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 17th December 2011, 09:38 PM
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I can see Shadow's point, given that there wasn't quite as much of a fanbase, quite as much money put into it, the lead single did badly and there wasn't as much hype - it was more justifiable that Wordshaker flopped, whereas with OYR, there was promo galore, you can tell money was pumped in and their fanbase has built up - yet still it misses top 20.
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18th December 2011, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 17 2011, 07:03 PM)  they were kind of allowed to flop QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 17 2011, 07:16 PM) "They where allowed to flop" ? Sorry, I don't mean to be rude but I can't resist pointing this out - it's 'were', not 'where'.  Perhaps "they were kind of allowed to flop" was a little bit generous, but Shadow's overall point makes a lot of sense to me, as does Liam's follow up post. The current era almost seems worse to me than the 'Wordshaker' era, considering it's 2 years on from then - the complete lack of progression is disheartening. It always feels like one step forward and two steps back with these girls. Completing a half-capacity arena tour is all well and good, but at this stage of their career I don't think it should be lauded as a greater success than it is. I certainly don't think it's enough to completely excuse their current level of record sales. Question is, can the next tour be full-capacity? Could they do more dates?  The "Black curtain" tends to be the kiss of death for an artist doing arenas again - for example, the Sugababes. I'm not convinced there will be much demand for another Saturdays arena tour, not after how they're currently doing on the charts. The only way I see another arena tour being feasible is if they waited for another 18 months to do one. For example, release a Greatest Hits towards the end of 2012, and then put tickets on sale for a tour in mid-2013. The big gap between tours would possibly drum up greater demand for another one. If they announce another one too quickly, I fear it'd be a disaster. |
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18th December 2011, 07:36 PM
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Down ten places to #85 this week.
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18th December 2011, 07:48 PM
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Least they have passed 40k!
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18th December 2011, 07:54 PM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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They're not catastrophically flopping quite as hard as expected actually, obviously it's still not a massive success but I honestly expected it to be long gone from the top 100 by now, so for it to only be just outside top 75 is good (relatively) I suppose.
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18th December 2011, 07:57 PM
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It's certainly slowed down alot from falling #23 - #53 (30 places) then #53 - #75 (22 places), but they really need another single out NOW before it's out of the top 100 and stops showing up on all the charts/people forget about it.
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18th December 2011, 08:55 PM
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There's only 1 new entry ahead of them, so that helped them have the opportunity to not dive as much this week.
Albums that were #76, 77, 78, 80, 83, 85, 86, 87, 88, 90, 96 and 101 last week are ahead of them this week (plus that 1 new entry). 'On Your Radar' is higher this week than the albums that were #68, 69 and 74 last week (Korn, Nightwish & Wham! respectively). The only positive to draw from this is that at least they didn't fall below more albums they were out-selling last week, lol. #85 is still only #85.  Colour me not impressed.
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18th December 2011, 09:11 PM
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Yeah, #85 is an awful position for an album this new. And 40k sales are awful, especially when it's not likely to get much higher.
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18th December 2011, 11:41 PM
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Its falling has slowed? The fall couldn't exactly have sped up anymore
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18th December 2011, 11:58 PM
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At least the album has potential to linger in the Top 100 for a bit then since there's no significant album releases until after New Year, maybe even later on than that. The sales will plummet though.
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19th December 2011, 03:27 AM
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I hope it can hang in the top 100 next week. They need to release single 4 to the radio's now. The worrying thing is that they will not be doing a video for it until Mid January as they are away to have a two week break unless they are doing the video now.
They need to start working their asses off, should still be promoting and take advantage on the Christmas sales! Hopefully the album shifts around 10,000+ next week. |
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19th December 2011, 11:58 AM
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They're going on a two week break?
 What idiots if that's true. I know they've just finished a tour (but come on, it was hardly the Born This Way Ball or the Loud tour) but do they really need a two week break at this crucial point of their careers? They need a new single out FAST or else this album, era and possibly their careers will be dead. Although I suppose if their label are allowing them to have a break than that means they probably aren't concerned about the sales/chart position? Either way The Sats need to put some effort in. If I were them i'd refuse a break until I got the 4th video shot. |
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19th December 2011, 12:16 PM
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TBH i think they need a break, even though the tour wasn't long they will still be warn out, especially their voices. Then after the break they can come back super fresh and work extremely hard.
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19th December 2011, 12:27 PM
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19th December 2011, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 19 2011, 11:58 AM) They're going on a two week break? What idiots if that's true. I know they've just finished a tour (but come on, it was hardly the Born This Way Ball or the Loud tour) but do they really need a two week break at this crucial point of their careers? They need a new single out FAST or else this album, era and possibly their careers will be dead. Although I suppose if their label are allowing them to have a break than that means they probably aren't concerned about the sales/chart position? Either way The Sats need to put some effort in. If I were them i'd refuse a break until I got the 4th video shot. It's Christmas and New Year, for crying out loud. They're not taking a random 2 week holiday off like they did around the Notorious release. They've been on the road for almost three weeks now rehearsing, on stages around the UK for 13 90 minute shows over 2 weeks... and they're idiots for having a bit of time off - like pretty much everyone else in the UK will be - to spend with their families and friends over the next week for Xmas and New Year and to rest themselves for the first few months of 2012?  While I don't think they should have toured this month, and the tour is hardly on the scale of Gaga etc, and I think instead been out promoting the album anywhere and everywhere, they do need a bit of downtime to sort themselves out and freshen themselves up for the next few months - especially Una.After the first few days of New Year they'll be straight back into the thick of things and trying to sort this out and finalise a potential 4th single asap and shoot the vid late/mid Jan. I hope. This post has been edited by Encore: 19th December 2011, 12:58 PM |
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19th December 2011, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(Encore @ Dec 19 2011, 12:46 PM) It's Christmas and New Year, for crying out loud. They've been on the road for almost three weeks now rehearsing, touring the UK for 90-ish mins a night for 13 shows over 2 weeks, and they're idiots for having a bit of time off - like pretty much everyone else in the UK will be - to spend with their families and friends over the next week for Xmas and New Year and to rest themselves for the first few months of 2012? After the first few days of New Year they'll be straight back into the thick of things and trying to sort this out. I hope.  But The Sats need to think about their careers. I'm not denying them Christmas and New Year, but they don't need two full weeks for a break. Their tour was fairly short and they always had days off in between dates. Other artists have tours lasting for a year around the world and miss Christmas and New Year. It's what you sometimes have to do in your career. Right now their "baby" album is bombing down the charts and is unlikely to stabilise anytime soon. They have the choice to wait until January to start filming the video and somehow hope the album can return back to the charts (even though it'll be well out of the top 100 by that point) or try and get a few days before then and get it filmed and get it released as soon as possible. They can get a video shot in a day and then they don't need to do any work for the rest of the holidays as the video will be out and hopefully the single/album will both stay in the charts long enough until The Sats have returned and can start promoting. Forget a video, why can't they just announce the next single and get it sent to radio? Why don't they even try and get a signing booked? I'm not saying they can't spend Xmas Day and New Year Eve/Day with their family but they have to think about their careers. They can't just think "oh well we've done a short UK tour so we can afford to do what we want for two weeks". Real artists work every day and spend all their time striving to be the best they can. If they don't release a fourth single, or they wait until the middle of January to film a video (knowing it won't be out until February) then yes, they are idiots. This is their careers. They know what they're signing up for when you choose to be a pop star, your personal lives come second. (i'm sorry if I sound harsh but I really want them to make this era a success and they just don't seem to be doing anything to try and sell it!) |
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19th December 2011, 01:35 PM
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Shadow you are talking complete sense. The Saturdays have a little girls mentality and have fans making silly excuses for them. So they miss xmas and new years? So? Whats the point of having those two days you've had for over 20 years when your career dies and you eventually end up broke? lol. Being in the music business is not a walk in the park and where you stand shows how much work you put in. The girls work, but they don't work hard to the bone. Only during the Missing You promotion work did they put effort in and it showed.
If they were truly driven like at the start of their career even when they were so fresh and new then they'd be somewhere a lot higher right now. Perhaps US artists have a different work ethic and they're managed by people who know how exactly to get their artists to be the best of themselves they can be. It seems, UK management is way too lenient and don't really think 2 steps ahead because if they had, they would've shot their 4th single video while Una was in the early stages of her pregnancy, but now instead they will make a boring simple video to make sure there's no strain on Una as she will be heavily pregnant. What Beyoncé has been doing while pregnant this year puts all these girls put together to shame and I'm not even a massive fan. But she's done something like 5/6 videos (and some of those videos included several dance routines -Run the world, Countdown..), a live concert performance (roseland), glastonbury, as well as performances internationally (which I can somewhat substitute for the sats arena tour in terms of travel and audience). They ought to take a leaf out of a real hard workers book to learn how it's done. Even Miss work Non Stop Rihanna, my God. The Loud Era and tour barely finished and she's already released another album and has been promoting it non stop as well as preparing for the next tour i'm sure lol. She's gotten where she is because of her work ethic because she's nowhere near as talented as the Sats but she has been pushed and she's also pushed to get herself to be a mega star. Sorry to ramble and stuff but really I hate people that make excuse, I know what it's like to be a musician. People don't give two sh*ts about excuses. You either do it, or you don't. The fact that you're tired/pregnant/ill/old or whatever does not matter. Work hard to get it, or you die out. It's that simple to be honest. The only 'excuse' I could comprehend for the sats is that they started from scratch and didn't have the reality tv exposure etc but then again....Spice Girls? All Saints? Sugababes? Destinys Child? En Vogue? I know, different genres and eras but it's not a fantastic 'excuse'. This post has been edited by Jaynote: 19th December 2011, 01:40 PM |
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19th December 2011, 04:26 PM
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I love this album, Such a shame to see it flopping.
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19th December 2011, 06:14 PM
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I feel sorry for the girls, but maybe them taking this break is because they have realised its the end/ decided to call it a day, and are just biding a bit of time?
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19th December 2011, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 19 2011, 06:14 PM) I feel sorry for the girls, but maybe them taking this break is because they have realised its the end/ decided to call it a day, and are just biding a bit of time? Thing is, though, it wouldn't BE the end if the girls put more effort in. Obviously they do *enough* (promoting during single weeks, touring and doing gigs) but they should be doing more. It's not their fault that the album has flopped, but they aren't even trying to save it! If I were them i'd be doing everything I could to get out there and either start promoting the next single or do some signings to keep interest. How are they ever going to break Europe (never mind the US!) if they need a two week break at Christmas? Pop stars need to make sacrifices and put their work first. Fair enough Una is pregnant but the other four girls always seem really lazy anyway. Some fans on here are far too forgiving. Yes, they're human beings and they need a break but we're acting as if they've done alot this year! They've only ever really put some effort in for the singles promotion (and even then MHTO barely got any) and done a short tour in December. I want my pop stars to be the best they can be and although The Sats are extremely unlucky regarding sales and chart positions, they simply aren't putting the effort in to justify them getting any success anyway! |
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