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BuzzJack Music Forum _ Sugababes _ Mobo Awards 2024
Posted by: Sacred3 9th February 2024, 01:04 AM
For anyone that missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYOEdu9Y1to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCDQOXMqeIE
Posted by: One_For_Sorrow 9th February 2024, 01:12 AM
Thanks. I was wondering what they performed.
Posted by: Silas 9th February 2024, 09:21 AM
The performance was great! Shame they didn’t do When The Rain Comes but I get it was about their impact (in which case I’d have used Round Round instead of Push The Button as while PTB was the bigger hit, RR had a significant impact on British pop music in the 00‘s)
Posted by: Slayer 9th February 2024, 10:44 AM
Disappointed the other girls were not even included in the montage. It’s an ‘impact’ award, the other girls contributed to the legacy too.
Especially Heidi, she deserved to be acknowledged. She caused a bigger impact to the groups success than Siobhán. No shade to her but it’s an impact award…
I’ve grew to love 1.0 despite 2.0 being my favourite but I do feel bad the other girls were erased.
Don’t respond to argue, I’m allowed an opinion. If this was best artist of 2023/2024 or best single etc, no issues but this is a LEGACY award.
Posted by: Sacred3 9th February 2024, 11:29 AM
No need to mention the other girls at all!
I also agree that Round Round should have been added to the medley.
Posted by: spiceboy 9th February 2024, 01:14 PM
Then no need to mention the “platinum selling & chart topping” “6 number one singles” “8 studio albums” “multi award winning” “most successful girl group of the 21st century” since Siobhan and that line up has none of those accolades, no chart toppers, no platinum albums, 2 studio albums, no real awards… I mean they even placed the cds together to cut out Heidi lol how petty. 😂
It should say “one silver single” “one gold album” “one top 10” “one member who escaped out a toilet window”
Posted by: Slayer 9th February 2024, 01:39 PM
^ Agreed.
Imagine thinking at least Heidi shouldn't be mentioned, delusional.
It is an impact/legacy award, the other girls DESERVED a mention at the very least. They contributed so much to the success, heck even Amelle did more than Siobhan.
I get this is the current line-up and I now enjoy 1.0 but 2.0/3.0 were so much more successful and deserved a mention.
Posted by: Slayer 9th February 2024, 01:42 PM
Heidi posted this the day after the awards, posing infront of her awards for her impact of being a Sugababe during their peak year.
I feel bad for the former members not getting a mention, glad Heidi showed off her awards/plaques.
Posted by: DoggySwami 9th February 2024, 01:52 PM
It should say “one silver single” “one gold album” “one top 10” “one member who escaped out a toilet window”
This is very unfair because lots of people had no issue seeing Amelle on the cover of the GH, or 3.0 and 4.0 having the same introduction as you are quoting and not having a mention of past members. Also it doesn't make sense to complain that other members' achievements are being erased and follow that up by reducing the achievements of Keisha and Mutya to the debut album even though they have done lots more.
At the end of the day it's just as simple as MKS are the current and members so they focus the attention on them, and this is business as usual with girlbands. Heidi, Amelle, and Jade benefited from this before and now it's other people's turn. Not saying that the situation was handled perfectly but that's how it works.
Posted by: Silas 9th February 2024, 01:53 PM
The montage was always going to cause issues along parts of the fanbase. Very damned if they do damned if they don’t moment. I do understand why it was limited to the current line up, but even tho 1.0 is the longest reigning line-up I would have included 2.0 a little as well. (Don’t come for me Amelle/Jade Stan’s but the last two line ups had the impact of wet cardboard)
IMO their „impact“ (because commercial success =/= impact) can be pulled down to 3 eras/moments and that is how I would have structured the montage:
- Overload / One Touch - nothing sounded like it at the time. It was just so entirely unique and different. It inspired scores of artists
- Freak Like Me & Round Round - both of these were groundbreaking and helped redefine British pop music (this is where I would have included 2.0 in the montage). There are multiple essays on just how much Freak and RR(in conjunction with Sound Of The Underground) literally irreversibly changed how pop music was made in the UK
- Flatline / Reclaiming the Name / Sacred Three / Lost Tapes - Again critically acclaimed like the debut but a huge cultural impact on the first line up coming back, the fight for the name, taking ownership of their music and career - and the absolute rave reviews to their performances like shutting Avalon Field for the first time
Would have had a Voxpop for each era from an industry professional talking about how it inspired and influenced them/the industry. Would have finished with a like scrapbook/flickerbook montage of videos/performances/photos etc from every one of the 8 album eras to the „multi platinum, 6 number ones blah blah“ bit and finished on a clip of them hugging on stage at the end of the glasto set
Would be interested how y’all would have done the montage
Posted by: Silas 9th February 2024, 01:59 PM
Imagine thinking at least Heidi shouldn't be mentioned, delusional.
It is an impact/legacy award, the other girls DESERVED a mention at the very least. They contributed so much to the success, heck even Amelle did more than Siobhan.
I get this is the current line-up and I now enjoy 1.0 but 2.0/3.0 were so much more successful and deserved a mention.
I am really really REALLY over the constant negation of Siobhan’s contribution to the band. without her, Heidi and Amelle would be literal nobodies working in tesco. The bands entire reputation and access to producers throughout their career was built on the back of One Touch - which wouldn’t exist without Siobhan and her contributions.
One Touch is the single most impactful and important part of their career. Love it or not but it’s still beloved and cited as an influence and inspiration over 20 years later by critics, other artists, industry professionals and more. That is the definition of impact, not sales.
Posted by: Slayer 9th February 2024, 03:04 PM
We can agree to disagree as I definitely do not agree with you.
One Touch is my least favourite album and Heidi saved them when she came on board.
I stand with my opinion and you stand with yours.
I like Siobhan now and think she is great in the band but the reiterate this is a legacy award the girls deserved a mention at the minimum. I did not at any point say Siobhan had no impact, she just had much less than Heidi and even Amelle in my opinion.
Posted by: Simon. 9th February 2024, 03:57 PM
I agree with the above, all girls contributed in their own way. Heidi especially deserved a shout out from the girls in the speech or to AT LEAST be part of the montage.
Posted by: spiceboy 9th February 2024, 04:23 PM
At the end of the day it's just as simple as MKS are the current and members so they focus the attention on them, and this is business as usual with girlbands. Heidi, Amelle, and Jade benefited from this before and now it's other people's turn. Not saying that the situation was handled perfectly but that's how it works.
Tons of people had issues with Amelle on the cover of the GH, like I didn’t know anyone who thought that was a good idea, I remember all the posts about how it should have been a name on the cover only and no picture posts. Also when did 3:0 ever get an award like this about their legacy? They got awards for their current achievements at that time of which of course Amelle was a part of, this is literally a legacy / impact award over the last 25 years.
Posted by: Silas 9th February 2024, 05:08 PM
The Guinness world record for most successful female artist of the 21st century or whatever it was, was given to 3.0 and only 3.0 images were used at the time
Posted by: Slayer 9th February 2024, 05:48 PM
That’s nice but this was from the girls themselves where they could have dropped a mention.
Posted by: spiceboy 9th February 2024, 08:32 PM
That’s also totally different it’s literally one image, this video actively went out of its way to cut out Heidi and the others in the clips and on the CD covers, seriously ridiculous.
I’ll be honest I don’t really care but I think it’s a joke. 🤷♂️
Posted by: Sacred3 9th February 2024, 11:30 PM
I wish their performance was longer with more songs.
Posted by: JosephBoone 10th February 2024, 07:32 PM
Worth remembering that this kinda thing has happened in the past but with different line-ups - Amelle was on the front cover of Overloaded despite being on four out of 15 songs, in comparison to Mutya being on the other 11! Little Mix's greatest hits was a similar scenario, excluding Jesy from the artwork despite her being on most of the songs.
Considering Sugababes have been the butt of many jokes over the years about the line-up changes, I think it's good from a PR perspective to keep focus on Mutya, Keisha and Siobhan to solidify that they are Sugababes and will be now as long as they want to be active. I agree that it was the original three who created the foundations and essence for everything that came later. Not that Heidi didn't contribute loads to the group of course!
I don't think the album graphic deliberately excluded Heidi, surely they'd be more willing to avoid Amelle and especially Jade but they're the ones on show for Change, Catfights and Sweet 7...! (not that you can really see two of them x)
Either way, I think their performance was really great and they picked three surefire crowd pleasers. They could've easily included Round Round, Hole in the Head, About You Now, or slowed it down a little to include Stronger, Too Lost in You, etc. It just goes to show how many classics they have, a testament to their talent and success (of members past and present)
Posted by: One_For_Sorrow 10th February 2024, 08:24 PM
I’ve been trying to put my thoughts into words and I think you did it perfectly Joseph.
Posted by: vibe 11th February 2024, 08:41 AM
How can One Touch be anyones least fav album !!!
Posted by: spiceboy 11th February 2024, 11:55 AM
When Sweet 7 exists, god knows!
It's middle for me though:
1. Angels
2. Taller
3. The lost tapes
4. Three
5. One Touch
6. Change
7. Catfights
8. Sweet 7
Posted by: Sacred3 11th February 2024, 10:45 PM
Sweet 7 and Catfights are very weal albums that don't have the Sugababes magic to them.
Posted by: Simon. 12th February 2024, 10:27 AM
Catfights just pips One Touch for me, I think Catfights has stronger album tracks.
Posted by: JosephBoone 12th February 2024, 12:30 PM
Catfights lacks the obvious single material that all of the other albums have, I find, but it has some really strong album tracks. Side Chick, Can We Call a Truce, Every Heart Broken, Beware, Sunday Rain... the hold they had on me *.*
Posted by: Silas 12th February 2024, 12:55 PM
Catfights defo gets done dirty. The singles are two of the weakest tracks on the album. Overall I think it’s a lot more consistent than Change is but it’s defo a big step down compared to 1.0/2.0. I think there is a pretty major gulf in quality after Mutya left and you can feel her lack of impact in Taller. Interestingly, that doesn’t hold for The Lost Tapes, where Shiv seems to more effectively compensate for that
For me the order currently runs:
Three (Perfection)
One Touch (The older this gets the more I love it. It’s timeless)
The Lost Tapes (Oh god what could have been!! Full of great tracks)
Angels with Dirty Faces (Also full of great tracks and I didn’t hate Shape at the O2 but I still hate it in the studio form. f*** sting)
Taller in More Ways (Amelle)
Taller in More Ways (Mutya - Amelle‘s Red Dress has better production but Mutya’s Gotta Be You and Follow Me Home are superior. However, Now You’re Gone is one of the best track the Sugababes have ever done and that alone is enough to elevate the rerelease)
Catfights and Spotlights (Some incredible highlights in this album. Beware is an absolute gem)
Change (The good bits mostly consist of things either they didn’t Write like AYN or were Taller rejects like NGDA. The bad bits are just so poor and dull and so unsugababes and that sadly is half the album. The hill I will die on is that Back Down and 3 Spoons are album/3.0 highlights)
Sweet 7 - Keisha Album Sampler Version (terrible but at least competently produced)
*Heat death of the universe*
Sweet 7 - as it was released (Worst thing to have ever had the Sugababes name attached to it. It sounds prehistoric and in spite of being their second most recent album, it’s their oldest sounding of the 8. nothing about it is a Sugababes record with the one exception of Crash & Burn which is the only thing that has competent production. The rest suffers badly from Jades vocal just being smashed on top of it in a shed in 20 minutes with no care or respect for the end product - tho when the songcraft is this lazy I can understand. Jades whining on Wait For You actually makes my skin crawl, it’s the single worst recording of any line up.)
Posted by: -Jay- 12th February 2024, 01:00 PM
I think Catfights is a great album! It wasn’t well represented by the singles. Don’t get me wrong, I actually like the singles (seemingly more than most fans) but there are definitely greater album tracks on there. For me it is their most solid work with Amelle. It’s a shame that commercially speaking it’s when things started to unravel because the album deserved to be heard.
I quite like Change (the album) but it’s inconsistent. There’s definitely some gems but it also includes some of the group’s most forgettable songs.
I’m pleased for them winning the MOBO! It’s satisfying to see this, after the last few years of them working at rebuilding their legacy. Maybe an overused phrase but it’s about time that they received their flowers.
The VT controversy… admittedly I think it inadvertently drew more attention to the past members, by apparently going to great lengths to avoid showing them. A casual second or two glimpse of the others (not blurred!) and this drama would probably have been avoided.
I think most would agree that Heidi in particular (of the 3 former members) was a part of the impact that Sugababes were being awarded for, but at the end of the day she’s a former member and that’s been the case for about 13 years. This MOBO award was given to Sugababes, and Sugababes is (and has been for a very long time) Mutya, Keisha and Siobhan.
As for Siobhan, yes she wasn’t there for the platinum albums and #1s, but I don’t think impact purely comes down to the commercial side of things. Sugababes existing at all… it starts with Siobhan! She is more than worthy of receiving the award.
Posted by: Silas 16th February 2024, 12:29 PM
Queen Keisha has spoken and apparently the girls never got to see the final VT before it went out and didn’t approve it or have a sign off/veto of it
She also forgot to mention her parents in her acceptance speech…
Posted by: Slayer 16th February 2024, 01:26 PM
Where did she say that?
She also put up a story saying someone unfollowed her on the official Sugababes account.
Posted by: Silas 16th February 2024, 03:12 PM