Your thoughts Daniel on Round 1 for this AF game? Maybe we go with a Calvin classic first, but not a significant one (maybe Pray to God?)
Not sure how well Pray To God would do, it's close to exiting the Survivor and it wasn't even a top 20 hit. Although it did have somewhat of a cult following here so it'd probably (hopefully) survive into the next round. Let's go for it.
I think we should go Bounce next. We came 15th with PTG so we don’t have to go with his massive hits yet.
All good with me! PM it over when you can
Bounce turning out to be quite the risky choice. Looks likely we'll be in the playoff round oops!
I think we will make it through! I was thinking I Need Your Love next if we do?
We made it through by the skin of our teeth thank god 😂
Next one is a triple elimination so we need to up our game. INYL sounds good, I think that’s more liked than Outside if we’re going Ellie collabs.
We need to make sure we get the Rihanna collabs and One Kiss before the other AFs do too but it’s probably too early to bring those out.
Let’s go with I Need Your Love this round and then say One Kiss next?
Sounds good.
I’ve sent INYL for confirmation to Sam
So One Kiss has been taken from us by Dua but we still have We Found Love if we wanna be cheeky and send that before Rihanna get to it (judging by the survivor poll I don't think sending TIWYCF will do us much of a favour so it's WFL or nothing in terms of RiRi collabs).
We could also go for I'm Not Alone, How Deep Is Your Love or Sweet Nothing.
Yeah let’s snatch We Found Love next round
Looks like we’re going to be in the playoff with Billie then, we may not even make next round.
Noooo Paramore and Ariana are below us so we just need to inch ahead of Billie!
Ok it’s not happening is it
So it looks like we may go through then! We really got incredibly lucky with the Ari mods failing to submit and then Rihanna choosing a dud.
Now we don't have to worry about them snatching We Found Love too but I reckon we should send it anyway.
Yes definitely We Found Love next time
Yasss we made it. Could you PM Sam with We Found Love for our next entry once confirmations open
Have you confirmed We Found Love or do you want me to?
Confirmed it just now.
Once we're through with We Found Love we should go either How Deep Is Your Love, I'm Not Alone or Sweet Nothing, I suppose those are our best bets though we'll probably be out with one of them eventually.
I’d say I’m Not Alone next? Unless you have a preference for another one
Yeah, I'm Not Alone would probably get us through the next round despite the lack of a female vocalist. Then I think HDIYL and SN in that order (or the Spectrum remix in SN's place if that's allowed).
I’ll PM Sam with INA then.
Yes sounds good!
Looks like we’re gonna scrape through. How Deep Is Your Love next yeah?
Yeah go for it, that might be a bit risky but I think we’ll be out soon anyway.
Sending HDIYL to Jonjo.
Looks like we're going to be safely through this time I'm thinking Sweet Nothing for the next round?
Yes, definitely!
I’ve confirmed Sweet Nothing
Well we're coming last easily this round oops, but I'm not sure what we could have submitted which wouldn't put us in this position (I don't think Spectrum counts as a Calvin song as he wasn't credited officially - and I think that wouldn't have got many more votes) and we had to go out sometime.
If by some miracle we do get through, shall we go with Feel So Close or Acceptable in the 80s? (just in case)
Maybe TIWYCF to get the Rihanna vote?
So it looks like we'll be in the playoff against Cheryl. Dare I say we could actually go through to the next round?
Ooh I hope so!
Welp that’s us out, we did really well though!
Collating the rounds here so we can have a chat about what we're going to send
ROUND 1: FREE CHOICE
ROUND 2: A song that started an era
> Self explanatory. The first single from an era. <
ROUND 3: A song without an official music video
> Basically any song, that doesn't have an official music video uploaded to their official Youtube/VEVO channels <
ROUND 4: FREE CHOICE
ROUND 5: Worst single
> An official single that is either bottom 3 of their best sellers (singles released in March 2020 or after are ineligible - example: Little Mix can't use Break Up Song for this round) or it must've come bottom 3 in their singles rates <
ROUND 6: A non-top 75 charting hit
> Any song that didn't chart in the top 75, but charted on the UK charts. This doesn't HAVE to be a single. As long as it charted, but missed the T75 <
ROUND 7: A ballad album track
ROUND 8: SABOTAGE > This obviously all depends on which forums are left <
> You will be assigned a different forum to choose their entry <
ROUND 9: FREE CHOICE
ROUND 10: A remix, bonus track or B-side
ROUND 11: A collaboration
ROUND 12: FREE CHOICE
ROUND 13: A top 40 hit single
> A single that reached any position from #11 to #40 <
ROUND 14: A song that closed an era
> The final single of an era <
ROUND 15: Should've been a single
ROUND 16: FREE CHOICE
If we even make it that far, does Calvin even have a ballad?
A song that started an era
Eligible songs are: Acceptable in the 80s, I'm Not Alone, Bounce, Under Control, Slide
Depends on how strong the competition is, we probably won't last too long but we shouldn't send INA this early. 80s finished the 2nd highest in the rate out of that lot but all of them are popular.
A song without an official music video
has to be Slide for this one.
Worst single
That rate bottom 3 (Open Wide, Off The Record, Hype) all seem very much doomed but thankfully we have the option to go for bottom 3 sellers too (do we know what those are? I'm going to presume Merrymaking, Faking It and Nuh Ready [from official singles as a primary performer])
A non-top 75 charting hit
'Faking It' probably the best option for this, our only other options are 'Checklist', 'Slow Acid' and 'Cuba'. 'Checklist' we could perhaps do if we want to use 'Faking It' for Worst Single.
A ballad album track
'Ecstasy' is basically his only one isn't it?
Given they want to start tomorrow do we go strong with something like Promises?
I assume the other AF mods are going to send strong choices, so I don't think we should send any of the ones that could have a chance to go to the next round instead of strongest picks we could use for later rounds in the first round. That said, I agree that "Promises" is a good pick to begin, so we could go with the following in the first three rounds:
Round 1: "Promises"
Round 2: "Bounce" / "Under Control"
Round 3: "Slide"
I’d be happy with that. as for round 2 I think Under Control is better rated here than Bounce, it just came to my mind that we sent Bounce in an early round last time and we almost got eliminated with it.
if we get to round 4 do we wanna go with One Kiss provided Dua don’t get in there this round? that one is a free for all between the two due to the joint lead credit. so we can’t wait too long if we wanna use it (and I know you mod both so maybe you could convince the other Dua mods to avoid it )
I was wondering which song between "Bounce" and "Under Control" could be a better choice, but based on what you said, I guess we should go with the latter. Regarding "One Kiss", I'm fine to use it in the Calvin Harris forum and I think it's fair considering that Joe and I stole it in the first edition of AF Idol for the Dua Lipa forum.
As a side note, I'm planning to create a discussion thread to see what posters think about possible picks in different rounds. I already did that for the Dua Lipa forum, so I think we should go with this too here, although I'm not expecting a lot of discussion, but I wanted to be proven wrong. That said, I think we have the following so far.
Round 1: "Promises"
Round 2: "Under Control"
Round 3: "Slide"
Round 4: "One Kiss"
Round 5: "Merrymaking At My Place" / "Faking It"
Round 6: "Faking It" / "Checklist"
Round 7: "Ecstasy" / "Faith"
Round 8: TBD
Happy for me to PM across Promises?
If you want to, you could ahead, Lewis. I was expecting to see some possible choices in the discussion thread, but there's anything yet there, so...
We’ve had 1 response #expected
I’ve sent Promises
RIP the discussion thread (although we got a reply, yay?).
looks like Promises was a good call - doing well so far!
Round 5 has been altered to the following specification:
> This must have finished bottom 3 in any one of their singles rates. If no singles rate has been done yet, feel free to refer to their sales and use a bottom 3 single. But please use your judgement fairly and not use something that quite clearly isn't considered one of their worst singles. *The AF Inner-Circle reserve the right to veto* <
If we get to this round, we should submit the bottom 3 from http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=210131 ("Open Wide", "Off The Record" or "Hype") or http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=165693 ("Drinking From The Bottle", "Off The Record" or "Merrymaking At My Place"). The latter is a little bit outdated because it's until 2014, but I think it could benefit us to submit "Merrymaking At My Place". I was initially thinking about http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=223242 ("Faking It", "Merrymaking at My Place" or "Nuh Ready Nuh Ready"), but this was a survivor, so I don't think this is eligible in this round.
If we make it that far we’re going to get kicked out that round Merrymaking or Drinking from the Bottle for that round? Merrymaking is not liked by BJ at all though
I reckon Drinking has a better chance than any of the others you’ve listed.
I was going with "Merrymaking At My Place" because I prefer this over "Drinking From The Bottle", but if the latter has better reception than the former, I don't have any issue to send this one instead. Either way, I guess we're screwed.
So are we going with Under Control for Round 2?
Yeah! That's fine for me.
Wait, what are we saving Acceptable in the 80s for? That would be perfect for this round or is it worth saving for a Free Choice
I don't think we're saving "Acceptable In The 80s" for later rounds, unless we're planning to use it for a free round as you said, Lewis. As a consequence, we probably could consider it instead of "Under Control" in this round. The ones that we're saving from these options are "I'm Not Alone" (later rounds) and "Slide" (next round).
Let’s keep it for a free round and I’ll send Under Control
looks like Under Control was too risky as we're losing at the moment (based on a Ctrl+F of the entire topic), it was bound to happen within the next few rounds if not this one I guess.
we really need some last minute fans!!!
Welp! We're currently in a three-way tiebreak with "Señorita" and "Something Stupid" which ends tomorrow.
FFS
I think we should be ok!
Many people are choosing "Slide" for the next round, so I guess we should go with the plan and send this.
I've sent Slide!
We made it
It’s One Kiss time!! Agreed?
There's some discussion to send "One Kiss" in this round for Dua Lipa's forum (not in the mod discussion thread yet), so if any of you wants to send this track, go ahead.
I've sent it!
Oh good, we can't let Dua have it!!
I have to be honest that I feel bad for ignoring "One Kiss" for Dua Lipa's forum, but I hope I made the right choice for doing that. Also, I feel that many people aren't aware that I'm also a Calvin Harris mod, so it was either to submit that track to any of the AF I'm moding.
I don’t feel bad and neither should you
Dua has plenty of other tracks that would thrive in this round? We have far fewer to BuzzJack’s taste so I’m going to be ruthless. AND they had One Kiss in the last game we did, not stealing it again hunz xx
Sorry not sorry but why is Kath seething so much about us sending One Kiss? Like I feel it’s only fair we have a shot at sending it? Loooool
SMH, and she left it out of her votes too, totally against the spirit of the game.
and Addy's also left it out
So are we Drinking from the Bottle next round?
This one is going to be savage
I'm fine to send "Drinking From The Bottle" in this round, but we could throw this and "Merrymaking At My Place" into discussion to see which one is the less hated. However, if it's taken into consideration what you said about the latter, I guess it's not necessary at all.
Merrymaking is one of my faves of his! But I remember from the last survivor we did it didn’t go down well
Dan, do we actually have a rate where Drinking from the Bottle came bottom with a score over 5?
Ignore me, I found it from 2014. Do you want me to send it?
We can't send it, as it has to be from the most recent rate which is 2018 for Calvin
I'm still confused by the rules - does the song have to have an average over 5? There's debate in our thread that Open Wide doesn't count, so does that mean My Way is in with a shot?? HALP
We're not a Group AF so the only rule we have to follow is:
> For artist forums that are dedicated to one artist: The single MUST have finished bottom 3 in the artists rate (if there's an ultimate rate - skip past the non-singles) and if you're lucky enough to have a bottom 3 over the average of 5, then kudos - that's fair play.
I'm wondering if we can ask Joseph to discount Off The Record and Hype too as Calvin wasn't the primary artist on either (the rules aren't clear on this, so maybe we'll just have to count those), then if Open Wide doesn't count either then our bottom 3 are:
39 5.90 My Way
40 5.41 Merrymaking At My Place
41 5.37 Nuh Ready Nuh Ready (feat. PARTYNEXTDOOR)
and we could then send My Way?
it's just a bit unfair if we have to choose from Off The Record, Hype and Nuh Ready really as all three are certainly gonna finish dead last. (though of course, there's a big chance of My Way doing the same too...)
f***ing hell this is tough. I'm happy to try My Way and see what they say? Juan?
ok I’ve been reading around and apparently we’re not allowed to exclude features (see Katy Perry thread)
we are so screwed! 😣
Hype or Open Wide then? I'm not sending Nuh Ready
if we’re allowed Open Wide I think that’s our best option out of the bottom four.
I'll wait for Juan before PM'ing them
p.s. we need to do a new rate
it's been over 2 years now so I suppose we should! not that there's much in the way of proper singles he's released since then, I'd only count the following:
One Kiss
Promises
I Found You
Checklist
Giant
Hypnagogic
maybe the CamelPhat version of I'm Not Alone too? tempted to say no to that though.
as for the Love Regenerator singles, no point including most of them, but Hypnagogic did get R1 playlisted so we could count that.
I wasn't aware that we should go with the last rate. I thought that there was a chance to pick a song from previous ones.
Either way, I'm fine with "Open Wide" unless there's a veto if it's submitted because it was a US single, not a UK single. In case we can't go with that, I guess "Hype" is our only option. "Nuh Ready Nuh Ready" is a no for me and the same applies, in a lesser extent, to "Off The Record".
I'll try Open Wide, if not then it'll be Hype. I'll cover it in one PM
It seems that "Hype" might be chosen. There was some discussion that "Homesick" couldn't be picked as an option in the Dua Lipa forum because it was released as a single in selected European countries, so I assume the same is going to be applied to "Open Wide".
I’ve had a PM they’ve rejected Open Wide so it’s Hype then we did well to get this far
ugh, this round really is set to boot us out, there’s no competition for last place now.
guess we’re heading for the axe soon too as an AF then, I’m surprised we survived the latest chop.
Open Wide had about as much promotion as Hype in the UK so I disagree with it being ineligible too.
I stg if any of the other forums get put up with a song that wasn’t a single in the UK then I’m gonna flip
so it turns out Kylie Minogue may have sent a non-UK single in All I See. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_I_See
didn't chart in the UK, but not sure if it was sent to radio (Wiki doesn't say).
Well... that's not fair because "All I See" wasn't a UK single. The Mims remix was the lead US single and the album version was the fifth AUS single from X.
F*** SAKE. Double standards or what
AF Idol is coming back! We're guaranteed to be in at least the first five rounds with the new format.
1. Free choice
2. Album track
3. Free choice (must not have been sent to a main AF Idol contest before)
4. Ballad (singles or album tracks)
5. Free choice
- eliminations -
6. Free choice (must not have been sent to a main AF Idol contest before)
7. Album track (must not have been sent to a main AF Idol contest before)
8. Free choice
9. Ballad (album track)
10. For the Win: Free Choice (Those artists who have reached the final before must send a different song)
Ballad is being defined as anything that is 99 BPM or less, so a couple of his Funk Wav tracks could be sent:
Cash Out - 95 BPM
Rollin - 92 BPM
Prayers Up - 86 BPM
then of course there is Ecstasy from Motion with is 66 BPM, not that any of those are going to do well at all
at least there's not another 'single that did badly in your rate' round haha
This'll be ruthless then
list of songs we're not allowed to use for Round 3
Bounce (feat. Kelis) [AFI1: R2]
How Deep Is Your Love (w/ Disciples) [AFI1: R6]
Hype (w/ Dizzee Rascal) [AFI2: R5]
I Need Your Love (feat. Ellie Goulding) [AFI1: R3]
I’m Not Alone (AFI1: R5)
One Kiss (w/ Dua Lipa) [AFI2: R4]
Pray To God (feat. HAIM) [AFI1: R1]
Promises (feat. Sam Smith) [AFI2: R1]
Slide (feat. Frank Ocean & Migos) [AFI2: R3]
Sweet Nothing (feat. Florence & The Machine) [AFI1: R7]
Under Control (w/ Alesso & HURTS) [AFI2: R2]
We Found Love (w/ Rihanna) [AFI1: R4]
they've u-turned on the BPM rule but regardless Calvin doesn't have a whole lot of ballads. I was thinking perhaps we could try and send the acoustic version of 'By Your Side' then.
The BPM rule was odd, so I'm glad that it was discarded. The acoustic version of "By Your Side" seems good to me as a pick for the ballad round.
Thanks Lewis for beginning the discussion of AF Idol. I split the threads for consistency, so we could keep the 2.0 version on its own, so I hope you don't mind it. Anyway, "Sweet Nothing", "Promises" and "We'll Be Coming Back" have been thrown so far. As I mentioned in the thread, I don't think we should go with the latter, but the others are good choices.
We have three rounds of free choices (two before eliminations) where we could pick anything, so I think we should go big. "I'm Not Alone", "We Found Love", "Pray To God" and "How Deep Is Your Love" are also another possibilities, besides the already mentioned, in my opinion.
Give a few hours and see where we are at. Promises isn't a bad shout though
We used Promises for Round 1 of AF Idol 2, it finished in the top 10 but I feel that with the new format it wouldn't do so well this time around. Would also be a tad boring to use the same song for Round 1 twice.
I think we should go for one of his bigger hitters, perhaps We Found Love or One Kiss given we're in competition with the collaborators to get to the songs first. Or if we do want to save those for later, I'm Not Alone or HDIYL would work.
Sweet Nothing was the song we lost with in AF Idol 1, in round 7. So not too sure on that, although it did have very strong competition then.
Im Not Alone then? It's classic big banger calvin
yeah id be happy with that. its definitely more popular than sweet nothing
Apologies for not replying before, but I agree with "I'm Not Alone". I also thought that any of you sent the PM to the Inner Circle, but it seems that it wasn't, so I'm going with it with that choice and sending the PM right now. As a side note, I think George submitted "One Kiss" for Dua's forum. He didn't tell me which song he went with, but I'm kind of sure he picked that.
Oh I already sent the PM sorry for not saying
Oops! Don't worry, Lewis. I guess they received two instead of one.
round 2 album track:
I’m thinking one of the following Motion ones has the best chance of cross appeal with pop fans
Faith - surely the single that got away from this era, sounds like it would’ve been a hit single
Together ft Gwen Stefani - similar to Faith but perhaps preferable cos female vocalist?
Dollar Signs ft Tinashe - there’s a couple of Tinashe fans on the site although the drop might be off putting for some
Based on the latest album rate, "Faith" performed the best (#5), followed by "Together" (#6) and "Dollar Signs" (#14). I agree that Tinashe fans could jump on the latter, but the track itself is polarizing, so I don't think it's a good option. As a consequence, it's either "Faith" or "Together" in my opinion.
Personally, "Faith" is one of my favourites from Motion and I could go with that, but I don't have any issue if "Together" is chosen instead because the female vocalist factor might be a plus. Also, Gwen Stefani is likeable and she could give us some votes.
Let's go with Faith. Can someone PM because evidently I'm shit at doing it
Well... it seems that the AF Idol discussion for this round flopped in the thread, so "Faith" is still the choice to go, right?
yep I'll give a PM
Great! Thanks Dan for sending the PM.
If it's considered that we can't send songs that were previously submitted in the next round, I'm wondering if "Acceptable In The 80s" or "Feel So Close" could be chosen. Those two, as well as "Slide", were inside the Top 10 in the latest singles rate.
"This Is What You Came For" and "Outside" were mentioned in the discussion thread. I still think we should go with any of the others instead. For reference, the former ended at #18 and the latter at #25.
I'm thinking perhaps we should try TIWYCF, it might go down better with those who didn't vote in the Calvin Harris rate, Feel So Close/80s I don't see picking up as many of those votes, and given the poor performance of Faith going with a female vocalist collab might be a safer bet now.
I agree with This Is What You Came For. I'll PM now
Round 4 then, likely to be disastrous for us. What have we got? Ecstasy is probably our best bet, and Hurts is a liked artist.
the theme seems to have changed to ballads and mid tempos so perhaps we could get away with sending Feels and call that a mid tempo song?
We could try to send "Feels" or "Slide" in this round. They are funk/chillwave songs and I think they are part of the midtempo spectrum. If any of them don't work, may we try with "Together"? I'm a aware this is a longshot though.
As a side note, we should go with "We Found Love" in the next round.
Rollin then? We haven't sent that before
Rollin would do disastrously I feel. I still think we should go for Feels.
I've PM'd Feels to Joseph
Didn't think about acoustic versions for this round, that would've been good haha
you PMing We found Love for round 5 then?
Done
Acoustic versions of any of his songs could have gone either way as well. Besides "By Your Side", there's one of "The Girls" and live sessions of that track, "Acceptable In The 80s" and "Colours", so we didn't have many options to choose too.
Anyway, glad to know that "We Found Love" was chosen in this round, so let's see how it does.
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