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Tafty³³³ View member profile	15th December 2011, 12:06 PM Post #181
I found the love, I found the love in me Pronouns: He/Him Joined: 13 December 2007 Posts: 87,463 User: 5,042	QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 15 2011, 02:19 AM) Jonjo that's a rubbish excuse LOL. There is no way of painting 33.5k after three weeks as a success. Oh 33.5k is not a success, but in Sats terms, I'd say it wasn't particularly bad either. It's not too far behind their 3rd week sales of 'Headlines' and had sales been stronger/2008 standard, I'm pretty confident this album would be closer to 'Headlines', if not above it. But there's no way of telling/proving that now so I'm just gonna move on. This album has flopped but that sales breakdown has given me hope that this album could get another little boost. (Providing 'The Way You Watch Me' is the hit I'm thinking it will be) But anyway. It's clear The Saturdays aren't album sellers anyway, so it's prety much as expected for them. It's just a shame the peak and chart run is so crap.


-Jay- View member profile	15th December 2011, 01:19 PM Post #182
"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi. Pronouns: he/him Joined: 4 April 2007 Posts: 41,456 User: 3,217	QUOTE(shakilover @ Dec 15 2011, 09:40 AM) Random question: can you guys tell me which songs does Frankie have any lead vocals on. I've just realized I haven't once singled her out on the album :/ 'Faster' definitely, and someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she's the one who starts off 'The Way You Watch Me'.


shadow2009 View member profile	15th December 2011, 03:56 PM Post #183
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 November 2009 Posts: 9,236 User: 10,059	You can't just say the sales "aren't that bad" because they're close to Headlines. Headlines only had one new single to promote it when it was released (OYR had three) and was a much cheaper option for the label. 33K on the third week of a major album launch (3 singles, winter release, fourth album by the UK's "biggest girlband", tour etc) is dreadful for absolutely anyone. Olly Murs has already sold 300K in three weeks (he'll have overtaken Chasing Lights in a few days presumably, and we saw 340K for that was a "huge success" for The Sats). We can't keep mushing everything down and say "oh it's good for The Sats" because at the end of the day they're getting the same amount of money spent on them as other artists and at this stage they SHOULD be able to compete with the big acts.


missingyou View member profile	15th December 2011, 04:20 PM Post #184
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 29 September 2007 Posts: 2,632 User: 4,429	QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 15 2011, 03:56 PM) You can't just say the sales "aren't that bad" because they're close to Headlines. Headlines only had one new single to promote it when it was released (OYR had three) and was a much cheaper option for the label. 33K on the third week of a major album launch (3 singles, winter release, fourth album by the UK's "biggest girlband", tour etc) is dreadful for absolutely anyone. Olly Murs has already sold 300K in three weeks (he'll have overtaken Chasing Lights in a few days presumably, and we saw 340K for that was a "huge success" for The Sats). We can't keep mushing everything down and say "oh it's good for The Sats" because at the end of the day they're getting the same amount of money spent on them as other artists and at this stage they SHOULD be able to compete with the big acts. mmmm maybe you have written them off but it doesn't mean others have. are you telling us that you thought a few months ago that OYR was gonna sell 700k like an Olly Murs album (an XF contestant, male soloist, TV presenter....) ? Imma say no. it is what it is. they may split. they may not. the most funny thing (and this isnt directed at you shadow!!) is that a few months ago all we had was "OMG! I LOVE NOTOTIOUS ITS GONNA BE THEIR FIRST #1" then a few weeks later "ALL FIRED UP IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN NOTORIOUS, MY FAVE SONG OF THEIRS" and then "OMG! MY HEART TAKES OVER IS EPIC, #1, BEST SINGLE OF THEIRS..." now its "3 weak singles" "crap sound" "nobody likes them" reading back through this whole forum is an actual lol!


Encore View member profile	15th December 2011, 04:32 PM Post #185
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 28 March 2010 Posts: 1,206 User: 10,877	QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 15 2011, 04:20 PM) mmmm maybe you have written them off but it doesn't mean others have. are you telling us that you thought a few months ago that OYR was gonna sell 700k like an Olly Murs album (an XF contestant, male soloist, TV presenter....) ? Imma say no. it is what it is. they may split. they may not. the most funny thing (and this isnt directed at you shadow!!) is that a few months ago all we had was "OMG! I LOVE NOTOTIOUS ITS GONNA BE THEIR FIRST #1" then a few weeks later "ALL FIRED UP IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN NOTORIOUS, MY FAVE SONG OF THEIRS" and then "OMG! MY HEART TAKES OVER IS EPIC, #1, BEST SINGLE OF THEIRS..." now its "3 weak singles" "crap sound" "nobody likes them" reading back through this whole forum is an actual lol! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you've also done this. (Like myself at times ) This post has been edited by Encore: 15th December 2011, 05:04 PM


2ndAdventure View member profile	15th December 2011, 04:41 PM Post #186
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 12 December 2009 Posts: 2,092 User: 10,180	QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 15 2011, 03:56 PM) You can't just say the sales "aren't that bad" because they're close to Headlines. Headlines only had one new single to promote it when it was released (OYR had three) and was a much cheaper option for the label. 33K on the third week of a major album launch (3 singles, winter release, fourth album by the UK's "biggest girlband", tour etc) is dreadful for absolutely anyone. Olly Murs has already sold 300K in three weeks (he'll have overtaken Chasing Lights in a few days presumably, and we saw 340K for that was a "huge success" for The Sats). We can't keep mushing everything down and say "oh it's good for The Sats" because at the end of the day they're getting the same amount of money spent on them as other artists and at this stage they SHOULD be able to compete with the big acts. No-one's sugar coating anything. Headlines had a completely different release strategy so I don't think On Your Radar and Headlines can be compared. Headlines was released off a heavily radio played single (Missing You, airplay #1), plus the reality TV show. What's On Your Radar had? Radio's have been reluctant to touch them after Notorious, but that doesn't mean they weren't getting played because All Fired Up has spent 20wks in the Airplay Top 100. The fact that My Heart Takes Over flopped made everything go from bad to worse, but seeing that they're only down 10k from their 'golden age' from Chasing Lights, it doesn't seem that bad.


-Jay- View member profile	15th December 2011, 04:45 PM Post #187
"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi. Pronouns: he/him Joined: 4 April 2007 Posts: 41,456 User: 3,217	There is a difference between writing them off, and being completely honest about how they're doing at the moment! I agree with shadow2009's post. It's not a reflection at all on being supportive or not, because I truly wish they were doing better.


shadow2009 View member profile	15th December 2011, 05:17 PM Post #188
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 November 2009 Posts: 9,236 User: 10,059	QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 15 2011, 04:20 PM) mmmm maybe you have written them off but it doesn't mean others have. are you telling us that you thought a few months ago that OYR was gonna sell 700k like an Olly Murs album (an XF contestant, male soloist, TV presenter....) ? No, i'm not writing them off actually. I'm being realistic. I've been a fan since the Comic Relief promo, and survived the Wordshaker flop and all the singles underperforming, but there comes a point when you have to sit and think "just HOW are they going to get out of this one?". Wordshaker was a massive blow to them, but they've done even worse with this album (so far) and this was supposed to be their make or break. I don't exactly know what figure I was hoping for but considering their profile and all the circumstances surrounding the release, a minimum of 30K opening week was probably what I had in mind. Maybe about 350/400K in total. They are after all the UK's biggest girlband and have been around for four years. Going back to your accusation that i've gave up on them. No, I haven't. I seen them two nights ago at Glasgow and had a brilliant time and was beaming with pride watching them. I was so happy that the arena was full, that the girls were enjoying themselves and that I got to hear my favourite songs performed. I've bought all their material and have defended them non stop since 2009, but i'd be lying if I said "oh well, they didn't do that bad compared to Parade and Wonderland, so they should be safe for another album". They're in a very awkward position right now - Una is pregnant and will be taking time off, Frankie is part time, this album just bombed, radio aren't supporting them, the media are already predicting the end, attention and hype is on Little Mix (at the moment, and no i'm not saying there can't be more than one girlband on the scene but The Sats are relying on sponsors and the 'UK's biggest girlband tag' and Little Mix have ITV/X-Factor/pre-built fanbase behind them). What's the next step? They need to get another single out ASAP and just pray it not only is a hit (i.e more than 200K) but also get that album back into the top 40 and get it selling. If their next single follows the same trend as MHTO then I don't know what they'll do, honestly.


Tafty³³³ View member profile	15th December 2011, 06:02 PM Post #189
I found the love, I found the love in me Pronouns: He/Him Joined: 13 December 2007 Posts: 87,463 User: 5,042	I'm coming across as a right loon, but seriously I can definitely see your side of things and find myself agreeing with your post a few posts up. But it's hard trying to get something round on an internet. People often misread/misinterpret what you actually think/want to say. I am terrible for wording things on here but I do think The Sats will be safe, at the very least until their next album. Everything they do after Una giving birth/resting will truly be the make or break era for them. They're the "UK's biggest girl group" in an era where the girl group is fading and pretty much have it by default, they've done well to survive through it now. So it's difficult to know what to expect from the biggest girl group at this moment in time. (does that make sense? Haha.) Hopefully with Little Mix being the XF winners it will give some positive light on girl groups in general (not just The Saturdays) and help them become successful that little bit more. We can only hope that The Sats will actually get their arses into gear and see they now have a real threat and competition and will do everything they've already done, but on a bigger scale. (for example MORE PROMOTION when it's needed most. Not going on holidays when they release a song!!)


Liаm View member profile	15th December 2011, 06:11 PM Post #190
Brown cow, stunning! Joined: 7 December 2009 Posts: 67,176 User: 10,139	This is probably blind looning but I think there's a chance for their next album to be bigger. Seeing as it seems the boyband phase is dying down (JLS, 1D and The Wanted all underperformed with their latest singles), perhaps, especially with Little Mix winning XF, a new girlband era could be dawning? Meh, probably just wishful thinking I agree with Jonjo though, they will need to properly crank it up a notch (although it does feel like they endlessly promote to the point of almost desperation as it is ) to stay afloat!


shadow2009 View member profile	15th December 2011, 06:33 PM Post #191
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 November 2009 Posts: 9,236 User: 10,059	I agree there could be some sort of "revival" regarding girl bands. We've had One Direction, The Wanted and JLS as the three main boy bands recently, but we've also had "man bands" like Westlife and Take That dominating the charts for years as well. Then there is McFly who've been pretty succesful, Scouting For Girls, and before them there was Busted who were huge. We have many male vocalist groups/bands (Coldplay, The Script, Maroon 5, OneRepublic and all the rock bands) but very little female fronted bands. When you look at the charts, it's pretty much split between solo females, male rappers, female dance acts, boy bands and the occasional solo male. There's very little girl groups in the charts and aside from The Sats we've only had Parade, Wonderland, Mini Viva, Belle Aime, Dolly Rockers, Soundgirl, Girls Can't Catch and none of them even had a proper hit. I would like to blame their flops purely on their image, promotion, material etc but I think in reality girl bands are the toughest type of act to have success and i'm very interested to see what impact Little Mix have on The Sats (because I do genuinely think there will be some sort of impact, whether positive or negative).


BOOBA GRANDE View member profile	15th December 2011, 07:09 PM Post #192
You don't have to be fabulous to be good Joined: 10 March 2008 Posts: 9,915 User: 5,591	While comparing the sales don't forget that all the albums, including 'On Your Radar', have the Christmas boost now. The Sats didn't have that Christmas boost on their first three weeks during all their former LP/Headlines releases. Let's just wait and see. Personally, I think they will release the Best Of next and see how it will do. If well we shall have the chance of more albums in the future. And I don't see any revival in the girl-band sphere. We have had the flop after flop this year there. Yep, Little Mix won the XF but they will have relatively low first week sales of their winner single. Besides, they might flop with their own material. This post has been edited by Arrs: 15th December 2011, 07:11 PM


matty9694 View member profile	15th December 2011, 09:41 PM Post #193
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 9 January 2010 Posts: 202 User: 10,413	I think you could all be right about the Girl Band revival, I hope so anyway! However, I do think that The Sats will have to change their image from polished, perfect pop princess type to who they really are, down to earth and great fun! Before I became a proper fan (after JCGE), I always thought they were 5 boring faceless girls, so I think they should put their personalities into their videos much more! They are some of the nicest, funniest and most genuine girls in music. I think their current image threatens girls. You probably all disagree, but I this is just my opinion.


jark View member profile	15th December 2011, 09:46 PM Post #194
something you consider rare Joined: 25 February 2007 Posts: 57,223 User: 2,990	QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 15 2011, 03:40 AM) Oh the Christmas market has definitely given it a lift. It's not exclusive to The Saturdays though, it applies to any artist that releases this time of year due to the increase in album sales given as gifts at Christmas, stating the obvious. This shows a significant rise of sales during every 4th quatre to get a Top 10 album. This also shows the drop in album sales over the past 4yrs. For example in 2009 you needed 76k for a #10 in December, and in 2011 you need 16k less (60k) for a Top 10 in December. Also 16k for a Top 10 in 2008 in October, and 4k less (12k) for a Top 10 in October 2011. I understand the notion of sales increasing during the final six weeks of the year - what I'm saying is that their sales would probably have been the same whenever they released this, it's only the positions which would have changed. I would bet that few if any buyers are buying this as a Christmas gift. It just seems to be their small fanbase buying, hence the drop off every week.


shadow2009 View member profile	15th December 2011, 09:49 PM Post #195
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 November 2009 Posts: 9,236 User: 10,059	The thing is, they're doing well on the arena tour. There's more people willing to pay £25+ to see them live than there is people willing to pay less than a tenner for the album!


2ndAdventure View member profile	15th December 2011, 10:58 PM Post #196
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 12 December 2009 Posts: 2,092 User: 10,180	QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 15 2011, 09:46 PM) I understand the notion of sales increasing during the final six weeks of the year - what I'm saying is that their sales would probably have been the same whenever they released this, it's only the positions which would have changed. I would bet that few if any buyers are buying this as a Christmas gift. It just seems to be their small fanbase buying, hence the drop off every week. No way would they have had the same sales if they'd released this a few months earlier. That 18k that they opened with for example was down to the 25% more people buying albums in shops for Christmas. Just coming up with random figures here, nothing official, just for example. You take away that 25% and that's what they would have opened with a few months ago. My HMV still had On Your Radar in the chart section which is pretty decent.


DoggySwami View member profile	17th December 2011, 12:43 PM Post #197
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 11 April 2010 Posts: 1,144 User: 10,950	QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 15 2011, 06:17 PM) Wordshaker was a massive blow to them, but they've done even worse with this album (so far) and this was supposed to be their make or break. They are actually doing quite better? selling more albums and more singles than Wordshaker and Forever Is Over. And getting the profits from an arena tour.


shadow2009 View member profile	17th December 2011, 07:03 PM Post #198
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 November 2009 Posts: 9,236 User: 10,059	QUOTE(The47thbelmon @ Dec 17 2011, 12:43 PM) They are actually doing quite better? selling more albums and more singles than Wordshaker and Forever Is Over. And getting the profits from an arena tour. Thing is, with Wordshaker they were kind of allowed to flop because of so many factors (one single promoting the album, released FAR too early, awful image change, awful lead single etc) but now they've had three singles, much more money pumped into them, they've been around for another two years and supposed to have built up a fanbase and they're not making any progress. And actually Ego has sold more than the album (OYR) and it's most succesful single (AFU) together.


2ndAdventure View member profile	17th December 2011, 07:16 PM Post #199
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 12 December 2009 Posts: 2,092 User: 10,180	QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 17 2011, 07:03 PM) Thing is, with Wordshaker they were kind of allowed to flop because of so many factors (one single promoting the album, released FAR too early, awful image change, awful lead single etc) but now they've had three singles, much more money pumped into them, they've been around for another two years and supposed to have built up a fanbase and they're not making any progress. And actually Ego has sold more than the album (OYR) and it's most succesful single (AFU) together. "They where allowed to flop" ? You for real? I've seen some bizarre comments about some of their failures, but this is just a ridiculous excuse. I don't get what you're saying about Ego. It outsold On Your Radar (so far) yes.. but are you also forgetting that it's probably outsold their other 3 LP's too? Moot point. What 'Ego' has to do with On Your Radar is beyond me.


shadow2009 View member profile	17th December 2011, 09:36 PM Post #200
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 November 2009 Posts: 9,236 User: 10,059	QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 17 2011, 07:16 PM) "They where allowed to flop" ? You for real? I've seen some bizarre comments about some of their failures, but this is just a ridiculous excuse. I don't get what you're saying about Ego. It outsold On Your Radar (so far) yes.. but are you also forgetting that it's probably outsold their other 3 LP's too? Moot point. What 'Ego' has to do with On Your Radar is beyond me. I did say "kind of". I meant that the flop was expected and wasn't as disastrous as this one due to the factors being completely different. Wordshaker bombed because everything surrounding it was a mess, so we kind of let The Sats off with it and just prayed it wouldn't happen again and after all (as we thought back then) nearly every artist suffers a sophomore curse. On Your Radar should never have flopped at all and there's nothing really to blame it flopping on, unlike Wordshaker. It's not like we can say "oh it's just a second album slump" anymore. And I was picking up on what the poster I quoted said about The Sats selling more singles than Forever Is Over (when actually FIO has sold much much more than MHTO and only about 10K less than Notorious and 20K less than AFU, hardly a growth) and selling albums than Wordshaker (when it seems that right now OYR will probably sell less or roughly the same as it).