 'Never Really Over'? Happy to hear it's coming relatively soon. I know the performance of 'Never Really Over' is frustrating at the moment but I feel like it's potentially been a great springboard for the second single to be a bigger hit.
Posted by: 365 3rd July 2019, 12:35 PM
QUOTE(Medellíam @ Jul 3 2019, 01:19 PM)
Looking hot! *.* Surely coming for another summery big pop song in the vein of 'Never Really Over'? Happy to hear it's coming relatively soon. I know the performance of 'Never Really Over' is frustrating at the moment but I feel like it's potentially been a great springboard for the second single to be a bigger hit.
I'm quite happy with how NRO is done, I'm very very frustrated it didn't manage the top 10 as it's managed a very stable stay in the top 15 since release. Week 1 she was kept out by minimal Spotify support hindering her. Taylor and Little Mix kept her out in week 3 despite both being lower than her in the chart already. This week it's selling the most it's sold on any week but is down to #14 in the mids because of the glastonbury effect. It's been very unlucky.
I feel like NRO's stability has put her in the good books of radios and streaming alike though, so hopefully you're right about the second single being even bigger.
Posted by: Medellíam 3rd July 2019, 12:49 PM
It's been very unlucky indeed! I do agree with you that it can still be considered a success and I think it'll continue to perform consistently. Katy had a huge mountain to climb in terms of getting back support so this has been a triumph in that regard and, as I say, it'll put her in an even better position for single #2.
Posted by: Mack. 3rd July 2019, 01:20 PM
Oh my!, Katy. The music video could be interesting. Hoping for a California Gurls-esque song for the second single.
Posted by: troublepink 3rd July 2019, 02:34 PM
Saw these photos on instagram last night, Katy looks amazing! Can't wait to see whats next
Posted by: Jordan Lee 4th July 2019, 11:45 AM
I agree with the comments in that Never Really Overs performance will help this to be another hit.
The photos look like the song is going to be upbeat and summery.
Posted by: Juliano 5th July 2019, 04:13 PM
HYPED is not even the word. She looks SO GOOD! Song of the summer incoming!
Posted by: Jαsє 6th July 2019, 04:22 PM
The pressure is ON after how brilliant 'Never Really Over' is!
Posted by: troublepink 16th July 2019, 04:09 PM
Another pic from the video
https://ibb.co/k0W54xP
Posted by: Juliano 17th July 2019, 08:08 AM
Pretty much confirmed that the new single is called "Harley's In Hawaii".
Posted by: Nick Jonas 17th July 2019, 06:38 PM
I don’t like the title, hopefully the song is better
Posted by: Cqmerqn 18th July 2019, 06:20 AM
I hate that title
Posted by: Bjork 18th July 2019, 11:32 AM
agree, horrible title
also agree on how frustrating the chart position for NRO has been, Spotify and particularly HH has really stopped the song from being a massive top 5... if only kit had had 1/10th of the support there that people like Ed or Taylor get... in the US, the problem seems to be radio, she's not getting the airplay she used to have...
Posted by: troublepink 18th July 2019, 12:21 PM
Unsure about the title too, but I try to hold judgement until I hear the song... I've been wrong so many times by judging a song by its title before I've heard it
Posted by: Jαsє 18th July 2019, 12:34 PM
Horrid title. She's got a big challenge following up 'Never Really Over' but I have faith!!
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 18th July 2019, 03:41 PM
Hmmmm...
Posted by: Sailor Steve 18th July 2019, 03:58 PM
A summer anthem or she can keep it
Posted by: dannjohn 19th July 2019, 08:23 AM
what a horrendous title
Posted by: kye 19th July 2019, 03:15 PM
you can’t judge anything about this song by its title.. what does it matter?
Posted by: Cqmerqn 19th July 2019, 08:01 PM
QUOTE(Bjork @ Jul 18 2019, 12:32 PM)
agree, horrible title
also agree on how frustrating the chart position for NRO has been, Spotify and particularly HH has really stopped the song from being a massive top 5... if only kit had had 1/10th of the support there that people like Ed or Taylor get... in the US, the problem seems to be radio, she's not getting the airplay she used to have...
That makes no sense. Katy had major support from Spotify, instantly #1 on TTH with the cover! Then she had the vertical video high up on Hot Hits UK for approximately 37 years
Posted by: Voodoo 20th July 2019, 10:40 AM
I fail to see what's so HORRIBLE about the song title.
Posted by: 365 22nd July 2019, 08:35 AM
QUOTE(Cqmerqn @ Jul 19 2019, 09:01 PM)
That makes no sense. Katy had major support from Spotify, instantly #1 on TTH with the cover! Then she had the vertical video high up on Hot Hits UK for approximately 37 years
It was there for 10 days x
But yeah, Hot Hits really were quite close with this and the track itself has never been in the top 10 on there. If it was as high as Me! was in its first two weeks it'd probably have made the top 10.
Posted by: Jordan Lee 23rd July 2019, 02:21 PM
Second singles by Katy either go one way or other UK wise.
Hoping this is more of a Hot n Cold / Teenage Dream rather than a Unconditionally / Bon Appetit.
Is this another solo track without a feature? Hoping it is.
Posted by: troublepink 26th July 2019, 07:53 AM
I'm so ready to hear new music now, have we had any news on a new album yet? I've been searching for updates but found nothing
Posted by: Jonjo 26th July 2019, 02:21 PM
QUOTE(troublepink @ Jul 26 2019, 08:53 AM)
I'm so ready to hear new music now, have we had any news on a new album yet? I've been searching for updates but found nothing
I think she said she'd release one if there's demand for one or something.
Posted by: Jαsє 28th July 2019, 06:04 PM
QUOTE(365 @ Jul 26 2019, 05:26 PM)
Apparently, even though it's part of the vibe, 'Harley's in Hawaii' is not the actual title.
Thank GOD
Posted by: Cqmerqn 28th July 2019, 06:48 PM
2020?!
Posted by: 365 28th July 2019, 10:23 PM
QUOTE(Cqmerqn @ Jul 28 2019, 07:48 PM)
2020?!
Are you expecting one this Q4?
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 28th July 2019, 10:58 PM
QUOTE(Jαsє @ Jul 28 2019, 07:04 PM)
Thank GOD
Yeah, I am ultra relieved about that!
Posted by: 365 29th July 2019, 10:35 AM
I feel like she could bring song some of his songs to life a bit, she has a much more charismatic vocal than him.
Posted by: troublepink 29th July 2019, 02:12 PM
Much better title!
Posted by: 365 29th July 2019, 02:21 PM
Actually Harleys in Hawaii is apparently still a thing, and it's the third single so I'm going to open a new thread for 'Small Talk'.
Posted by: Jordan Lee 7th August 2019, 10:01 AM
I’ve just read something where she mentions putting out Harley’s In Hawaii later in the year. Think the OCC just posted it.
I had a feeling they might’ve been separate songs.
So anyways... did Harley’s have a video shot for it for when that premiers? Or was the video for Small Talk.
Posted by: Juan Carlos 3rd October 2019, 02:47 PM
To be released in two weeks according to ATRL's insider Mr.S. They didn't specify the exact date (Friday 18) nor the title, but it's a given that they're referring to this.
Posted by: 365 3rd October 2019, 03:26 PM
I hope this massive budget video is worth it and it's not another 81-out in the US.
Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 03:38 PM
It is obviously a summer song ... that they're releasing in winter She mustn't want to be famous anymore!
Posted by: RobBob 3rd October 2019, 04:36 PM
I do not give a single shit where it charts anymore, I just want to really like or love the song because its chart position does not change how good the song is
Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 04:52 PM
And yet Hey Hey Hey, Thinking of Poo, and Small Talk's positions all reflect the lack of quality of the songs
Posted by: 365 3rd October 2019, 05:09 PM
Hey Hey Hey was not a single lol
Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 05:13 PM
This full big budget video says differently!
Posted by: 365 3rd October 2019, 06:25 PM
QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Oct 3 2019, 06:13 PM)
This full big budget video says differently!
It literally wasn't a single. Most artists have released videos for songs that weren't singles.
Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 06:53 PM
I saw it at the gym It was a cancelled release at best.
Posted by: 365 3rd October 2019, 07:10 PM
Sure you did.
Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 07:18 PM
I did! They played it at the gym alongside other single releases - video and all.
Posted by: 365 3rd October 2019, 10:42 PM
I really want it to do well because it's much more likely we'll get an album and more music from Katy sooner rather than later. She said she'll only release the album if she's shown there's 'Appetite' for one. So hopefully this one is better than Small Tank and more people take to it.
Posted by: Jordan Lee 4th October 2019, 12:07 AM
If Streaming get on board and the music video drops the same day it’ll fare better than Small Talk.
Im intrigued at the song by the title. I’m feeling like it’s going to be an up-tempo summery number.
Posted by: 365 4th October 2019, 07:16 AM
QUOTE(Jordan Lee @ Oct 4 2019, 01:07 AM)
If Streaming get on board and the music video drops the same day it’ll fare better than Small Talk.
I really hope Spotify can get on board properly, Small Talk was doomed from the start but it pretty much stayed low half way on Hot Hits the whole time.
NRO's Spotify support was a bit better, it's vertical video was high for about a week but I wish it could have been given 'Mad Love' like support. Mad Love was actually lower on the Spotify chart than NRO despite better positions for ages but Spotify persisted with its top support for the song and eventually it started doing big numbers on there.
Posted by: Juliano 8th October 2019, 12:51 AM
Yeh I feel like Spotify is really poptasticphobic. Which is unfortunate.
Posted by: Bjork 8th October 2019, 08:26 AM
agree on the spotify mis.treat for Katy :/ also, does everybody see the vertical videos? cos I never see them but I got the free spotify and only use it on my laptop... maybe they're phone-only? or premium-only?
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 8th October 2019, 09:42 AM
I'm still really hoping it'll end up having a different title, it makes me cringe so much.
Posted by: Jay ☆ 8th October 2019, 03:33 PM
I don’t understand what makes the title cringeworthy?
Posted by: JosephStyles 10th October 2019, 06:09 PM
Hyped!!!
Posted by: Jack 10th October 2019, 06:19 PM
Apparently produced by Charlie Pith again
Posted by: Bjork 10th October 2019, 06:25 PM
ouch no no Charlie Puth is the worst
Posted by: JosephStyles 10th October 2019, 08:59 PM
Charlie's a brilliant songwriter!!
Posted by: Wall 10th October 2019, 09:02 PM
Urgh I really don’t like any of Charlie’s output recently.
Katy go back to Max Martin plz
Posted by: Juan Carlos 10th October 2019, 09:45 PM
QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Oct 8 2019, 10:33 AM)
I don’t understand what makes the title cringeworthy?
Maybe, is it because the title of the song is Harleys (in plural) and not Harley's (as Harley is)? That's the only reason I could think of to be honest.
Posted by: Jordan Lee 11th October 2019, 12:14 AM
Video same day should mean top 40 debut with YouTube streams for the video.
Posted by: Voodoo 11th October 2019, 09:26 AM
QUOTE(Wall @ Oct 11 2019, 12:02 AM)
Katy go back to Max Martin Dr. Luke plz
Agreed.
Posted by: JosephStyles 11th October 2019, 01:18 PM
said no-one ever lmao
Posted by: slowdown73 12th October 2019, 09:28 AM
Depending on how this performs, could be make or break in terms of whether we get a new album!
Posted by: Juan Carlos 14th October 2019, 03:27 PM
Out Wednesday.
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 14th October 2019, 03:28 PM
That's a daft idea if it's likely to peak in the first week.
Posted by: RobBob 14th October 2019, 03:28 PM
DON'T CARE WHERE IT CHARTS, JUST WANT MORE KATY
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 14th October 2019, 03:48 PM
A summer song in October :cheeseblock:
Posted by: Jordan Lee 15th October 2019, 12:48 AM
QUOTE(slowdown73 @ Oct 12 2019, 10:28 AM)
Depending on how this performs, could be make or break in terms of whether we get a new album!
Maybe we’ll get an album without some of the singles on it. She could just be getting her name back out here dropping some singles before she commits to an album.
Like she could be recording her album and dropping that the way Ellie is her upcoming record and also Rihanna with ANTI.
A Friday release would’ve been better. First day streams, video views and sales will now count to this week so when the song usually goes red on iTunes that’ll be Friday unless Spotify support starts then?
Posted by: Juan Carlos 15th October 2019, 04:52 PM
The music video will be out tomorrow at 11am. EDT / 4pm. BST.
Is there any hype for this? Has it been released yet?
Posted by: RobBob 16th October 2019, 09:04 AM
4pm luv x
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 16th October 2019, 09:06 AM
QUOTE(Nick Jonas @ Oct 16 2019, 09:45 AM)
Is there any hype for this? Has it been released yet?
No on both counts.
Posted by: Nick Jonas 16th October 2019, 09:20 AM
QUOTE(RobBob @ Oct 16 2019, 10:04 AM)
4pm luv x
Thanks
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 09:50 AM
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 16 2019, 10:06 AM)
No on both counts.
Posted by: davidas 16th October 2019, 10:21 AM
So it's being released today at 11 or 4??
Posted by: RobBob 16th October 2019, 12:48 PM
4pm.
Quick reminder for people in the thread - I’m aware it’s a chart forum, but you are able to like or dislike a song regardless of where it charts so feel free to let your opinions not just be “yeah but it’s a flop” a la 90% of the Small Talk thread which is exhausting to read.
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 12:57 PM
I think we all know she's over Just here for the song or not here for it.
Posted by: Jonjo 16th October 2019, 01:10 PM
So over that NRO is almost top 100 still on Global Spotify 5 months after release? Sure.
Not sure what to expect from this really.
Posted by: RobBob 16th October 2019, 03:02 PM
I am... not feeling this for her at all on first listen. *sighs*
Posted by: RobBob 16th October 2019, 03:05 PM
It's cute! But kind of lacking a bit of Katy identity, like it could easily be done by like a Camila or a Selena. It, just as Small Talk does, picks up for the last chorus but yeah, this isn't gonna do any better for her than Small Talk performance wise and it lifted less of a reaction than that did on first listen.
Posted by: RobBob 16th October 2019, 03:08 PM
SORRY FOR THE TRIPLE POST SKSKSKSK.
Posted by: Jack 16th October 2019, 03:15 PM
I prefer Small Talk to this
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 03:16 PM
Another Small Talk. She's finished. No new album then! At least we got NRO and Bon Appetit from the 2 latest eras.
Posted by: Jonjo 16th October 2019, 03:22 PM
Very different for her! Going to take some getting used to, but I actually quite like it! 3 for 3 this era for me. If only it was going to follow through with an album </3
So lush and smooth.
Posted by: JosephStyles 16th October 2019, 03:25 PM
It's obviously not a huge pop song like NRO and I was expecting the lukewarm response here so far but I'm liking it and I think it has more chance of smashing than Small Talk does! It's got a great vibe to it and plenty of hooks throughout too. I remember how it goes after my first play which is always a good sign!
Posted by: SKOB 16th October 2019, 03:31 PM
Didn't listen to this yet but what the hell is her team thinking... it's released on Wednesday!
Posted by: davidas 16th October 2019, 03:45 PM
Disappointed... again.
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 03:53 PM
QUOTE(SKOB @ Oct 16 2019, 04:31 PM)
Didn't listen to this yet but what the hell is her team thinking... it's released on Wednesday!
This is the same team that didn't release WOA and LL and released Bon Apperit second anf waited 5 years, but not before taking away hype with Rise, and put all promo into Small Talk... Releasing on a Wednesday is a stroke of genius compared to their usual decisions.
Posted by: Juliano 16th October 2019, 04:07 PM
Don't hate it, it is catchy, will probably grow on me.
Posted by: Jordan Lee 16th October 2019, 04:16 PM
This is very much like an album track
Not what you’d push as a single and definitely not a single before an album release.
It doesn’t go anywhere though I don’t think a live performance would do anything to save this.
It is a bit Selena like. I wouldn’t say Camila but it sounds like something a mid tier female soloist would release.
Posted by: Jay ☆ 16th October 2019, 04:52 PM
It’s incredibly catchy! I’m enjoying the vibe of it, it’s rather sensual. It’s nice to see a somewhat more serious side of Katy in the music video too.
Posted by: Envoirment 16th October 2019, 04:54 PM
The best of the 3 songs she's released so far. Can see this being a big streaming hit with the right support. The video is great as well.
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 05:27 PM
I agree with the album track comments. It's like a Teenage Dream album track.
It is experimental for Katy, and I can remember it after it finishes, which is one step above Small Talk. It might be a cute hit.
Posted by: slowdown73 16th October 2019, 05:29 PM
Harleys in Hawaii is a forgettable track. Quite bland. It’s unlikely to do well.
Posted by: kye 16th October 2019, 06:09 PM
well, i love it! i don’t care if it does well + i don’t think they do at this point or they wouldn’t have put it out on wednesday. my only real criticism is that it gets a little bare where there should be a middle 8 so it, and i hate to say it, could have done with a rapper to really lift it.
but the video is great - very katy! and the song is a grower for sure. leaps + bounds ahead of small talk.
Posted by: Defaze 16th October 2019, 06:24 PM
I really like this and can easily see it growing with repeated plays. Love how understated it is!
Leagues ahead of 'Small Talk' at least, but not exactly a high bar to clear since that's one of the most ill-advised single choices in... forever. I still can't get over the gulf in quality between it and NRO.
Posted by: Jαsє 16th October 2019, 06:30 PM
An absolute non-event. Oh Katy...
Posted by: Wall 16th October 2019, 06:44 PM
No baby no.
This is boring, forgettable and I can’t see radio stations playing it tbh. It was looking so good after never really over!
Posted by: Lukuzz 16th October 2019, 07:05 PM
The worst of the 3, each release has been worse so far imo. Never Really Over is leagues ahead of both.
Posted by: kye 16th October 2019, 07:09 PM
i mean, this is a good 7/10 for the hula + jeweller line!
Posted by: Neil 16th October 2019, 07:26 PM
I can see why this is polarising for fans, but I'm really enjoying this - much MUCH better than Small Talk. Still leagues away from NRO though. Also, she looks amazing in the video, loving her look this era.
Posted by: SKOB 16th October 2019, 07:59 PM
Well that chorus was nonsense but kinda liked it. As a whole the song is slightly better than Small Talk imo!
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 09:43 PM
I kinda like it.
Posted by: andibob 16th October 2019, 10:35 PM
Quite like it. Nice vibe. I’m enjoying this era overall.
Posted by: Liаm 16th October 2019, 11:14 PM
I don't hate it but it's very understated, I'm not feeling that strongly either way after a couple of listens. It will probably grow if I give it enough listens! I really don't think it's a hit though.
Posted by: ...ready for it 16th October 2019, 11:20 PM
Nothing groundbreaking, but I do like it.
Posted by: RobBob 16th October 2019, 11:20 PM
I mean, as resident stan, I've obviously played this many times by now which probably makes it invalid to go OMG IT'S A GROWER but... it definitely is, and possibly at a quicker pace than Small Talk was for me.
The last chorus yet again is the best thing about it and her vocals sound FANTASTIC. I think I feel underwhelmed with Katy songs on first listen when they're not instant because I'm so used to her being one of the most instant artists out there with big choruses but... yeah, this is a lot better than I gave it credit for on first listen.
It kind of reminds me a little bit of Slumber Party, is that just me?
Posted by: Jonjo 16th October 2019, 11:38 PM
I actually understand that comparison. That's quite an accurate one tbh This is just so understated and smooth. It's so chill and it really suits her! Those adlibs at the end *.*
Why can I see this actually, rather unexpectedly taking off on streaming somewhat!? LMAO (Now I've said this, it won't do anything lmao </3)
Posted by: Juliano 16th October 2019, 11:41 PM
No but really. This IS a grower. Small Talk was also, but this is an even bigger grower. I've found myself going back for a 4th listen today and I kinda want to repeat it for a while now.
Posted by: Atonement 17th October 2019, 12:06 AM
I love it. I wish it had a middle 8.
Posted by: Juliano 17th October 2019, 12:10 AM
QUOTE(Atonement @ Oct 17 2019, 01:06 AM)
I love it. I wish it had a middle 8.
God yes why doesn't it. A 365 esque one would suit it!
Posted by: RobBob 17th October 2019, 12:20 AM
I think it's one of the rare songs I think a rapper would actually improve it. I'm not sure who, and someone who wouldn't pull away from the chilled feel of it.
Posted by: Atonement 17th October 2019, 12:21 AM
This is in her top 5 singles
Posted by: 365 17th October 2019, 12:29 AM
To me this wasn't even a grower, the hooks were pretty instant - and i think the 'Hula Ula/ Jeweller ' line is kind of genius (Something very Ariana). I get that it's a totally different vibe that you'd expect from Katy, but I'd actually say of the 3 singles released this would have been the most commercially viable (Yes, even more than NRO - despite me obviously preferring that). This just feels like the most 'current' she's been in a long time. So it's a shame they wasted their time with Small Talk; which I never fully got on board with (neither did many others), because I assume that one's underperformance might have hindered the amount of support this gets so soon afterwards.
She looks fantastic in the video too.
Posted by: Juliano 17th October 2019, 12:46 AM
QUOTE(365 @ Oct 17 2019, 01:29 AM)
and i think the 'Hula Ula/ Jeweller ' line is kind of genius (Something very Ariana).
I didn't want to be the one to say it, but... yes, totally caught that.
Posted by: kye 17th October 2019, 01:11 AM
definitely get the slumber party vibes from this. maybe they’ll add a rapper if it starts to pick up some traction?
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 17th October 2019, 08:17 AM
It's definitely not a hit in a million years, but I do quite like the vibe of it. I enjoyed it more on the first listen than I did 'Small Talk', although the chorus feels a bit flat... I assume that'll grow though.
I do in a way struggle to understand how they hit it out of the park in such a massive way with NRO and nothing since has even been 1/10th of the quality though.
Posted by: Jαsє 17th October 2019, 12:23 PM
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 17 2019, 09:17 AM)
I do in a way struggle to understand how they hit it out of the park in such a massive way with NRO and nothing since has even been 1/10th of the quality though.
Agreed
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 17th October 2019, 12:39 PM
If this came after a properly pushed NRO and no tattoo gate, sigh, then with airplay this could have been a spotify hit! Especially with a feature on it for a middle 8.
Posted by: troublepink 17th October 2019, 12:42 PM
Not sure on this, I do like it, and its really catchy, but its probably my least favourite of the three that she's released. I'm sure it will grow on me and she looks amazing in the video
Posted by: Atonement 17th October 2019, 10:20 PM
E.T. Dark Horse Bon Appétit Swish Swish Harley's in Hawaii
are her top 5 singles. FACTS.
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 17th October 2019, 10:40 PM
I can remember it. It is on repeat in my head almost. With Small Talk, I reaaally have to focus to remember how it goes anf that was after 5 listens! Harleys is more instant. It could be a Spotify hit. Maybe.
Posted by: Jonjo 17th October 2019, 11:11 PM
Track 1 on New Music Friday #28 on Hot Hits UK
Great starts!
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 17th October 2019, 11:16 PM
I'm actually asking Alexa to play this a lot
Comeback singles:
1. Bon appetit 2. NRO 3. 365 4. Harleys 5. Swish Swish 6. Rise 7. Small Talk
Posted by: TheJü-Pumpkin 18th October 2019, 02:50 PM
Think they missed a trick by not getting Orlando for the video
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 19th October 2019, 02:08 PM
I am quite enjoying this actually! It's distinctly summer sounding though, it feels odd having it released during a rainy October. I'm tempted to say they should've just gone with it as the second single over 'Small Talk'.
Posted by: LMLou 19th October 2019, 02:51 PM
I'm on the same boat as most in the sense I think it's much better than Small Talk but sadly much worse than NRO. I hope she takes a bit of time away now and comes back in a year or so with some proper pop bangers
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 19th October 2019, 02:58 PM
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 19 2019, 03:08 PM)
I am quite enjoying this actually! It's distinctly summer sounding though, it feels odd having it released during a rainy October. I'm tempted to say they should've just gone with it as the second single over 'Small Talk'.
This.
Posted by: SamJudd 19th October 2019, 03:32 PM
Not really sure about this yet, far better than the lacklustre 'Small Talk' though. Its an interesting direction though & Katy pulls off the sensual & sultry vocals really well, the video is pretty cool as well. But feel like there's something missing, that little extra spark seems to be absent for me.
Maybe my opinion will change over time, but at the moment I can't see this being a success.
Posted by: slowdown73 19th October 2019, 11:06 PM
Small talk has grown on me but it’s not great. I don’t like this at all though. It’s just bland.
Posted by: Bloodjerdling 19th October 2019, 11:40 PM
Nothing at all from this era has connected with me so disappointed!
Posted by: Nick Jonas 21st October 2019, 06:39 PM
#41 in today’s midweeks.
Posted by: Nick F1 21st October 2019, 07:10 PM
this is great follow up to Small Talk.
Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 21st October 2019, 08:08 PM
Is that better than Small Talk first week?
Posted by: danG 21st October 2019, 08:19 PM
QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 21 2019, 09:08 PM)
Is that better than Small Talk first week?
No - ST was #33 at this point of the week and ended at #43 officially.
Shame this is set to underperform even more as it's an improvement over that (though still nowhere near as good as NRO).
Posted by: Jonjo 21st October 2019, 08:36 PM
So weird though... isn't it doing slightly better than ST did on all platforms?
Posted by: Jonjo 22nd October 2019, 03:42 PM
A slow burner incoming *.*
Posted by: Michael Myers 22nd October 2019, 05:09 PM
I can listen to this. Not loads, but a few times a week.
Posted by: Bréxit 22nd October 2019, 05:21 PM
I was kind of expecting this to be awful from the title alone but I am actually liking it, it's a nice breezy diet bop. God knows why she chose to push the awful 'Small Talk' over this, this would have made way more sense as a summer single as well.
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd October 2019, 02:59 PM
QUOTE(Jonjo @ Oct 21 2019, 09:36 PM)
So weird though... isn't it doing slightly better than ST did on all platforms?
'Small Talk' did slightly better on both iTunes and Spotify at least initially.
Posted by: 365 23rd October 2019, 03:15 PM
This was released on a Wednesday.
Posted by: ...ready for it 23rd October 2019, 08:28 PM
I've been listening to this a decent amount lately.
Posted by: Nick F1 24th October 2019, 09:27 PM
it's predicted to debut @ no100 in US
Posted by: Nick Jonas 24th October 2019, 09:39 PM
Where did Small Talk debut?
Posted by: Nick F1 24th October 2019, 10:17 PM
QUOTE(Nick Jonas @ Oct 24 2019, 09:39 PM)
Where did Small Talk debut?
#81
Posted by: Nick Jonas 25th October 2019, 07:07 PM
Debuts at #45 this week in the UK.
Posted by: JosephStyles 25th October 2019, 07:42 PM
A very good debut considering it doesn't include the initial fanbase buys thanks to the Wednesday release!
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 25th October 2019, 08:17 PM
So they basically robbed themselves of a top 40 thanks to a Wednesday release?
Posted by: Nick Jonas 25th October 2019, 08:52 PM
Unlikely would have made much difference... it didn’t debut on Spotify until it was added to playlists on Friday.
Posted by: Nick F1 29th October 2019, 07:48 PM
It failed to enter on billboard Hot 100
but it's on bubbling under chart @#10
who would tough that Katy Perry will stuggle with entering the hot 100
Posted by: Jonjo 30th October 2019, 07:22 PM
Is this even a single? Has it been commisioned to radio in the UK (and US tbh)?
Posted by: Envoirment 30th October 2019, 07:46 PM
It hasn't been sent to radio. It's for the fans apparantley. It's a shame it didn't get a push to radio though as this sounds so good!
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 30th October 2019, 07:52 PM
Does "for the fans" mean they've demoted it to "buzz single" already?!
Posted by: Nick Jonas 30th October 2019, 08:02 PM
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 30 2019, 07:52 PM)
Does "for the fans" mean they've demoted it to "buzz single" already?!
I assume Small Talk was a buzz single too?
Posted by: SKOB 30th October 2019, 08:33 PM
They did all promo stops with Small Talk so maybe there's no budget to repeat it with this?
Posted by: Medellíam 30th October 2019, 08:47 PM
QUOTE(Nick Jonas @ Oct 30 2019, 08:02 PM)
I assume Small Talk was a buzz single too?
Nah, even the fans didn't want that.
Posted by: JosephStyles 30th October 2019, 10:09 PM
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 30 2019, 07:52 PM)
Does "for the fans" mean they've demoted it to "buzz single" already?!
No, it wasn't intended as a single in the first place for whatever reason (despite the Capital FM airplay, but it's not the first time they've played non-singles)
Posted by: Dan17F1 31st October 2019, 04:05 PM
QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Oct 30 2019, 10:09 PM)
No, it wasn't intended as a single in the first place for whatever reason (despite the Capital FM airplay, but it's not the first time they've played non-singles)
Are we sure it’s not a single? Radio 1 have just played it and I’m pretty sure they never play non singles!
Posted by: Nick Jonas 31st October 2019, 05:38 PM
Of course it’s a single 🙄😅
Posted by: 365 1st November 2019, 02:12 AM
QUOTE(Nick Jonas @ Oct 31 2019, 05:38 PM)
Of course it’s a single 🙄😅
Virgin EMI literally sent a press release to our offices the day before the song came out saying 'please note this is not a single'.
(I assume it was originally planned as a full single but Small Talk's performance gave them cold feet, so they decided to chuck it out on a Wednesday and not send it to radio)
Posted by: HauntedHaus 1st November 2019, 09:37 AM
The "it's not a single" cries coming as soon as it fails to debut on Hot 100 it might not have been but why not mention it earlier and save all the agro of this thread and the past month!?
QUOTE(365 @ Oct 17 2019, 12:29 AM)
To me this wasn't even a grower, the hooks were pretty instant - and i think the 'Hula Ula/ Jeweller ' line is kind of genius (Something very Ariana). I get that it's a totally different vibe that you'd expect from Katy, but I'd actually say of the 3 singles released this would have been the most commercially viable (Yes, even more than NRO - despite me obviously preferring that). This just feels like the most 'current' she's been in a long time. So it's a shame they wasted their time with Small Talk; which I never fully got on board with (neither did many others), because I assume that one's underperformance might have hindered the amount of support this gets so soon afterwards.
She looks fantastic in the video too.
QUOTE(365 @ Nov 1 2019, 02:12 AM)
Virgin EMI literally sent a press release to our offices the day before the song came out saying 'please note this is not a single'.
(I assume it was originally planned as a full single but Small Talk's performance gave them cold feet, so they decided to chuck it out on a Wednesday and not send it to radio)
Lol
Why not mention in advance it wasn't a single??
Posted by: Voodoo 1st November 2019, 11:35 AM
Of course it IS a single.
Posted by: JosephStyles 1st November 2019, 12:32 PM
QUOTE(365 @ Nov 1 2019, 02:12 AM)
Virgin EMI literally sent a press release to our offices the day before the song came out saying 'please note this is not a single'.
(I assume it was originally planned as a full single but Small Talk's performance gave them cold feet, so they decided to chuck it out on a Wednesday and not send it to radio)
I can verify I saw a photo of the press release a day before Harleys came out. It's not a single and it's not a case of "lol it's flopping so let's sweep it under the rug", or we'd be arguing it for Small Talk too. Not being sent to radio is a big indicator of the fact it's not a single. The insistence on the fact it obviously IS!!!111! a single is a little confusing when the evidence says otherwise!
Posted by: Nick Jonas 4th November 2019, 09:53 AM
It’s been added to Capital FM’s playlist, so looks like it is a single after all.
Posted by: Lil Xeph 4th November 2019, 01:28 PM
QUOTE(Nick Jonas @ Nov 4 2019, 09:53 AM)
It’s been added to Capital FM’s playlist, so looks like it is a single after all.
It's been on there since release but that proves nothing. They supported Oops by Little Mix for weeks and that was never a single.
Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 4th November 2019, 01:44 PM
QUOTE(Medellíam @ Oct 30 2019, 08:47 PM)
Nah, even the fans didn't want that.
!!
Posted by: davidas 4th November 2019, 02:05 PM
Tried so hard to like it, but I still don't like it
Posted by: JüpaHulaHula 4th November 2019, 11:56 PM
I love it! The hula hula jeweler jeweler line is so stupid yet catchy
Posted by: Voodoo 8th November 2019, 08:15 PM
Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 10th November 2019, 02:03 PM
So what happened with this in the end?
Posted by: Nick Jonas 10th November 2019, 02:48 PM
QUOTE(Big Boobs Vjay! @ Nov 10 2019, 02:03 PM)
So what happened with this in the end?
Nothing.
Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 10th November 2019, 03:57 PM
Oh.
Posted by: HauntedHaus 10th November 2019, 04:14 PM
It's not a single so it doesn't matter
Posted by: SKOB 10th November 2019, 04:17 PM
Buzzjack loves some buzz tracks
Posted by: JosephStyles 10th November 2019, 04:22 PM
lol
Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 10th November 2019, 04:22 PM
This buzz track should have been the second single!
Posted by: Nick F1 12th November 2019, 07:44 PM
at this thread and this not being single. It has two videos, official single cover, promo singles doesn't get that.
anyway such a shame that this single flopped, it has that Katy feel good vibe.
Posted by: Cqmerqn 12th November 2019, 10:18 PM
‘Official single cover’ what do you mean? EVERY promo single has an artwork
What?
Posted by: lewistgreen 12th November 2019, 10:24 PM
Remixes are out tomorrow
Posted by: kye 12th November 2019, 10:47 PM
QUOTE(Cqmerqn @ Nov 12 2019, 10:18 PM)
‘Official single cover’ what do you mean? EVERY promo single has an artwork
What?
do they all get remixes though?
Posted by: JosephStyles 12th November 2019, 10:55 PM
Harleys was intended to be single 2 before we knew Small Talk so I assume these remixes were commissioned then?
Posted by: Nick F1 13th November 2019, 12:02 AM
QUOTE(Cqmerqn @ Nov 12 2019, 11:18 PM)
‘Official single cover’ what do you mean? EVERY promo single has an artwork
What?
The song got full single treatmant, that is what I meant when I said video, official cover etc And now remixes are out. My ass promo song
Posted by: HauntedHaus 13th November 2019, 06:49 AM
Remixes too so much support for this eventual album track (if we get an album)! Her team are amazing, they even promote non singles to death!
Posted by: Jay ☆ 13th November 2019, 07:41 AM
QUOTE(Nick F1 @ Nov 13 2019, 12:02 AM)
The song got full single treatmant, that is what I meant when I said video, official cover etc And now remixes are out. My ass promo song
It keeps being pointed out that it’s not been sent to radio though. Why would the label opt against that? That makes it lack “full single treatment” for a major artist such as Katy Perry. Every prior single had radio, including Small Talk.
Posted by: Cqmerqn 13th November 2019, 08:05 AM
It was meant to be a single, but they scrapped it prior to release. Why is that so difficult to understand lmao.
Why would they not release the vertical video/remixes that they spent money on?
Posted by: JosephStyles 13th November 2019, 08:14 AM
QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Nov 13 2019, 07:41 AM)
It keeps being pointed out that it’s not been sent to radio though. Why would the label opt against that? That makes it lack “full single treatment” for a major artist such as Katy Perry. Every prior single had radio, including Small Talk.
QUOTE(Cqmerqn @ Nov 13 2019, 08:05 AM)
It was meant to be a single, but they scrapped it prior to release. Why is that so difficult to understand lmao.
Why would they not release the vertical video/remixes that they spent money on?
Preach. Why would the label deliberately hold it back from radio? They would surely want radio to be all over it ASAP?
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 13th November 2019, 12:24 PM
Is it a case of it definitely not being sent to radio, or radio just simply not playlisting it after what happened with 'Small Talk'?
I'm not entirely convinced by this "buzz single" theory.
Posted by: blacksquare 13th November 2019, 12:44 PM
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Nov 13 2019, 12:24 PM)
Is it a case of it definitely not being sent to radio, or radio just simply not playlisting it after what happened with 'Small Talk'?
I'm not entirely convinced by this "buzz single" theory.
It's genuinely the case of it not being sent to radio — I gather plans changed after how poorly 'Small Talk' did.
I don't really understand their strategy. It all seemed promising at the start of the year (in theory) with the features and then 'Never Really Over' being an undeniably great comeback... which they let die.
Posted by: RobBob 13th November 2019, 12:48 PM
I support whichever theory makes this seem less like a mistake. So, promo single it is!
Posted by: JosephStyles 13th November 2019, 03:16 PM
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Nov 13 2019, 12:24 PM)
Is it a case of it definitely not being sent to radio, or radio just simply not playlisting it after what happened with 'Small Talk'?
I'm not entirely convinced by this "buzz single" theory.
It definitely has not been sent to radio.
Posted by: Jonjo 13th November 2019, 03:58 PM
It's exactly the same situation as Strip by Little Mix.. I don't get why everyone is so confused/adamant that it is a single!? Lmao.
Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 13th November 2019, 04:03 PM
You mean by Simon Cowell? x
Posted by: Medellíam 13th November 2019, 04:04 PM
If it is a buzz single then I'm not sure what their strategy is. I mean, buzz for what? They need to focus on getting her actual singles to do well before worrying about 'buzz' singles - surely the whole point of them is to capitalise on the hype that's been gained from the official singles?
Posted by: JosephStyles 13th November 2019, 04:11 PM
It was meant to be the second single, with the video filmed and, I assume, the remixes commissioned, but for some baffling reson they moved onto Small Talk. Instead of completely abandoning the song, they decided to release it with the video and remixes, just not send it to radio. There's no real strategy, I assume they're just not wanting this track hanging over them any longer and they'll start fresh next year?
Posted by: kye 13th November 2019, 05:06 PM
QUOTE(Jonjo @ Nov 13 2019, 03:58 PM)
It's exactly the same situation as Strip by Little Mix.. I don't get why everyone is so confused/adamant that it is a single!? Lmao.
for the record, i don't think anyone's confused that it's not a single - i think they just don't buy it
Posted by: Nick Jonas 13th November 2019, 10:33 PM
QUOTE(kye @ Nov 13 2019, 05:06 PM)
for the record, i don't think anyone's confused that it's not a single - i think they just don't buy it
Literally no one has bought it - that’s the problem
Posted by: HauntedHaus 13th November 2019, 10:40 PM
!!
Also can Buzzjack Music Forum let Official Charts Company and Billboard.com know that it's not a single please, because both have referred to it as one.
Posted by: Medellíam 13th November 2019, 10:47 PM
QUOTE(Nick Jonas @ Nov 13 2019, 10:33 PM)
Literally no one has bought it - that’s the problem
I was thinking the same!
Posted by: JosephStyles 13th November 2019, 10:52 PM
QUOTE(Nick Jonas @ Nov 13 2019, 10:33 PM)
Literally no one has bought it - that’s the problem
What has this got to do with anything? It wasn't a single from the moment of its release, when nobody COULD have bought it. It's been pointed out more than once.
Posted by: Medellíam 13th November 2019, 10:56 PM
QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Nov 13 2019, 10:52 PM)
What has this got to do with anything? It wasn't a single from the moment of its release, when nobody COULD have bought it. It's been pointed out more than once.
It was a pun!
Posted by: HauntedHaus 13th November 2019, 11:16 PM
Her label literally retweeted tweets that called it a single... she needs to fire whoever runs the label's Twitter.
Posted by: #Justice4Wonho 13th November 2019, 11:16 PM
QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Nov 13 2019, 02:52 PM)
What has this got to do with anything? It wasn't a single from the moment of its release, when nobody COULD have bought it. It's been pointed out more than once.
r/whooosh
in all seriousness I’m on the fence about this. Like I get that this is a promo single but idk if the reason is that they don’t wanna promote something right now or if this is Michael calling his first BJSC entry his “buzz entry” teas
QUOTE(HauntedHaus @ Nov 13 2019, 03:16 PM)
Her label literally retweeted tweets that called it a single... she needs to fire whoever runs the label's Twitter.
i mean it is a single...
...a promotional single. It’s in the name.
Posted by: HauntedHaus 13th November 2019, 11:23 PM
Yeah exactly, it's a (heavily promoted) promo single.
Promo single =/= NOT A SINGLE!!1
but as mentioned, WHAT is she promoting? Her album that she has said is only coming if there's a demand? What a mess.
Posted by: #Justice4Wonho 13th November 2019, 11:27 PM
i wish 365 got this amount of promo though </3
Posted by: Jay ☆ 13th November 2019, 11:29 PM
I wouldn't consider this song as having been "heavily promoted". At least compared to pretty much everything else she's released in the past, this has been a rather low key affair (I don't think its existence on YouTube and streaming, backed by some tweets to alert people to it, counts as heavy promotion).
Posted by: Jay ☆ 13th November 2019, 11:36 PM
QUOTE(#Justice4Wonho @ Nov 13 2019, 11:27 PM)
i wish 365 got this amount of promo though </3
(Not sure if this is a joke, but) 365 received everything Harleys has received (music video, artwork, remixes) but most importantly... it was sent to radio!!!, so therefore it got more exposure than Harleys. We can call a spade a spade when it comes to 365, it didn't do well at all.
Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 13th November 2019, 11:41 PM
IT WAS A BUZZ ENTRY BEFORE MY REAL FIRST ENTRY!!!
Posted by: Jonjo 13th November 2019, 11:43 PM
There was an official email that was leaked a couple of days before that said this wasn't going to be an official single (I even joked about it myself and said to a couple of people "they mean "if this hits more than we expect then we'll push it as a single"") The label haven't sent it out to radio, officially (which is a big indicator, especially in the US). It was a planned single that got scrapped after the video was made and switched in place of Small Talk. ST bombing obviously put them in panic mode and they decided to just get this out there for the fan - seeing as they had a video shot for it, so that they can brush over this.. era (?) and start something new in the future, I imagine (in a similar way to how Rita's management glossed over IWNLYD/Poison/Body On Me and didn't release anything until about 3 years later).
Also, OOI what promotion has this song had?
Posted by: Jonjo 13th November 2019, 11:45 PM
OMG I MEAN "fanS"!!! fml
Posted by: Medellíam 13th November 2019, 11:49 PM
There was literally no need for the record company to panic, they should have just swept 'Small Talk' under the carpet as quickly as possible and gave this a proper push. By putting out as a buzz single, they're adding to the confusion and are spoiling the momentum that they built with 'Never Really Over'. They were lucky with that being as big of a hit as it was, I'm not sure they'll be so lucky next time if they intend on starting over.
Posted by: Jonjo 13th November 2019, 11:58 PM
QUOTE(Medellíam @ Nov 13 2019, 11:49 PM)
There was literally no need for the record company to panic, they should have just swept 'Small Talk' under the carpet as quickly as possible and gave this a proper push. By putting out as a buzz single, they're adding to the confusion and are spoiling the momentum that they built with 'Never Really Over'. They were lucky with that being as big of a hit as it was, I'm not sure they'll be so lucky next time if they intend on starting over.
I agree. The main fault with pushing Small Talk, imo, was that they did it SO close to NRO peaking and prevented that from going that little bit further. I get why a lot of artists "rush release" nowadays, but it only makes sense when they're glossing over a song that wasn't quite as big a hit as it should've been. NRO was on it's way to being a huge hit and potentially peaking higher, had they not glossed over it as quickly as they did with ST.
(P.s. when I said they panicked (and basically 90% of my above post aha), it's basically just my reading of the whole situation and it probably didn't happen )
Posted by: Jay ☆ 14th November 2019, 12:04 AM
I will always wish that the label had stuck to their initial plan of going with Harleys second. Not really sure what they/Katy heard in Small Talk that made them think it was worth going with that instead.
I think the label needed to give Never Really Over a bit more breathing space before moving on. They released Small Talk on 9th August, at which point NRO hadn't quite died off. If they'd gone with Harleys instead, I think something like 30th August would have been a good time to strike with it.
The label cutting their losses and essentially putting out Harleys for the sake of it (which is my perspective on how this has been treated) is a shame. I believe it had more potential than that, and they've wasted it. I agree that it is going to cause confusion and ultimately serves to extend the "flop" narrative, which really isn't what Katy needs right now. It seems that the label felt it was more worthwhile putting out what they'd worked on, rather than letting it go unreleased... just without the pressure of striving for a hit single via focus on radio. It's all very messy.
When it comes to the UK, its chart run here is not much worse than Small Talk's, despite the fact that Small Talk had radio and a Friday release (let's remember that Harleys was on a Wednesday). To me that demonstrates that Harleys had better potential.
43-58-71-69-79-92 Small Talk 45-62-73... Harleys in Hawaii
It's kind of frustrating that Katy probably has to go back to the drawing board again, after what was a very good start of course correction with Never Really Over. It's not nice to see her floundering.
Posted by: Jonjo 14th November 2019, 12:05 AM
This was found on her official site:
Posted by: Medellíam 14th November 2019, 12:07 AM
QUOTE(Jonjo @ Nov 13 2019, 11:58 PM)
I agree. The main fault with pushing Small Talk, imo, was that they did it SO close to NRO peaking and prevented that from going that little bit further. I get why a lot of artists "rush release" nowadays, but it only makes sense when they're glossing over a song that wasn't quite as big a hit as it should've been. NRO was on it's way to being a huge hit and potentially peaking higher, had they not glossed over it as quickly as they did with ST.
(P.s. when I said they panicked (and basically 90% of my above post aha), it's basically just my reading of the whole situation and it probably didn't happen )
I guess they may have wanted to capitalise on the success of 'Never Really Over' but I agree they should have waited, plus following up a song so full of life and personality with something so pedestrian was never going to capture the same interests.
Tbf it is logical that they panicked, there has to be some reason why this hasn't received full single treatment and the idea that they wanted to put it out there since it was ready and waiting but also wanted to move on and re-start sounds most realistic.
Posted by: Jonjo 14th November 2019, 12:10 AM
QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Nov 14 2019, 12:04 AM)
I will always wish that the label had stuck to their initial plan of going with Harleys second. Not really sure what they/Katy heard in Small Talk that made them think it was worth going with that instead.
I think the label needed to give Never Really Over a bit more breathing space before moving on. They released Small Talk on 9th August, at which point NRO hadn't quite died off. If they'd gone with Harleys instead, I think something like 30th August would have been a good time to strike with it.
The label cutting their losses and essentially putting out Harleys for the sake of it (which is my perspective on how this has been treated) is a shame. I believe it had more potential than that, and they've wasted it. I agree that it is going to cause confusion and ultimately serves to extend the "flop" narrative, which really isn't what Katy needs right now. It seems that the label felt it was more worthwhile putting out what they'd worked on, rather than letting it go unreleased... just without the pressure of striving for a hit single via focus on radio. It's all very messy.
When it comes to the UK, its chart run here is not much worse than Small Talk's, despite the fact Small Talk had radio and a Friday release (let's remember that Harleys was on a Wednesday). To me that demonstrates that Harleys had better potential.
43-58-71-69-79-92 Small Talk 45-62-73... Harleys in Hawaii
It's kind of frustrating that Katy probably has to go back to the drawing board again, after what was a very good start of course correction with Never Really Over. It's not nice to see her floundering.
Agreed completely. Harleys as the 2nd single at the end of August would have been perfect timing and I think it would have been a decent hit for her following NRO as they struck whilst the iron was hot, but not too hot. I assume they believed ST to replicate NRO's success as it's quite similar in it's sound/it's more sonically cohesive with NRO than Harleys is, but I feel like Harleys would have been one of those riskier choices that ultimately paid off for her.
Posted by: kye 14th November 2019, 12:16 AM
whoever made the decision to move this clear late-summer single to an autumn release needs a good telling off.
it’s just not going to gel when everything -the video, the vibe of the track, her look - screams sunshine. some may not think that’s important but the connotation that the visuals from a single provides is really what connects you to a track (especially when it’s not being played on radio/in clubs etc).
Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 14th November 2019, 12:24 AM
QUOTE(kye @ Nov 14 2019, 12:16 AM)
whoever made the decision to move this clear late-summer single to an autumn release needs a good telling off.
it’s just not going to gel when everything -the video, the vibe of the track, her look - screams sunshine. some may not think that’s important but the connotation that the visuals from a single provides is really what connects you to a track (especially when it’s not being played on radio/in clubs etc).
100% THIS!!!
Posted by: #Justice4Wonho 14th November 2019, 12:49 AM
the way they handled Small Talk was just a giant mistake lol.
Right now it looks like the label have no idea what to establish for an endgame. Would they go the Halsey route and, if they plan on releasing one, scrap ST from the album, put Harley’s in there instead and then release a proper single in 2020? Would they end up starting from scratch and then add NRO as a bonus track? Or will they go the Ariana route and just start from square one? RN I have no idea what they’re planning if they do plan on creating an album in the near future.
Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 20th November 2019, 02:46 PM
Even though this is a better track than 'Small Talk', I find it hard to believe they don't have anything better than even this up their sleeve if they had a barnstormer like NRO.
Posted by: Voodoo 21st November 2019, 08:03 PM
Yep, definitely not a single!!!1
Posted by: JosephStyles 22nd November 2019, 07:13 AM
That literally changes nothing.
Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 22nd November 2019, 08:18 AM
Wtf was that
Posted by: HauntedHaus 22nd November 2019, 04:35 PM
Why did I just watch 3 minutes of someone blatantly pretending like he didn't know it was Katy Perry under the helmet and then forcing a shocked reaction when he eventually saw her? :')
Posted by: Cqmerqn 22nd November 2019, 10:09 PM
QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Nov 22 2019, 07:13 AM)
That literally changes nothing.
!!!
Posted by: davidas 11th December 2019, 11:25 AM
God that video was awful!
Posted by: Tafty³³³ 22nd September 2023, 10:54 PM
This song is starting to go somewhat viral on Tik Tok thanks to this (I'm sorry but it's hilarious!!) meme!
(Would LOVE for this song to get some kind of 2nd wind though! So, SO underrated!)
Posted by: Ansel 22nd September 2023, 11:15 PM
My FYP is full of this rn! And the way it's not even the first time it's gone viral - the demand is there but the promo wasn't. So many comments like "wait this is Katy Perry?" and "we need her back". It's already done pretty well for itself considering its initial performance (400M+ on Spotify!) but it so deserves a Cruel Summer moment.
Posted by: RobBot 23rd September 2023, 03:46 AM
Yeah, this song always seems to go semi viral on TikTok out of all Katy songs, which is weird but refreshing. Still sounds so great to me, proper underrated moment
Posted by: Voodoo 23rd September 2023, 07:22 AM
Now we need Small Talk to go viral. It's one of her most underrated singles ever.
Posted by: Moby Dick 23rd September 2023, 01:46 PM
Why did this song flop again? It is an BOP
Posted by: Voodoo 23rd September 2023, 05:19 PM
QUOTE(Moby Dick @ Sep 23 2023, 04:46 PM)
Why did this song flop again? It is an BOP
Because of her hair, becoming woke and supporting Hillary.
Posted by: Cow P 24th September 2023, 05:09 PM
That part used to be stuck in my head back in 2021, when it became a viral thing on Asian TikTok.
Posted by: Mack. 24th September 2023, 05:16 PM
Because people didn't want to stream it.
Posted by: Bjork 27th September 2023, 01:23 PM
been reading for ages that this song is the #1 viral song but it's not translating into streams, don't think it's been top 200 on Spotiy, Apple, Amazon
Posted by: Jessie Where 27th September 2023, 03:23 PM
It wasn't even pushed as a proper single, that's probably why it didn't do much at the time.
Plus this was in the wake of spectacularly torpedoing any momentum she'd built with 'Small Talk'.
Posted by: Voodoo 27th September 2023, 08:48 PM
QUOTE(Jessie Where @ Sep 27 2023, 06:23 PM)
It wasn't even pushed as a proper single
It was sent to radio, got a pretty expensive music video and had remixes commissioned, so yeah, it definitely got a proper push as a single.
Posted by: Jessie Where 27th September 2023, 08:59 PM
Well Radio 1 didn't playlist it, which means at least in the UK at least it definitely wasn't considered a "single"
In fact, this thread even says promo single so that must be the general consensus. Although it definitely would have been a better choice than 'Small.Talk' as the proper single to follow NRO (as would several others on the album)
Posted by: blacksquare 28th September 2023, 05:37 PM
I wonder how different things would have been if this and Never Really Over followed Prism
She mustn't want to be famous anymore!
This is just so understated and smooth. It's so chill and it really suits her! Those adlibs at the end *.*
