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Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 04:09 PM

a lot of people are for and against spin-offs, and this contest should be democratic so let's give people a chance to air their opinions

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

Any further comments/suggestions?

Posted by: Pavel 22nd January 2009, 04:32 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Sure

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
Regular

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
After BJSCXIII. Why wait so long I wanna try this idea

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
1/2 times a year, but not more than it

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
Well, it's not that new theme - but 'male' one is the most pleasant for me. Specific country, genre (even band OMG ), 'your most favourite song of all time' theme contest , maybe specific LETTER artist's MAIN name starts with (e.g. if 'g' then GA, Lady GaGa, Garbage etc.), 'love' or any other word features in the name of the song, EUROVISION SONG CONTEST SONGS My fantasy is overloaded with this kind of suggestions

Any further comments/suggestions?
The host should be the highest finished NON-yet-host in the BJSCXIII

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 04:43 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

yes I would, I think that they could be very interesting and FSR Rontvia would participate in anything BJSC related

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

depends on how low-key they are destined to become...if hardly anyone wants to enter then they might as well run parallel, or at least in between normal contests...if 40+ countries want to participate, they'd have to be in place of the normal contests realistically

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

between XIV and XV, although between XV and XVI would be perfectly fine

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

no more than 2 or 3 times a year, so every 4-6 months maybe

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

-'Cover versions'
-'Male only'
-'Particular countries only e.g. a German artists only contest!'
-'UK No.1's'
-'UK No.2's'
-'Cheap entries'
-'Worst song'
-'Songs only by artists who have never had a UK top 75 single/top 40 album (check Polyhex/Everyhit for confirmation)'

Any further comments/suggestions?

No

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 04:47 PM

I love some of these suggestions, especially the 'favourite song of all time one' although mine has already been entered, Set You Free by N-Trance, so I'd have to send Shakira's Hips Don't Lie

I love the 'word' contest idea too, for this one, the host should get to pick the word and everyone has to find a song with that word in the title! and I definitely approve of the ESC related contest, although I doubt many BJSC participants would go for that one

Posted by: Hand-Jon 22nd January 2009, 04:56 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Depends on if it happens too often or not.

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
Parallel

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
Give it a try after XIII I guess

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
About twice a year... 3 times, depending on how spaced out they are...

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
"One hit Wonders"
"Cheap Contest"
"Indie/Rock/Alternative Contest"
"Males Only Contest"
"Acoustic/Candlelight Remix Contests"

EDIT: "Live Performances" & "Covers Only"

Any further comments/suggestions?
As long as it doesn't happen TOO often I will be happy to participate
And whoever win's the Spin off contests, they should be the one's to decide the theme of the next spin off as well as host it (If they want to host it)

Posted by: Hand-Jon 22nd January 2009, 04:57 PM

Only if I can enter Kate Ryan - Je T'adore

Posted by: .j.tbh. 22nd January 2009, 04:58 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Yes

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
I think 'in the place of' is a good idea, i can't concentrate on two at a time :/ I thought the Best Of/Rejects was a bit messy :/

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
For the next contest (After XIII)

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
2 contests, then a spin-off....

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
Cheesy pop
Songs from Films
Favourite Songs
Male Only
#10 hits
Chav songs
Songs rlated to food (though the Fast Food Song should be banned )

Any further comments/suggestions?
Songs that have already been entered in a normal contest should be allowed to be entered under STRICT circumstances (for example: someone's favourite song may have bbeen entered into the BJSC before)

Posted by: Pavel 22nd January 2009, 04:58 PM

Me either but who knows. ESC has had so many amazing songs that can do well in this though.

Posted by: Pavel 22nd January 2009, 05:00 PM

Actually I love film songs theme. It might do well. Really.

Posted by: James. 22nd January 2009, 05:03 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Yes, as long as i host it

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

Parallel

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

Give it a try after XIII

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Like every 3 contests?

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

Cheap Songs
US and UK #1s
One Hit Wonders
Film songs

Any further comments/suggestions?

Let me host the first one.

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 05:03 PM

I love the acoustic/candlelight contest idea, although we might have to tweak the rules a bit to allow Yanou to be used more than once

I agree about 2 or 3 per year, the idea of having one after every 3 contests is a bit excessive, maybe one in every 5 or 6 contests is more apt

Posted by: Hand-Jon 22nd January 2009, 05:05 PM

Added Live Performance Special to my suggestions!

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 05:06 PM

love this one, we'd need to find a database that gives us all of the No.10 hits though!

but chav songs...only if N-Dubz are banned

Posted by: Trashlexis 22nd January 2009, 05:20 PM

I actually considered #10 hits as one! Only if I can send A&E though And Song #1 is MINE if we do ESC

Posted by: Sabrewulf238 22nd January 2009, 05:21 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Sure, usually but there might be the odd time I wouldn't feel like it.

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

Parallel! Parallel! Parallel! Especially since there are bound to be people not too interested in spinoffs and if they're in place of the main contest those people might lose interest in the contest completly. (Plus I don't want to wait an extra month to send the song I really love at the moment )

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

Not answering this because they shouldn't be in place of regular BJSC contests. They should be an optional contest alongside the main one.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Hmm........either once a month(may be a bit much though) or perhaps once every 2-3 months.

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

Here are some ideas:

Buzzjack Dance Contest (BJDC) - We send videos of different Dances and vote in the usual eurovision way.
Cheap Spinoff - Not a real idea but it would be funny to have a contest where everyone was told the enter the cheapest song they could find
Disney Song Spinoff - Not sure if this will go down well but we should have a contest where we enter a song from a Disney movie.
Video Game Song Spinoff - This is a spinoff where we enter songs that have been heard in videogames.

Any further comments/suggestions?

The first host should be Nickthenoodle.

Posted by: Pavel 22nd January 2009, 05:24 PM

I forgot A&E was Top 10 I feel that 'Molitva' would flop miserably if we did ESC

Posted by: Aaron™ 22nd January 2009, 05:37 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Yes, unless it's a theme I really wouldn't want to bother listening to.

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
In place of. I think the reason we're having them is to have 10 contests in a year anyway. In fact I probably wouldn't enter if spin-offs ran parallel because I'd rather focus on the main contest.

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
Whenever, I'm not exactly waiting to enter any songs to either contest.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
However often they need to happen. I would rather have as many official contests as possible though.

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
Right, I'm not so good at saying what I do want but I know what themes I'm not particularly interested in. Basically anything that could make a decent entry to the main contest would be a no for me. To me the idea of a spin-off is that the songs should also be spin-off songs that you wouldn't send to the main contest but would to the spin-off, it may as well be BJSC X-- with a stipulation if that's the route we take.

I'm also not fond of the worst contest idea. I don't want to spend hours listening to intentionally bad songs. (cue the 'your taste is rubbish anyway' comments) Y'know, it's good to discover new, good songs but not so much new rubbish songs.

So that really doesn't leave much room for themes. I like the cheap entry idea, but we kinda have the record of the decade game TIP does for that kinda thing. Maybe I'm not so pro-spin-offs as I thought as the only themes I can see being complacent with are things like Eurovision songs and my knowledge of those only starts in 2008 bar the obvious ones.

Any further comments/suggestions?
I think I kinda did this in the previous question - heh. This is completely contradictory to what I just said, but maybe have no themes for the spin off and rather than having semis make it into two contests. You could send whatever you like without worrying about qualifying, though most people do that anyway so that would be a problem. I don't know how people would feel about being separated from other countries either so it's a bit of a rubbish idea really.

Posted by: tombliboo 22nd January 2009, 05:57 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

I would consider it - though it would depend on what it was.

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

I would rather not see them at all, but if they were to come in I would suggest... not sure tbh. I think two contests in a month is a bit OTT but i really don't wanna see them replace a contest

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

Later please, I've got my BJSC 14 entry sorted and i don't really think it's ready to be launched in a weeks time

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Never - I reckon the one a year along with the Best of is enough

Any further comments/suggestions?

I really just don't get the point of having a contest in which you're limited to the songs you can send IMO the BJSC is all about discovering all kinds of new music which other people really like and which you've never heard before. By forcing people to send all male entries for example then it means some people may be compromised by being unable to send the entried they really want to.

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 06:03 PM

Gina G - FSR Rontvia - very much so

David would obviously send Love Shine A Light

edit: on second thoughts, I'd send Cool Vibes by Vanilla Ninja

Posted by: Cal 22nd January 2009, 06:09 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
No.

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
I don't want them to interfere with the BJSC contests. If you want a spin-off, PLEASE run them parallel.

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
Later. So much later that they'd have to run parallel.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
I don't care, just as long as they don't interfere with the regular BJSC.

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
...

Any further comments/suggestions?
DO NOT INTERFERE WITH THE BJSC. People are capable of having two parallel contests.

Posted by: Aaron™ 22nd January 2009, 06:29 PM

But both interfere with the BJSC then. If I want to enter both and they run parallel then that's interfering with the BJSC to me as I wouldn't be able to give my full attention to both contests. I dunno, I just don't see why people who don't want to be in the spin-offs have a problem with waiting an extra few weeks until the next contest.

Posted by: 6weeksatnumber7 22nd January 2009, 06:30 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Yes

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

Neither - There's 52 weeks a year, 2 weeks off for Xmas, two weeks off for Eurovision leaves 48 weeks = 10 regular contests, 1 spin-off, 1 best of. Break it up: 5 regular contests, Spin Off, 5 regular contests, Best Of.

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

After XVI and before XVII.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Once a year - see above.

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

One word titles.

Any further comments/suggestions?

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: thisispop 22nd January 2009, 06:51 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Yes Definitely

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

run sort of in between normal contests...should be more low key & have more time in advance to find song to fit theme.

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

First establish what the first theme is going to be, then run the competition after XIV.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Minimum 2, max 3 per year.

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

"Worst Songs - i.e. Car Crash that was so terrible I must play that track again bad"
"Cover versions"
"Comedy/Song Parodies"
"Live Performances only"
"Male Only"
"Retro themes - i.e. a track from the 1980s, etc"
"UK No.2's; etc"
"Film Themes"

Any further comments/suggestions?

No ..... bring it on!!!!

Posted by: Hand-Jon 22nd January 2009, 06:55 PM

Weird Al for me probably I LOVE This idea!

Actually Roy Chubby Brown - Yogi Bear for me

Posted by: Pavel 22nd January 2009, 06:55 PM

Parodies idea is lovely as well. I'm sending Britney - I'm Not A Girl... (MadTV)

Posted by: Harve 22nd January 2009, 07:54 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Yes
Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
I'd prefer to see them run in place of BJSC contests, but if a lot of people don't do them, it would ruin the entire competition imo, and would only work in parallel, but my answer is in place
If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
After XIV, because i don't follow Eurovision, though thats my personal opinion.
How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
After every 3 contests (so 3 a year)
If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
People have already mentioned them
Any further comments/suggestions?
I wish people'd try a spin-off before not wanting one.

Posted by: Cal 22nd January 2009, 07:56 PM

Sorry, I meant the schedule (such as altering it to every two months or something). I know people would have problems entering two contests at the same time. But I wouldn't like it if the BJSC was every two months. I'd lose interest pretty quickly.

They don't have to happen at exactly the same time. BJSC's schedule could be changed slightly so you have more time at the end of each month to run the spin off.

What you could have for BJSC is:

Song Confirmation: 2nd - 7th.
Semi-Final Voting: 7th - 12th
Final Voting: 11th -17th

The spin-off could happen around the 13th and last until the 30th.

That's 15 days for the BJSC and 17 days for the Spin-off.

Or if that doesn't work, you could have what 6weeksatnumber7 suggested:

5 regular contests, Spin Off, 5 regular contests, Best Of.

As long as BJSC isn't moved to every two months, then I'm happy.

Posted by: OrgasmicLust 22nd January 2009, 07:57 PM

OMFG i'm sending JIZZ IN MY PANTS if there's a comedy theme [DON'T STEAL ]

Posted by: Peter30 22nd January 2009, 08:09 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Yes

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
Definitely parallel. No question. To people who have said it depends how high/low key they are, but if they were running parallel it would be people who really want to do it participating and it would be low key anyways, but it would mean they can run pretty much constantly without causing too much disruption. People will obviously be pre-occupied with the regular contest if it took place instead. People say they couldn't focus on two contests at once, but if you don't want to then just don't do the spin-off. I'm sure it could be easily arranged that the finals etc don't exactly clash.

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
I'd really rather they weren't, but if they have to be, I'd say let's have a few more regular contests first, because we've only had 2 contests since the best of.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
Preferably not at all, but if they are in place of the real contest then once a year plus best of, and if alongside, then as many times as there is demand for. They don't have to be ongoing, they could just happen in a subforum when somebody has a good idea for one. I think they could run quite happily side by side.

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
Various genres perhaps, but mostly they should be songs that aren't allowed or wouldn't normally be entered in a regular contest.

Any further comments/suggestions?
If we MUST have them instead of regular contests I don't think songs from the spin-offs should be allowed in the regular contest, since the spin-off contests would be given equal status to regular contests. However if they ran alongside, which I am all for, I think you should be able to use them in regular contests as the spin-offs would be lower key. Who knows, they could even give people brilliant ideas for entries in the real one.

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 08:18 PM

from reading the various comments, I agree that they should run alongside the normal contest as completely separate entities instead of in replacement to regular contests...therefore, people who don't think they have the patience to listen to 80-odd new songs in the space of five weeks don't have to participate in the spin-offs and they wouldn't affect the regular contest in any way

I don't think it would interefere with the 10 contests a year plus Best Of idea as contest happen every 5 weeks or so anyway, it's not like we are going to have XIV at the end of February, most probably the first week of March

so if other's agree with this, we could probably have the first spin off at the end of February (around 21st-24th maybe) and then the final of XIV on 1st-3rd March maybe which would like usual be a 5 week gap between contests, we just would need to reach some sort of consensus on what sort of theme to do first

how would other people feel about this?

Posted by: Jester 22nd January 2009, 08:31 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Yes

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

Parallel to start with, then in place

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

Between XV and XVI would be better

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Every 3 contests

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

All Male
90s UK #1s
90s UK #2s
Novelty songs

Any further comments/suggestions?

Nope!

Posted by: Trashlexis 22nd January 2009, 08:59 PM

No no no - NOBODY is suggesting that the contest is every two months! Spin-offs would occur once, twice a year at most (along with the Best of).

Posted by: Aled. 22nd January 2009, 09:00 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Yes

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
Parallel definatly

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
After XIV, so VV Brown doenst look cheap in March

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
2/3 times a year maybe

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
Not really, no. Except for ones already mentioned. Girls Aloud album tracks spin off?

Posted by: Trashlexis 22nd January 2009, 09:01 PM

Could I make a suggestion? Could we begin by having one replace a contest (AFTER XIV, so don't say you weren't forewarned if this goes ahead) and then see where we go from there? We have no idea how busy these will be, so it seems a tad silly to have it running parallel when we have no realistic idea of how popular a spin-off will be, and if it turns out that the spin-off idea is very popular (done by a questionnaire after the contest asking if they would like another spin-off to run concurrently or in place of a contest afterwards), then we keep the format. If not, then run parallel. Sound like a good compromise?

Posted by: Cal 22nd January 2009, 09:15 PM

Gooood. Then continue on like I'm not here.

Posted by: .j.tbh. 22nd January 2009, 09:16 PM

A-M-A-Z-ING idea Trash

Posted by: Peter30 22nd January 2009, 09:22 PM

Hold on though. Whether the spin-offs are parallel or instead of does not depend on how many people take part! It is completely the other way around!

If they were parallel then they'd be lower key with probably 15-20 people taking part and if they were instead of regular contests then the majority would probably take part anyways.

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 09:25 PM

I'd be happy with this personally, it would give us good chance to agree on a theme/host and a good few weeks to formulate song ideas

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 09:29 PM

I think you'd be surprised, I could easily see 30+ countries taking part if it was parallel. I think some people might feel left out if they didn't take part in the spin-offs, I know I would

Posted by: James. 22nd January 2009, 09:38 PM

Posted by: Medicated Soap 22nd January 2009, 09:45 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Yes.

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

I would ONLY want them running parallel. =/ I'd actually be slightly pissed if they took the place of an actual contest.

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

After XIV.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Once in a while. I can see them being a lot of fun if they're lowkey. Lowkey ftw imo, and then we can have them more ofen and in between the ACTUAL contests.

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

NOT ESC SONGS. That would limit me to a ton of $h!t songs, sorry. =/ I like the male idea. Maybe an 80s / 90s contest? Letter idea could be fun. I actually like a lot of these ideas, just it would be great if these contests weren't HUGE things and such. BJSC is tiring enough in its own right, we don't need big side contests as well.

Any further comments/suggestions?

Only do this if they run parallel / inbetween.

I know people are saying that we sohuld do one spinoff instead of a BJSC but I think that's a terrible idea tbh. =/ I have a bunch of enries I'd like to send to the real thing and the side contests are not even close to as fun or exciting as the actual thing (they're fun but seriously? the best of was so blah for me. I didn't care at all). I think having them parallel, no matter how big, would work just fine and create even more excitement.

Posted by: .j.tbh. 22nd January 2009, 09:47 PM

Gawd...why are people making such a big deal out of when this is

Like the good ole' RobotKing once said, BJSC is just some 'contest on a computer'

Posted by: tombliboo 22nd January 2009, 09:49 PM

The fact is that this could never be a 'spin-off' as most people would take part (including myself) even if they weren't too keen on the idea which is why I don't think it could be run parallel.

Would it not make sense to hold it after BJSC 15?

Posted by: RobotKing 22nd January 2009, 09:55 PM

That was supposed to be the slogan

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 10:05 PM

So many conflicting opinions I'd be happy with either way but obviously it would not be a popular decision in general to have it impacting on any normal contests so parallel is looking like the most sensible choice, I just don't think it could ever be as low key as some would want it to be...

I quite enjoyed the Best Of but it must have been quite boring for people with no entries in the final, at least everyone could compete equally in these spin-offs

Posted by: tombliboo 22nd January 2009, 10:12 PM

which is why it can't run parallel - sorted

Posted by: gooddelta 22nd January 2009, 10:22 PM

I don't think we'll all come to the same agreement so the forum mods can decide the way forward, I suggest a poll with the most popular decision going forward

Posted by: Trashlexis 22nd January 2009, 10:22 PM

The reason I suggest a trial one to replace a contest is for two reasons: for one, to keep the amount of contests in a year to ten so we have a regular date for the Best of each year in November, which seemed to work well as a time last year just as new songs were drawing to a trickle (although some may argue January is a better time - we would need to find a way to accomodate 12 contests in one edition to do that, which would be fairly tough and it isn't something I'm keen on doing tbh...); and secondly most people seem to think of the Best of as representative of what a spin-off would be like - it isn't, so this would be a sample for you all. As I said, if it doesn't work it won't become a regular occurrence as a replacement for a contest and we'll have to find another way or *gasp* have a month without the contest (although it won't work quite like that - it'll just be a month with a longer gap and the contest in the early part of the next month). As it is, the spin-off won't as such replace a contest, rather fill a slightly longer gap between two contests...I think it was a bad idea for whomever did so to label it as 'replacing' the contest *touches wood in event of it having been me *

Posted by: Trashlexis 22nd January 2009, 10:25 PM

I would do, but as I've said I think far too many people are going under the assumption that spin-offs will be just like the Best of, and will see a spin-off as 'robbing' them of a contest so to speak when all it'll be doing is adjusting the BJSC calendar so it doesn't end up conflicting with the ESC in May...

Posted by: Addy Bass 22nd January 2009, 10:39 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Of course

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

NA

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

After XIII

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

3 times in a year

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

hmmm non-english song contest (example...french, german, italian, spanish, romanian etcetc...maximum 3 songs for a language).

90's Eurodance songs(I would so love this...Snap,Dr.Alban,Ace Of Base, 2 Unlimited, Culture Beat, Maxx, Capella, Mark'Oh, Captain Hollywood, La Bouche etc etc.)

Any further comments/suggestions?

yeah lets give it a try.

Posted by: Medicated Soap 22nd January 2009, 10:45 PM

If these would run parallel to the actual contest, I would not be in support of spin-offs whatsoever. =/ I don't mind them being in between whatsoever, but I don't want any sort of delay or impact to the actual contests which are far more interesting than a spinoff could ever be.

Posted by: tombliboo 22nd January 2009, 10:58 PM

And so this arguement would then defeat Trash's purpose of having a spin off in order to limit it to 10 BJSCs in a year

I think we need someone in charge to just force this thing upon us as we're blatently never gonna be able to all agree. Atcherly do we have some sort of Mr. BJSC?

Posted by: Aaron™ 23rd January 2009, 12:17 AM

That would be Trashlexis I guess as he's the mod, alongside Boyan but he hasn't taken part this month so maybe he's lost interest.

This is just all too much. The idea of the spin-offs was to limit us to 10 a year so parallel wont work? If we have the Best Of in November we only need one or two spin-offs this year and then once we get in the routine it will only be one a year which isn't a BIG DEAL. :/

Jan - XIII
Feb - Spin Off
Mar - XIV
Apr - XV
May - XVI
Jun - XVII
Jul - Spin Off?
Aug- XVIII
Sep - XIX
Oct - XX
Nov - Best Of
Dec - XXI

So by next January it would be XXII which means we can get rid of one of the spin offs as it fixed the mistake we had by having XI before the first Best Of. Oh and, yes, I've not left a gap for May. I kinda figured that this isn't really linked to Eurovision any more so we don't really need to take a gap for it. If anyone really wants to spend time on Eurovision they can sit that contest out.

Posted by: Medicated Soap 23rd January 2009, 01:12 AM

I didn't realize we were limiting it to 10 a year? :/ Any specific reason...?

Posted by: 6weeksatnumber7 23rd January 2009, 01:24 AM

How about having a one week spin-off?

No reservation thread. No confirmation thread. Simply a posting of the start date and then first come first served sending your artist/song to the host over 3 days with no-one allowed to reveal which song they're thinking of submitting or confirming they've sent until voting is open. Then a 4 day voting period.

Sing submission starts 12:01am Sunday closes 11.59pm Tuesday. Voting starts 12:01am Wednesday closes 6:00pm Sunday. Quick and easy, relatively painless, won't effect the current schedule.

I'd be happy to host it.

Posted by: Peter30 23rd January 2009, 02:01 AM

Because Tyron thinks that we will actually manage to keep the BJSC to an exact schedule for years to come.

Posted by: gooddelta 23rd January 2009, 06:58 AM

I think Aaron's dates look quite feasible, if we were to have them in between as opposed to parallel

I also agree that we don't need time off for ESC, all of the songs for that will be known by March anyway

Posted by: The Fear 23rd January 2009, 10:36 AM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
If its BJSC releated count Ashton in

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

i think one a year in place of a regular contest isn't too bad.

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

give us a couple of months, i say April for the spin off.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Just once a year, like the best of

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

Ballads only
Songs by a particular producer eg xenomania

Any further comments/suggestions?

These can't detract from the main contest. Too much emphasis on spin offs and you risk pushing people away

Posted by: Pavel 23rd January 2009, 12:11 PM

No, 30+ ballads :/
Bigger NO. Whjo the F he is?

Posted by: The Fear 23rd January 2009, 12:33 PM

The producer behind Girls Aloud, Gabriella Cilmi and few Sugababes tracks.(Round Round, Hole In The Head, Ace Reject, My Love Is Pink, In The Middle....)

Posted by: Pavel 23rd January 2009, 12:48 PM

Oh But we will have to obey the 'uncheapness' rule and don't send some great artist :

Posted by: Mart!n 23rd January 2009, 12:53 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?

Nah

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests? Yes

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this? half way thru, otherwise you are waiting forever for the next proper competition, and if members have got their next song ready, it means they have to wait longer and there is no point in adding that track, as people will know it.

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen? Once a year

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes? No Comment

Any further comments/suggestions?

No comment

Posted by: Mart!n 23rd January 2009, 01:01 PM

The actual point of having BJSC14 is better, we had the best off in November 2 BJSC competitions, and a spin off, it seems if you go along that line it hasn't been that long ago since we had the best off, only had 2 BJSC compeitions, it just stops the flow of them, I would just limit the spin offs to 1 a year but I'm not really keen on them and I don't think I be taking part, along with the best off, and a break in May, as everyone will be talking about the Eurovision itself.

Posted by: Trashlexis 23rd January 2009, 02:44 PM

No - the Best of going after XI was intentional. We needed that for a) nominations and to reduce the bias towards X We wouldn't have two spin-offs taking place in a year in place of contests either, and we would still have a contest in May but it has to be timed so that it doesn't conflict with and detract from the ESC - also so I can devote my full attention to both forums that month

And we're limiting it to 10 a year Ben so we can a) have the Best of run at a regular point each year, annually, as it's hard to incorporate more than 10 contests into that and I'm not particularly keen on having it slip back further and further each year.

And 6weeksatnumber7, how do we prevent conflicts of artists? Surely you would have to reveal one of the entries if someone was intending on sending it but couldn't...

And Mart!n, can you please stop being ridiculous? How can you know if you're 'not really keen' on spin-offs when I've said time and time again that we haven't had a proper one yet?

Posted by: Trashlexis 23rd January 2009, 02:49 PM

For goodness sakes Mart!n! Give one a try before you trash it! You wouldn't be waiting 'forever', it would be a gap-filler for the longer 5 week gap required to adjust the calendar so we don't have ESC and the BJSC happening at the same time as each other, which makes things very hard for me as I do have to devote quite a bit of time to the ESC in the week leading up to the final; as well as disrupting attention for one or the other - I just consider it better if we don't have them conflcit and, in the process, give a spin-off a try.

Spin-offs:

- add something new and interesting to the BJSC calendar
- will not be very regular occurences
- adjust the BJSC calendar so it doesn't conflict
- keep the numbers of contests to 10 a year so the Best of in November isn't complicated
- will only be filling slightly longer gaps and will NOT keep people waiting forever!

It's a win-win situation, so could people at least try out one before judging them to be awful?

Posted by: 6weeksatnumber7 23rd January 2009, 02:54 PM

You just tell the person the song and/or artist has already been taken by PM. No big deal. Be keeping it to a week it doesn't effect any schedule - could hold it during the never ending reservation/confirmation fortnight which just seems to drag on forever.

Posted by: Mart!n 23rd January 2009, 02:59 PM

I get off my soapbox now.

I might reconsider if there was a European Version spin off, in different languages, at least after BJSC14 as some members have already got their next track planned like me and plus its so soon after the Best off, if its going to happen than do it in March/April, not so soon.

Posted by: Peter30 23rd January 2009, 03:15 PM

Argh have a damn spin-off then. To be honest it isn't the thought of spin-offs in themselves that annoy me, it is the thought of having one this month, just two after the best of. Wait a few months.

Maybe a spin-off would be a good thing to have during the ESC weeks? Because I really don't think we need a break for it...it's not like we're taking part, and like Trash has always said, the BJSC has really got so far removed from the ESC, surely having a break for the ESC would be taking a step backwards.

Maybe a compromise would be to have a spin-off during the ESC period, rather than a full-blown contest.

There you have to admit I've majorly come around to the idea in the last few days. Just please don't have one for a few months yet.

Posted by: Hand-Jon 23rd January 2009, 04:07 PM

Oooh a Different Language theme

Also how about a One Last Chance theme? We all send a song we thought deserved to do better than it did...

But i guess it'd be hard if your a country like Mdice, successful all the time

Posted by: Aaron™ 23rd January 2009, 04:49 PM

Oh yeah, I didn't think about that. It just seems to be odd to be in the 'next era' while the Best Of for the last one is going on but it's the best way to do it. I'm probably alone, but I'd like the spin-offs to take place in place of a contest. While some people don't like the long gap between real contests this offers, I reckon it's a bit of an overload of BJSC if they're placed between contests.

As for May, I think it's entirely up to whoever wins in April whether they want to host it during Eurovision. If you really think you'll be so busy with Eurovision week and the contest is held during that time, then you'll have to miss it out. I know it's not ideal but when other people are too busy/away they have to miss out contests if they overlap.

Posted by: Trashlexis 23rd January 2009, 05:15 PM

As I said above, we won't be having one after XIII After XIV, or even after the ESC in May does seem like a very attractive alternative actually...

Posted by: Trashlexis 23rd January 2009, 05:15 PM

It's not just that, it's also that I'd be unable to devote my full attention as a moderator to the contest - which reminds me I need to ask Boyan if he's still interested

Posted by: Aaron™ 23rd January 2009, 05:48 PM

Well I'm sure there are plenty of peple who would step in. But I get what you mean now.

Posted by: OrgasmicLust 23rd January 2009, 06:36 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Yes

Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?

Run pararell

If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?

I don't particualy mind

How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?

Four times a year (One every three months)

If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?

UK & US Number One's
Cover Versions
Boybands
Girlbands
Song's that failed to go Top 20


Any further comments/suggestions?

No

Posted by: Medicated Soap 23rd January 2009, 10:03 PM

:/ Meh if we're only going to have 10 contests per year you may as well not have it run parallel, not that I understand the logic behind that. Best Of could be one month and then 11 contests but whatevs.

I mean if we have to then go for it during the ESC, but it's not like all of us follow it (I sure don't as every single entry for it is nearly always complete crap).

I just don't like the idea of spinoffs taking place of regular contests. I like the idea of spinoffs themselves, but come on, what would you prefer, a real contest or a side one taking up an entire month?

Posted by: Aled. 23rd January 2009, 10:08 PM

We dont need a break for Eurovision at all though do we. I dont really understand how exactly it will get in the way?

Posted by: James. 23rd January 2009, 11:06 PM

^ Yeh, i never understood that one either

Posted by: tombliboo 24th January 2009, 03:24 PM

K so among this chaos I'm going to throw my weight behind two themes:

All male

Foreign language

If we're gonna have a spi off it might as well promote songs which don't traditionally get used in the BJSC

Posted by: gooddelta 24th January 2009, 03:36 PM

I could find loads of great entries for both of those themes

Posted by: Aaron™ 24th January 2009, 03:39 PM

I couldn't. I could probably do males but foreign languages? I'd probably send the Spanish version of "Waiting For Tonight" by J'Lo or maybe "Mi Chico Latino". (though that's a bit Spanglish )

Posted by: RobotKing 24th January 2009, 03:52 PM

I'm sure many would be distraught if Foreign Languages was the theme, because Westlife's Con lo Bien Que te Ves

Posted by: Trashlexis 24th January 2009, 03:57 PM

My point is that we can't accomodate 11 contests into a Best of without getting into logistical difficulties with the latter

Posted by: 6weeksatnumber7 24th January 2009, 04:03 PM

What's the logistic difficulty of having 11 songs instead of 10?

Posted by: Trashlexis 24th January 2009, 04:18 PM

Because it isn't just the winners! For a start, it would autoqualify eleven songs into the final, intead of ten, removing a qualification place for the nominees. Nominees would go up from 40 to 44, giving us 22 for each semi-final and only 9 qualifiers from each, which is harsh to say the least...

Posted by: The Fear 24th January 2009, 06:52 PM

a lot of very very good songs missed out on the final as it was.

[/not bitter at all]

Posted by: gooddelta 24th January 2009, 07:01 PM

I was surprised I Don't Know missed the final, now look at it as 'The Fear' topping everybody's personal chart and certain to be a UK No.1! I wonder what people missed in the song the first time round that they love about it now...

Posted by: tombliboo 24th January 2009, 07:06 PM

i believe Iwas the only one to give it a 12 in the semis

Posted by: The Fear 24th January 2009, 07:08 PM

which makes me even more bitter about missing that final


i think you were

Posted by: gooddelta 24th January 2009, 07:21 PM

you should scour all of the personal charts of countries who have the song at No.1 at the moment and see how many points they gave you in VI

Posted by: The Fear 24th January 2009, 07:23 PM

lol.

i'm not bitter about that, i lost out to a great song. i loved Black Butta.


I am however horridly bitter about the best of, because that was very very recent

Posted by: gooddelta 24th January 2009, 07:25 PM

GWB completely flopped in that though too...perhaps there was a minor Lily backlash on Buzzjack that has been resolved in the last two months

Posted by: The Fear 24th January 2009, 07:30 PM

i don't know, her forum has been pretty dead so its not a major overload.

She hadn't been really talked about in the forum, i think that if we were doing the best of now, i'd make it through

Posted by: gooddelta 24th January 2009, 08:07 PM

without a doubt, and it would probably come top 5

I doubt The Saturdays' Up would finish as high as third now either...it's just that it was big at the time of the Best Of

Posted by: The Fear 24th January 2009, 08:12 PM

i agree.

Up was just on the cusp of being cheap in BJSCX, by TBO it was major cheapness.

I'm quite glad i got to #2 over 7months before its release, 6months before she even announced it would get a release. Thats good enough for me.

Posted by: gooddelta 24th January 2009, 08:14 PM

you were quite the hit predicta! I find it odd that the BJSCVI runner up is about to replace the BJSCVII runner up as the UK No.1 will we see, BWO's Temple Of Love as the next UK No.1

Posted by: The Fear 24th January 2009, 08:20 PM

lol indeed. i got in there by a bigger margin than you did with Love Song or Ben did with IKAG.

Very happy for her, she deserves it.

i can't see BWO replacing The Fear lmao

Posted by: gooddelta 24th January 2009, 08:34 PM

those two were obvious hits, Love Song had already been a huge hit in the US and maybe not with I Kissed A Girl, but Katy Perry had been building a name for herself with Ur So Gay

there was always a chance Lily would release it I suppose but who would have known that the radio edit would have been 99% the same as the demo! good advanced hit finding skills there anyway

Posted by: The Fear 24th January 2009, 08:42 PM

thank you very much.

lets hope Lorelei hits the big time, or RBW.

Then i could make it two or three lol

Posted by: Addy Bass 24th January 2009, 10:58 PM

for me it really doesnt matter the time/month as far as the first spin-off is non-english song contest

Posted by: gooddelta 25th January 2009, 09:26 AM

does Lorelei have a decent record label behind her? I've still got everything crossed that 2009 is the year of Pixie, but I'm starting to doubt it

Posted by: Pavel 25th January 2009, 11:26 AM

Odd.

But you predicted Love Song to be a hit way before its release too

Posted by: gooddelta 25th January 2009, 11:28 AM

yes, when I found it on MySpace well before it was even thought of a US release

but I never thought of it as a BJSC entry until it had been in my chart for about 4/5 months, I'm surprised nobody beat me to it!

Posted by: Pavel 25th January 2009, 11:31 AM

How perfect would it be if you won BJSCI and due to the late release the song wouldn't be forgotten completely (like Britney's ATWK) til BO-BJSCI

Posted by: nickthenoodle 25th January 2009, 05:26 PM

Would you consider participating in spin-off contests?
Yes
Would you rather see them run parallel with or in place of regular BJSC contests?
Not sure
If they were to be in place of regular BJSC contests, would you prefer a spin-off to be after XIII, after XIV or later than this?
After XIII
How often do you feel that spin-off contests should happen?
Maybe a couple a year?
If you are willing to participate in spin-off contests, can you suggest any interesting themes?
New Music
Worst entries
UK Top 10's
Reality show contestants songs ?
Any further comments/suggestions?
:| Please let me qualify

Posted by: Medicated Soap 25th January 2009, 08:36 PM

Okay, I've come to terms with a spinoff replacing a regular contest. Still not overly happy, but I can deal. ;o

First on should be a foreign language contest I think.

Posted by: James. 25th January 2009, 08:37 PM

When will the first one of these be? Torchwood to host yes?

Posted by: gooddelta 25th January 2009, 08:38 PM

I doubt many people would go for that seeing as people generally hate foreign songs on here...I would love it though...

Posted by: Medicated Soap 25th January 2009, 08:39 PM

I think that's why it should be our first tbh...because it's so difficult to enter a foreign song into the actual competition. That should be the point of the spinoffs imo, a chance for people to enter songs that wouldn't fare as well in the actual competition.

There are plenty of great foreign songs out there. I have six in mind already as potential entries.

Posted by: Pavel 25th January 2009, 08:41 PM

I completely know that the host job is very hard, I'd not want to host it again as well EVER!

James FTH(ost)!

Posted by: Pavel 25th January 2009, 08:42 PM

1st Spin-off should be parodies or foregn languages songs

Posted by: pyryniemi 25th January 2009, 08:44 PM

foreign language spin-off would be great!

Posted by: Medicated Soap 25th January 2009, 08:51 PM

Parodies would be god awful and I would not enter.

Foreign language ftw. It'd be great to see.

Posted by: Pavel 25th January 2009, 08:58 PM

I bet you have loads of possible entries.

Posted by: Medicated Soap 25th January 2009, 09:00 PM

I never lawlz at songs? I could enter Flight of the Conchords I guess but. =/ Nah I don't think a parody contest would be all that fun. Foreign language would be the way to go, not sure what after.

Posted by: Pavel 25th January 2009, 09:02 PM

I meant entries for Foreign Contest.

Or am i being lame?

Posted by: gooddelta 25th January 2009, 09:03 PM

I wouldn't like to enter the parodies contest either to be fair...I can't think of any that I like

Posted by: Peter30 25th January 2009, 09:04 PM

Same here. Just not yet. And I'm not just saying that because I'm hosting the next one.

Posted by: Addy Bass 25th January 2009, 09:06 PM

Britney Spears- Im More Wizer

Posted by: Addy Bass 25th January 2009, 09:07 PM

yay for foreign language contest...hope it will be the first spinn-off theme.

Posted by: Addy Bass 25th January 2009, 09:07 PM

and whoever says its hard to find a foreign language song, its ridiculous...YOUTUBE helloooo

Posted by: Medicated Soap 25th January 2009, 09:11 PM

Oh I thought you were talking about parodies.

Posted by: Trashlexis 25th January 2009, 10:25 PM

A foreign language spin-off would be VERY good IMO

Posted by: James. 25th January 2009, 10:26 PM

I know what i'd enter too TORCHWOOD TO HOST. K IL STOP NOW.

Posted by: Aaron™ 26th January 2009, 01:39 AM

Quotosibb are so going to have the cheapest entry to this spin-off. Jennifer Lopez, Nelly Furtado or Shakira here I come.

Posted by: gooddelta 26th January 2009, 08:37 AM

you keep J.Lo and Nelly and I'll send La Tortura, which I was actually considering for BJSCI believe it or not

Posted by: James. 26th January 2009, 11:47 AM

For Cheapo James is so sending Poker Face

Posted by: Pavel 26th January 2009, 02:27 PM

Pokerface so needed to be entered instead of Paparazzi