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 11th December 2011, 08:59 PM
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At least they should send the new single to radios right now. Now it's like they are invisible because they can only rely on the promotion the tour gives them.
They obviously thought that My Heart Takes Over would stay on the charts for more than 3 weeks and it would sell the album during December...but sadly it isn't, so they have to do something! This post has been edited by The47thbelmon: 11th December 2011, 09:01 PM |
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11th December 2011, 09:13 PM
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Thank you, My Heart Takes Over is out of the top 50 on all Airplay.
They should be trying all they can to keep the album steady and not to drop out of the top 100 on the album charts! |
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11th December 2011, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(Jaynote @ Dec 11 2011, 08:59 PM)  ^ It's the difference in work ethic and stars and a MEGA star. Thats why she is where she is. Simple. The Saturdays aren't serious lol I remember watching that 'on the road' documentary the S Club 7 did when they were massive. The difference is really laughable. They would do GMTV, then This Morning, then Richard & Judy and then a live show at night. We have to be realistic here, it's not exactly hard to perform a 3 minute track in a studio is it? They sit in a hair and make-up chair and sing for 3 minutes.. I don't know why they find it so hard to promote. |
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11th December 2011, 10:37 PM
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Agreed. The band are incredibly lazy. I can't believe i'm saying this but if they're going to act like they don't give a shit then their album deserves to flop.
I wonder how Little Mix winning X-Factor will affect The Sats. Could go either way (they could "bring back girl power" just like JLS did with boybands, or they could completely overshadow the). |
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12th December 2011, 12:20 AM
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Their not lazy at all. How the hell can they be at London studios to perform on Daybreak (or whatever) when they have to be in Cardiff for the tour in the same day for example.
You have to take into account of hair and make-up at the tv studios and all the other stuff they do, (they don't just "turn up for 3 minutes" that's ridiculous to even think so), the commute time it takes them to get there and then get to the tour venue, hair and make-up will have to be done again for the evenings performance.. you have to be at the venue hours before the show starts. I've worked in the industry on both sides, on the stage and off, I'm speaking from experience. Why would the label waste even more money getting them on crappy daytime shows when they could be putting that money else where.. they had good promotion in the first place for My Heart Takes Over, and it wasn't just the usual trip around the daytime tv shows either. I wish people would stop moaning about where and how they promote, they can only do what they can realistically do. And what I mean by that is if everything else is booked apart from Daybreak and Alan Carr then they'll book Daybreak and Alan Carr. There's no picking and choosing. QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 11 2011, 10:37 PM) Agreed. The band are incredibly lazy. I can't believe i'm saying this but if they're going to act like they don't give a shit then their album deserves to flop. I wonder how Little Mix winning X-Factor will affect The Sats. Could go either way (they could "bring back girl power" just like JLS did with boybands, or they could completely overshadow the). There's a place and room for everyone in the industry. I don't literally feel like anyone will go "Ah The Saturdays deserve to flop as they can't be bothered to promote, I'm going to support Little Mix". In my opinion it will be good for them to have some strong competition. It'll certainly get it out their heads that they think they're bigger than they are. All they can do now is send the next single off to radio's and hope it starts getting rotation until next year when they can start promoting the single. They've worked non-stop this year. 2 tours, one member pregnant, another one hospitalized, the LP to complete, 3 singles.. cut them some slack. They're not lazy in that respect at all. They deserve their 2wks off after the tour and for Christmas, jeeze. |
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12th December 2011, 06:01 AM
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For all the hard work they're doing, it's certainly not translating into success. Everything was thrown into making 'On Your Radar' a success, so where do they go from here? Are they just going to continue aimlessly, praying that they'll eventually be able to sell albums in big quantities? I think it's clear that ship has sailed. Rejuvenating this group will be a very hard task. Seriously though, their current positions speak loud and clear.
 #75 in the third week is appalling. 23-53-75. I fail to see how anyone could put a positive spin on this chart run!  And indeed the sales.Let's be real - right now they're a flop act. I feel they should hold on to their current experience as a headlining arena act for as long as they can, as the chances of another arena tour are surely pretty slim. They moved up to arenas because they were seemingly very desperate to do so, so their management took a gamble, despite there being no obvious signs that there was a big demand for it. Clearly they were keen on being able to put "The Saturdays" and "arena tour" into the same sentence. I see the arena tour as a risky attempt to make them look & seem bigger than they actually are, to convince people that they're the real deal. Has it worked? Hmm... They most likely won't find themselves in the singles or album charts next week, just as a brand new girl group are set to storm the charts. That's an inconvenient position for The Saturdays to find themselves in. People can say that Little Mix have had the advantage of an X Factor boost, while The Saturdays had to work their way up - and that's true - but the mere fact a girl group flipping WON that competition says so much. It's obviously very premature to write The Saturdays off in terms of Little Mix, but it's remarkable how the X Factor viewing public have taken to these girls. It clearly shows that the public *can* be receptive to a girl group if all the right ingredients are there. They're fresh, and I'm excited to see how they do next year. The public who've got behind Little Mix aren't currently buying records by The Saturdays in their droves. What do The Saturdays lack in order to truly connect with the buying public, beyond a smattering of Top 5 singles?  I know this is a very negative post, but I'm failing to think of any positives with The Saturdays now (other than on a personal level, for me the music is brilliant - just a shame the public at large really don't care to discover it / buy it).
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12th December 2011, 08:58 AM
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I agree with all you said, Jay. There's not much to be positive about at the minute.
It'll do think that Little Mix's arrival will give The Sats good, healthy competition now... it'll force them to - hopefully - be here, there and everywhere so they don't become forgotten or overshadowed I hope... although I will say the embarrassing thing for The Sats is that Little Mix will probably surpass pretty much a fair bit that The Saturdays have achieved in half the time (along with that #1 single!). Not gonna lie though, I've just have a nagging feeling that 2012 will be the last year of The Sats. I think they'll split next year. I love both groups and there's room for two girlbands but already just doing a simple search on Twitter makes it a bit disheartening to see tweets like 'The Saturdays are finished, we only need Little Mix' 'I bet The Saturdays all chucked their remote controls at the TV when Little Mix won' 'Bye The Saturdays' etc etc.... I think it's nice (however staged it is/was) that Little Mix clearly like and look up to The Sats and the girls themselves like Little Mix and vice versa, I don't see why we can have 3 big boybands at once but only 1 girlband at any one time, and have to dislike bands that are coming through etc! And it's annoying how people only seem to like one artist at a time and put them down for no apparent reason (fair enough if people don't like them.. but still... - I don't see why can't people like both Little Mix and The Sats at the same time, and it has to be made into a competition? They may be both girlgroups, but I think they're both different in image and potentially sound too. It's weird and it's frustrating but I'm very happy we've got 2 really good girlbands at the moment... but looking at the wider picture it looks as though the public aren't and probably never will be fully accepting of The Saturdays - they still haven't managed to fully make their mark while they've been the only girl group around for the past 2-ish years. I do hope the arrival of Little Mix doesn't spell the end of The Sats, I just hope it makes them work harder and keep pushing but I'm not sure really. As much as it feels like they're never going to find their way out of this mess now, surely they'll be able to reap some kind of reward down the line? Doubtful, but we can hope.
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12th December 2011, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 12 2011, 12:20 AM) (they don't just "turn up for 3 minutes" that's ridiculous to even think so) I actually said all they have to do is sit in a hair and make-up chair and then perform for 3 minutes. And it's not like The Saturdays work any harder than any of the other pop bands out there because they don't. I agree with whatever is being said about finding it hard to find anything positive about this situation. I don't think Little Mix becoming big will spell the end for The Saturdays.. they were already dwindling before they started! There's just no progression at all and I feel bad for saying it, but they need to up their game a LOT. We say it at the end of every album era and nothing changes. |
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12th December 2011, 03:21 PM
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Hopefully we can take Little Mix winning as a positive sign for The Sats, in the fact that they FINALLY have some real competition and will have to certainly up their game if they are to survive with them. Sugababes upped their game when the likes of Atomic Kitten and Destiny's Child were popular, which scored them their first major number 1's and got the album selling. They upped their game even more when Girls Aloud were formed. The Sats knew they didn't have to do much because even though 'My Heart Takes Over' and 'On Your Radar' bombed, they're still the biggest girl group in the UK at the moment. So now Little Mix have arrived, they're gonna have to step it up and show the public that they mean business!
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12th December 2011, 03:39 PM
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It could be positive for them in the future. The Sugababes/Girls Aloud is a very good example, as the first ones came after two singles that bombed (Follow Me Home and Easy) and the only thing they could sell was their past hits. But the charity single made them 'popular' again and they had a big hit by themselves after that.
If people start to be interested in girlbands again it would be a very good movement to release a GH, so the general public could re-discover their work. The problem is, they still have to survive to this campaign. I've heard the album is on 33.5k this week. Comparing with the last albums, Wordshaker had sold 25.5k by its third week, and Headlines! 40.k |
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12th December 2011, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(Scherz @ Dec 12 2011, 03:10 PM) I actually said all they have to do is sit in a hair and make-up chair and then perform for 3 minutes. And it's not like The Saturdays work any harder than any of the other pop bands out there because they don't. Oh I know what you meant, I just worded it a bit wrong, sorry. They may just have to "sit in hair and make-up and perform for 3 minutes", but let's be economical. Is it worth all that wait and faff at a TV studio (that will probably have no benefit to the sales of the album, as it would be on a daytime show, and the fact that they've already capitalised on the first week sales where the majority of their fans will have already brought the record), when they have to perform at an arena in the evening and go through the same process again.. commute, hair and make-up etc? It's not really is it. I highly doubt that any money they spent on the commute it took them to get to the tv studio (including their 'team') plus the cost to actually appear on the show would translate into an increase in sales. This is why it's crucial to get your campaign spot on. Their management have not been successful at organising their latest campaign's at all. The TV shows they've been on have been substantial, but the whole way the campaigns have been structured have been poor to say the least ('Notorious' being a prime example - they just couldn't figure out how to structure an on air/on sale style of release and combine the promotion and marketting to go with it successfully) Releasing an album 1wk/2wks before embarking on an arena tour was always going to cause trouble, and they've lost so many ticket sales because of this; It's not just cost them sales from their music. The casual buyer will have only had 2wks to get used to the LP and actually decide if they'd want to invest further in the brand by going to one of their shows. 2wks is simply not enough time which is why there is usually at least a 3-4 month gap between the release of the album and the respective tour so they can shift more tickets. Simple. So there you have it. Their management has lost them ticket and music sales because they couldn't organise the campaign properly. The Saturdays aren't business women, they're there to endorse their product at the end of the day, it's not up to them personally when or what or how they organise a campaign. I blame their managements poor skills at the end of the day. They best hope that they can save this whole era next year because I can only see the next single's success riding on what happens to them in the future. |
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13th December 2011, 12:38 AM
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Maybe touring again so soon was a bad idea in itself? The people they attracted to the theatre tours in February may not have felt the need to buy tickets again in June (or indeed over the six months since they first went on sale). It's all been strange timing.
If they'd waited a bit longer, and truly put tonnes of hard work into this album right up until their Christmas break, then put tickets on sale, maybe they'd have had a more triumphant attempt at selling a large amount of tickets. Anyway what's done is done, guess we just have to look to 2012 and what the next plan of attack is from them. 
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13th December 2011, 01:27 AM
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I agree, the reason why the Headlines tour was such a success because they had not toured in over one and a half year, had the headlines tour been an Arena tour I am sure it would have outsold their tickets sales now.
Anyway I remain positive for The Saturdays, I really hope they do up their game. At the end of the day they still have a strong fan base, decent airplay support something Sugababes will not get again and something any new girlband will not get. Look at Parade,Girls Cant Catch, SoundGirl, Wonderland. NEXT YEAR, THEY MUST BREAK EUROPE. This post has been edited by lee wallace: 13th December 2011, 01:27 AM |
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13th December 2011, 02:08 AM
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QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 13 2011, 01:27 AM) NEXT YEAR, THEY MUST BREAK EUROPE. Next year they must break the UK first. Failing that (well, has it already?) Europe isn't out of the question. But then again they said in the All Fired Up tour programme that they have planned trips out to America.. God knows!
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13th December 2011, 02:22 AM
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I believe that's all talk and no substance tbh.
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13th December 2011, 02:39 AM
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I hate to be a negative nancy but let's face it, six months from now Little Mix will be the biggest girl group in the UK and the Saturdays won't even be able to claim that title by default anymore. I honestly think they'll have split by this time next year.
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13th December 2011, 12:28 PM
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Mind you, Little Mix are the X Factor winners, so the Saturdays may still head for still remaining the biggest (albeit by default) UK girl-group...
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13th December 2011, 09:21 PM
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No point in Dancing on their grave. It's all about Little Mix now
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13th December 2011, 10:58 PM
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LOL some people are hilarious.
Do you really think Simon Cowell called Leona up and said "Leona, you're over. Alexandra has just won X Factor, she will be the biggest UK female forever, we don't need you now". There's enough room for two girlbands (Sugababes & Girls Aloud anyone?) but The Saturdays just need to work SO much harder at it if they want to stay there. This post has been edited by Scherz: 13th December 2011, 10:59 PM |
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13th December 2011, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(Scherz @ Dec 13 2011, 10:58 PM) LOL some people are hilarious. Do you really think Simon Cowell called Leona up and said "Leona, you're over. Alexandra has just won X Factor, she will be the biggest UK female forever, we don't need you now". There's enough room for two girlbands (Sugababes & Girls Aloud anyone?) but The Saturdays just need to work SO much harder at it if they want to stay there. Exactly!  You only have to look at the UK's boybands.. JLS, The Wanted, One Direction, Westlife.. all successful and they've all had to compete against each other lately, a very healthy thing. Hell, even JLS and One Direction have collaborated a number of times on stage lately, if you can't beat them, join them! |
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