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 14th December 2011, 01:47 AM
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The Difference is Boybands get all the amazing promotion.
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14th December 2011, 01:52 AM
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The difference is that girls like male groups but not girl groups, it's that old thing of girls finding girls threatening. Straight guys obviously don't tend to like either kind of group and gay guys are only a tiny minority, so you can only be a success if you get young teenage girls on board. And the Saturdays haven't really managed to do that. It's nothing to do with Little Mix really (they have already got female fans on board after a couple of months of being together, the Sats have had four years) but my point was that the Sats can't even claim the 'biggest girlband in the UK' mantra anymore which was arguably the one thing they had going for them. Now there is some serious competition.
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14th December 2011, 01:57 AM
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QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 13 2011, 02:08 AM)  Next year they must break the UK first. 
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14th December 2011, 03:29 AM
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Not sure I agree that the Leona/Alexandra comparison is entirely relevant to this situation. Leona was doing fabulously when Alexandra started out, plus they're two female soloists with such different styles that their appeal stretched to different markets, I'd say. There was no particular worry that Alexandra would steal Leona's fan base, because Leona was very much established. If anything, there may have been doubts as to whether Alexandra could find her niche as the second female X Factor winner.
Little Mix & The Saturdays, as jark∞ suggested, are both aiming for the exact same markets - namely young females & gay boys. A girl group is generally limited to that - so they're directly in competition with each other, unlike Alex/Leona. Little Mix have launched to a ready-made big fan base, and have quite clearly connected with females, which is key. Meanwhile The Saturdays have struggled to build up and maintain a fan base across 4 albums worth of material, and are currently doing terribly sales wise. The last thing The Saturdays really needed was a new girl group to possibly poach the rather small fan base they currently have. It couldn't have happened at a worse time, as they hit a new low in their career. #23 album, 33,500 sales. For that to even constitute as "Britain's biggest girl group" is a sad state of affairs really. The Saturdays aren't major competition for Little Mix at this point, but Little Mix are worrying competition for The Saturdays. It didn't take long for the press long to latch on to Little Mix v The Saturdays either. They're already starting to write The Saturdays off as having "an uncertain future". QUOTE Despite embarking on their All Fired Up tour, the future of the girl group doesn't look so certain following the pregnancy of Una Healy. Frankie Sandford has also kept fans guessing, recently taking a two month hiatus due to a mystery illness, and only taking part in select appearances. And now Little Mix look certain to steal their crown, Mollie, 24, is bidding farewell for an unexpected taste of Mumbai. [Daily Mail] QUOTE Little Mix win X Factor - so the The Saturdays* leave the country Ok, maybe just one Saturday - Mollie King is set to move to India. Mollie's decision comes at a time when her band The Saturdays' future is in a lot of question. As well as her bandmate Una Healy being pregnant, Frankie Sandford has recently taken some time off from the band due to a mystery illness. With Little Mix winning the X Factor, their position as the UK's main girlband is looking under some threat. The return of Girls Aloud - rumoured to be happening with a 10 year reunion tour next year - will also affect them. [Mirror] 
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14th December 2011, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE(SatsFan @ Dec 13 2011, 09:21 PM) No point in Dancing on their grave. It's all about Little Mix now Time to change your username then? Bore off, stop dancing on your own grave and posting here if you're just going to quit liking a group just because of a chart position but not because of the music itself. How long you gonna give it before you ditch Little Mix for the next girlband?  You're not a 'fan' of any artist, clearly a glory hunter who latches on to who's popular.Sad. It is okay to like two girlbands at the same time you know.. This post has been edited by Encore: 14th December 2011, 08:07 AM |
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14th December 2011, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 14 2011, 01:47 AM) The Difference is Boybands get all the amazing promotion. .. Because they've all made a huge success out of themselves at the end of the day. And if you're referring to The X Factor which I imagine you are, then all of the boy bands have ties to The X Factor and SyCo (apart from Westlife, now, and The Wanted, but let's not go there..) It's got nothing to do with "They're a boy band, we MUST give them amazing promotion". They've simply carved out a good name for themselves.. with the help of SyCo. |
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14th December 2011, 01:22 PM
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I doubt Mollie would ever leave The Saturdays
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14th December 2011, 04:20 PM
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Eurgh it's so frustrating being a Saturdays fan. I dont get how their fanbase are supposed to care about their career when it doesn't even sound like they do. They had such an amazing opportunity and they've blown it. They've never been able to build on 'Chasing Lights', and they never will any more, it's sad cause they've had some amazing singles, but the public just don't care about them at all, and I don't think they ever have done to a huge extent to be honest.
With Little Mix on the scene now, I can't see things getting better for them, the few fans they do have left will probably drift over there and loon over Little Mix. |
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14th December 2011, 05:09 PM
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If Mollie left The Saturdays, I'd be absolutely gutted. I highly doubt it's true though.
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14th December 2011, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(Tabloid Darling. @ Dec 14 2011, 05:20 PM) the few fans they do have left will probably drift over there and loon over Little Mix. What a lovely group of fans they have then, dumping their loved artist for the newest cool act. |
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14th December 2011, 09:30 PM
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You get ludicrous comments on here!
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14th December 2011, 10:48 PM
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My point about Little Mix as the winners was they would actually flop with their own material. Both two latest winners flopped and were outshadowed by the runner-ups. I can see Little Mix doing that too. They will do an 'Alexandra Burke' at most I think, which is a good thing though.
But with or without Little Mix I can't see the Saturdays lasting long unfortunately. And we won't have any girl-bands at all since then. |
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14th December 2011, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE(Arrs @ Dec 14 2011, 10:48 PM) My point about Little Mix as the winners was they would actually flop with their own material. Both two latest winners flopped and were outshadowed by the runner-ups. I can see Little Mix doing that too. They will do an 'Alexandra Burke' at most I think, which is a good thing though. But with or without Little Mix I can't see the Saturdays lasting long unfortunately. And we won't have any girl-bands at all since then. Don't want this thread turning into a Little Mix one, but I can't see that happening. Little Mix will have at least a #1 second single & album. |
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14th December 2011, 11:05 PM
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Can we stay on topic please.
And as a closing comment regarding "Saturdays will split because of Little Mix" is total nonsense. If that was the case then you wouldn't have 4-5 boy bands would you in the UK right now. There's a place for everyone in the industry, get over it. Whatever happens to The Saturdays next year will have nothing to do with Little Mix. Just as a comparison with their past albums, this is how much they each sold up to their 3rd charting week. 43,500 - Chasing Lights 41,500 - Headlines 33,500 - On Your Radar 25,500 - Wordshaker So they're 'worse off' by 10k than when they started out 3yrs ago. This post has been edited by 2ndAdventure: 14th December 2011, 11:24 PM |
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15th December 2011, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 14 2011, 11:05 PM) Can we stay on topic please. Considering that then, that's not too bad. Especially seeing as album sales are abysmal at the moment and are definitely worse than they were 3 years or so ago.
And as a closing comment regarding "Saturdays will split because of Little Mix" is total nonsense. If that was the case then you wouldn't have 4-5 boy bands would you in the UK right now. There's a place for everyone in the industry, get over it. Whatever happens to The Saturdays next year will have nothing to do with Little Mix. Just as a comparison with their past albums, this is how much they each sold up to their 3rd charting week. 43,500 - Chasing Lights 41,500 - Headlines 33,500 - On Your Radar 25,500 - Wordshaker So they're 'worse off' by 10k than when they started out 3yrs ago. |
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15th December 2011, 02:19 AM
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Jonjo that's a rubbish excuse LOL. There is *no* way of painting 33.5k after three weeks as a success.
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15th December 2011, 02:30 AM
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QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 15 2011, 02:19 AM) Jonjo that's a rubbish excuse LOL. There is *no* way of painting 33.5k after three weeks as a success. By no means are we trying to sugar coat this, but album sales are considerably lower than they where 3yrs ago. If it wasn't for the Christmas market right now You'd be looking at 15k for this album so far in '2011' sales terms - it was only 8k for a Top 10 about 6wks ago. Under these circumstances, maybe there is still legs in this album. Maybe a well executed single release next year could stabilize the LP. It's a possibility, something that shouldn't be ruled out. |
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15th December 2011, 02:47 AM
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QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 15 2011, 02:30 AM) By no means are we trying to sugar coat this, but album sales are considerably lower than they where 3yrs ago. If it wasn't for the Christmas market right now You'd be looking at 15k for this album so far in '2011' sales terms - it was only 8k for a Top 10 about 6wks ago. They're what, 25% lower? If they had a solid fanbase this wouldn't even be a problem but their releases are so dependent upon catching a crowd who aren't really into them but just happens to like their latest song or whatever. Also I don't buy that the Christmas market has given them a lift. Maybe they thought it would but if this album had come out 3 months earlier, I bet it would have achieved the exact same sales, just a higher chart position. |
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15th December 2011, 03:40 AM
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QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 15 2011, 02:47 AM) They're what, 25% lower? If they had a solid fanbase this wouldn't even be a problem but their releases are so dependent upon catching a crowd who aren't really into them but just happens to like their latest song or whatever. Also I don't buy that the Christmas market has given them a lift. Maybe they thought it would but if this album had come out 3 months earlier, I bet it would have achieved the exact same sales, just a higher chart position. Oh the Christmas market has definitely given it a lift. It's not exclusive to The Saturdays though, it applies to any artist that releases this time of year due to the increase in album sales given as gifts at Christmas, stating the obvious. For example, 2008: 2nd week of October: 16k for #10 2nd week of December: 69k for #10 2009: 2nd week of October: 15k for #10 2nd week of December: 76k for #10 2010: 2nd week of October: 13k for #10 2nd week of December: 62k for #10 2011: 2nd week of October: 12k for #10 2nd week of December: 60k for #10 This shows a significant rise of sales during every 4th quatre to get a Top 10 album. This also shows the drop in album sales over the past 4yrs. For example in 2009 you needed 76k for a #10 in December, and in 2011 you need 16k less (60k) for a Top 10 in December. Also 16k for a Top 10 in 2008 in October, and 4k less (12k) for a Top 10 in October 2011. This post has been edited by 2ndAdventure: 15th December 2011, 03:41 AM |
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15th December 2011, 09:40 AM
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Random question: can you guys tell me which songs does Frankie have any lead vocals on. I've just realized I haven't once singled her out on the album :/
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