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 26th April 2008, 09:38 AM
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its beaten run for cover
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26th April 2008, 12:58 PM
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But you also have to remember the singles chart is very different now to what it was in 2003 or even 2000 and sales expectations are also very different.
Denial has done ok, it has not done as well as it should have because its a great song. What deems a hit is not just sales or chart placements but a combination of the two. So where it may seem it has out performed previous top 10 hits on paper it may appear that way but it is more weight up by that overall year & how singles were performing in general also the amount of promo that went into it, record company out goings, if the song was on heavy rotation on both radio & music channels like MTV etc etc 2003 in general was a very bad year for singles sales, but I would never say that In The Middle or Caught In A Moment were huge hits because they were not but they did very well VS a struggling singles market and the amount or lack of promo both singles recieved, especially the latter. Denial & in particular Easy on the other hand had a huge amount of promo and radio/tv support but have both under performed, Change also being the same although that was drastically helped by christmas sales it only just by a small margin out sold New Year & Too Lost In You (both xmas singles) but again TLIU was a much bigger hit and NY sort of tanked because again the markets were very different when they were released in the same way that 10 years earlier than that singles sales were much stronger and something that would have only managed a peak of say 30 but hung around the charts could have outsold a number one single in todays market. I personally think the girls need to cut their losses with this album and really really hit hard with the next one, bring back the edge they once had, be original again and really go for it. They should not really chance releasing another single from this album and have it end up the same way as the last two. They can pull it all back though with the next one and hopefully win back the fans they lost  |
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26th April 2008, 01:14 PM
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well i think denial did fab its so deserved higher chart , but go denial outsell as many as u can,it may even become a bigger hit than first thought!
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26th April 2008, 06:56 PM
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A fourth single would still be great even if it peaks low they seem to still be selling the amount they useually do.
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26th April 2008, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(Simon. @ Apr 26 2008, 07:57 PM)  A fourth single would still be great even if it peaks low they seem to still be selling the amount they useually do. Yes but you are basing that on sales figures from the past when the singles market changes so much year from year, based on sales figures from 2003, 2006 they are doing the norm based on todays singles market Denial & Change have not. They would need the next single if they go for a 4th one to be a huge top 5 hit in order to generate enough interest in the album again, to get it to sell which both Change & Denial failed to do  the album so far in the last 4 months has not even sold 100k which is not upto their usual sales at all by the 3rd single.Had it of not been for About You Now they could have ended up like what happened to Mutya, so thank god that didn't happen If they go for a 4th single (and in they I mean Universal/Island) they will have to be very careful with what to pick. I still think a slightly remixed version of Never Gonna Dance again to give it some welly would be the best choice, although the album version I do love it just sort of goes nowhere it plods along but the right remix could do it wonders. Hope to god its not My Love Is Pink or another Ballad 
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26th April 2008, 08:22 PM
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Not necessarily.
Denial had little promo when it was released and the videoplay/airplay was non-existent at time of release. so 15 without promo or owt was very good. If the final single is Back Down or NGDA then enough interest in the album can be drummed up to throw it back up the chart. |
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26th April 2008, 11:15 PM
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Back Down must NEVER be a single.
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26th April 2008, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(rub @ Apr 25 2008, 11:10 PM) In fact, Denial has sold more than 4 of their singles that were top 10 (easy, caught in a moment, shape and even In the middle). That's why it's very important to chose a non-competitive week to achieve a top 10. Shape was not top 10 (only reached no 11), though i still totally agree with your point! QUOTE(Jark @ Apr 27 2008, 12:16 AM) Back Down must NEVER be a single. Yes! Its the worst song on the album! Its still not terrible and i know they were probably just trying something new but its not a style that suits them. I know the fans who are keen on it seem really keen though, so it seems you either love or hate and not much in between! |
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26th April 2008, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE(rub @ Apr 25 2008, 11:00 PM) http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=68555 Top 50 Singles of 2008 45 47 Sugababes Denial 58100 Hope this is enough for you to update the info on the 1st page!!!! It was obvious Denial sales were more than 34k by now! Hey, also from this list: 48 46 Sugababes About you now 55150 From the end of year list last year believe it sold 346,420 so is this also sufficient to update AYN's sales figure? (Total 401,570)  |
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27th April 2008, 06:02 PM
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Denial number 43, down 10.
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27th April 2008, 06:58 PM
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not sticking round is it :'(
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27th April 2008, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE(PhillyWilly @ Apr 26 2008, 09:23 PM) Not necessarily. Denial had little promo when it was released and the videoplay/airplay was non-existent at time of release. so 15 without promo or owt was very good. If the final single is Back Down or NGDA then enough interest in the album can be drummed up to throw it back up the chart. Denial was high top 15 on both video and radio airplay when it was released, they did GMTV, Good Morning and Ant and Dec for promo so i dont think there is much excuse apart from it was a boring song. |
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27th April 2008, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(phil2 @ Apr 27 2008, 07:59 PM) not sticking round is it :'( Think thats 9 weeks now. Longer that a lot of their singles (even some of those which had higher chart placings) managed in total and its outsold quite a few already so think its doing ok actually. Also don't think its boring! |
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27th April 2008, 08:36 PM
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i think it was not boring.it was a well good song.
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27th April 2008, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(PhillyWilly @ Apr 26 2008, 09:23 PM) Not necessarily. Denial had little promo when it was released and the videoplay/airplay was non-existent at time of release. so 15 without promo or owt was very good. If the final single is Back Down or NGDA then enough interest in the album can be drummed up to throw it back up the chart. Erm that is not the case at all, the song was on heavy rotation on MTV/VH1 and all other types of music channels also was in TMF's top 10 requested/played videos for several weeks including before release, during & after its physical release, it was also A-listed on radio one and they also performed on three on the U.K's highest rated television programmes as well as featuring in several magazines/newspapers with interviews etc etc. Denial was not a song that was not promoted and it actually recieved more promotion than Change did and a whole heap of their former singles with Mutya. |
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27th April 2008, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(spicefunk @ Apr 27 2008, 09:30 PM) Think thats 9 weeks now. Longer that a lot of their singles (even some of those which had higher chart placings) managed in total and its outsold quite a few already so think its doing ok actually. Also don't think its boring! The previous singles before inclusion of downloads in the U.K singles chart did not have the luxury of being boosted up the charts several weeks before its physical release, adding not only to its overall sales but its chart run also. If you took away its sales & chart peaks before the physical release that would wipe a chunk off the sales total and of course shorten their chart runs, hence as I already said the charts are completely different to what they were in 2000 up untill the inclusion of download sales. Denial was the best song on the album by a million miles, it deserved to do much better than it did yes. But to keep putting the sales up against years that didnt have downloads and were greatly effected by illegal downloading is a little silly and also not how the industry works, think how much those older singles would have sold IF downloads were included back then also! Denial/Change were not big hits in 2007/8 like In The Middle, Too Lost In You were in 2003/4 its a completely different ball game now because downloads have drastically regenerated & redesigned the charts. |
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27th April 2008, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(J-o-e @ Apr 27 2008, 08:51 PM) Denial was high top 15 on both video and radio airplay when it was released, they did GMTV, Good Morning and Ant and Dec for promo so i dont think there is much excuse apart from it was a boring song. Whilst I agree 100% with the first statement I don't think Denial was a boring song, it was the best song on a very poor album and by far the best single they ever released with Amelle since she has been in the group after a string of IMO below Sugababes standard singles. I just hope they can turn things around with the next album & the damage caused by this era of the group can be reversed
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28th April 2008, 08:21 AM
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Each to their own though here, I think its sales are really impressive considering its run.
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28th April 2008, 12:22 PM
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i agree with simondo
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28th April 2008, 01:52 PM
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Denial sold roughly another 4,000 last week so now its sold about 62,000 which is great.
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