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post 14th August 2013, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(I LOVE GAGA @ Aug 14 2013, 11:12 AM) *
No I just fail to see how Gaga can resemble Mel C of all people. They don't look alike at all huh.gif Isn't Mel C like 40 now?!


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post 14th August 2013, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(I LOVE GAGA @ Aug 14 2013, 11:12 AM) *
No I just fail to see how Gaga can resemble Mel C of all people. They don't look alike at all huh.gif Isn't Mel C like 40 now?!


Isn't Gaga? She certainly looks it.
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post 14th August 2013, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(Regina @ Aug 14 2013, 11:34 AM) *
Isn't Gaga? She certainly looks it.

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Still getting held back by Katy in the US? Major OOPS. Flop.
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post 14th August 2013, 11:40 AM
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Anyway, the album preorder is doing incredibly well worldwide. #1 pretty much everywhere (51 countries) and the real promotion hasn't even started for it yet. High hopes that she can have another massive album on her hands especially with the Christmas rush.
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post 14th August 2013, 11:42 AM
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Indeed, and Gaga is certainly capable of selling quite a few albums so I'm hoping the public gives her another chance after Born This Way. The Christmas period should also boost her sales which significantly too! biggrin.gif
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post 14th August 2013, 11:53 AM
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Oh COME ON she does look like Mel C there (and no that isn't an insult to either of them smile.gif).
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post 14th August 2013, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(Jáhq @ Aug 14 2013, 11:14 AM) *
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Same as VB!

Yeah but she does look like Mel C there.
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post 14th August 2013, 10:03 PM
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I just read in the iTunes thread that MEL C is releasing a new single lol who would have thought! laugh.gif
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post 14th August 2013, 10:05 PM
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Yeah and it's actually a no.1 contender :/ We were predicting a possibility of upwards of 200k+
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post 15th August 2013, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(Mariah Scary @ Aug 13 2013, 01:21 AM) *
Must've remembered that line wrong but still...idk this post sort of sums it up well for me. I'm, of course, not personally offended but a lot of people are and that's enough 2 make me listen up. Also seeing a bunch of white twinks on Tumblr using freakin' towels as Burqa's after the song leaked definitely left me with a nasty feeling.

“The thing about this appropriation of the burqa that people need to understand is that people like Lady Gaga haven’t done a thing for the communities [here and abroad] that wear, live and breathe the garb who are subjected to harassment for doing so. The words “appreciation” and “admiration” are painfully hollow when you take a piece of clothing from a community and strip it of its intent and the consequences that come from it. Lady Gaga makes millions and taxes subsequently take a huge chunk of those millions. Therein, a quarter of her taxes are used to ravage Muslim majority populations. Has she spoken out about this? Has anyone orientalist who bast*rdizes our garb done so? Where were they when the Sikh tragedy happened? Where are they now when Newsweek posts a horribly offensive article on Muslim rage, aggressively written by their puppet Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who I’m ashamed to call my fellow Somali? Do they come to our defense when we’re expected to kneel over and apologize on behalf of extremists, who funnily enough kill us as well? If I wear a burqa, niqab.. or hell even a f***ing hijab, I’m a stupid, brown savage who has no capacity to think for herself. But when Gaga wears it, its revolutionary and fashionable. People love to scream equality and colorblindedness when such an event arises, but such a world is completely theoretical until we fix these the caricatured perceptions about Islam. The power dynamics here cannot be ignored.”


Some of her fans copy every look she does and upload it to tumblr / littlemonsters.com, it is tragic, but I don't begrudge however they choose to express themselves or find escapism; most likely it's something they will look back on in embarrassment in years to come.

The difference between Aura and Born This Way is that Gaga isn't trying to take a political stance, so I find the idea that someone would want her to sit down on Newsnight to discuss the percentage of taxes going towards the war on terror a bit too reactionary in its outrage. She wanted to wear a Burqa in "a move of passion", and it's a pretty positive portrayal in any case, she says she is a "woman of choice" and wears a veil to "hide the gorgeousness of [her] face"; she's using a Burqa as a literal metaphor for a woman's mystique and the enigma of the popstar.

Of course, I can't say whether or not it's offensive to Islamic women, but assigning a different meaning on what is seen by some as a symbol of oppressive patriarchy is not necessarily a bad thing. Here's a pretty good read about the issue;

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commen...en-8756228.html


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post 15th August 2013, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(I LOVE GAGA @ Aug 15 2013, 02:03 AM) *
I just read in the iTunes thread that MEL C is releasing a new single lol who would have thought! laugh.gif

Like the entire world perhaps? The song was revealed like a month ago. Your GaGa glasses hindered your vision I guess.
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post 15th August 2013, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(I LOVE GAGA @ Aug 14 2013, 11:03 PM) *
I just read in the iTunes thread that MEL C is releasing a new single lol who would have thought! laugh.gif


She heard you didn't think she was beautiful so rushed to record a duet with Matt Cardle to spite you.
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post 15th August 2013, 03:53 PM
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I'm reading regularly about how people think this would have done better than Applause, which I think is crazy. Personally I believe Burqa is so dated and would have fit in with the Fame Monster era, it's basically Bad Romance just far from as great.
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post 17th August 2013, 01:56 AM
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Possible premiere of a new song on ARTPOP called "Swine" (PLEASE a Perez dig).



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post 17th August 2013, 04:42 AM
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Source?
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Source?


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post 17th August 2013, 07:22 AM
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So she is moving onto the next single quickly?
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Don't think anything's been confirmed yet
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Pop star or avant-garde artist? Lady Gaga wants to be the next Warhol

Stefani Germanotta has conquered the pop world as Lady Gaga, and now she wants to be taken seriously in the art world. As she heads for London, we ask some 'real' artists to rate her chances


Poker face: Lady Gaga in Los Angeles last week. Photograph: MAXA /Landov / Barcroft Media

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The message is crystal clear: do not buy Lady Gaga's latest album or download tracks because she is "over" and "no longer relevant". Many will be happy to obey, but it's not quite that simple. The clarity of the instruction is undermined by the fact that it's Gaga herself who is telling her audience to chuck her over in favour of something new.

Her promotional trailer for the album Artpop is not the first to deploy reverse psychology in the marketplace, but the flamboyant New York singer could well be the first to bill her campaign as the birth of a new artistic movement. Citing the work of pop artist Andy Warhol, Gaga, 27, is setting out "to alter the human experience with social media" and to "bring art culture into pop in a reverse Warholian expedition".

So what exactly is she asking fans to sign up to? An early clue came last week when Gaga, who has already sold 23m albums, was forced to release Applause, the first single from the album, a week early after it was leaked online. Gaga, who performs at London's Roundhouse on September 1, quickly put out a "pop music emergency" tweet to her millions of followers before taking to the streets of Manhattan with her face painted to promote the track. Far from a disaster then, since her perverse advertising push for the album was under way, and she is due to sing the song live at the MTV Music Awards next Sunday.

This will be her first performance following hip surgery in February, and the first time fans will see her newly reduced body shape. Unusually, the Gaga body has been more in focus than the Gaga wardrobe this summer because of a series of nude photo sessions for the next cover of V Magazine , and work with the avant-garde Serbian artist Marina Abramovic.

It's all part of a concerted association with the art world that is to be clinched next month with the launch of a social media app that seeks "to make connections between music, art, fashion and technology". True, you could argue these connections are already there, but these will be Gaga's own connections, fabricated in her bespoke Haus of Gaga workshop. Her team promise to "explode on to the physical and virtual universe" with the album, which will announce a new age, "an age where art drives pop, and the artist once again is in control of the icon".

Cynics may wonder whether the move towards a legitimate artworld platform is simply a strategy to refresh the Gaga brand. And yet the connection with pop art has credibility, not only because of her ironic epigrams about "lying profusely" in interviews, or her preoccupation with fame (her bestselling debut album of 2008 was called The Fame), but because she has picked up on abiding themes in the work of Warhol, the artist who once said: "Making money is art, and working is art, and good business is the best art."

The movement known as pop art began in Britain in the mid-50s, but was taken to the heart of New York's art scene by artists such as Roy Lichtenstein and Warhol, who wanted to steer culture away from its association with elite groups. Irony and kitsch became central elements, as did highlighting the methods by which art was being reproduced for the masses. As a well-heeled Manhattan student, the young Gaga's thesis was on the art of Damien Hirst and the New York-based photographer Spencer Tunick. This weekend Tunick said that he approved of the singer's use of her "phenomenal success". "Any time there is a new perception within the mass culture, there is growth and enlightenment. Whether it's through museums, mass media and, in Lady Gaga's case, music, the inclusion of depth and art into a viral expressive mass outlet like pop music is invaluable in the expansion of new ideas. Hats off to Lady Gaga."

Tunick said Gaga's involvement would "bring a new perception or an experience of the avant garde to a mass audience": "Any artistic intervention into the masses will only move societies in borderline conservative countries to have more acceptance towards human rights issues, women's rights and artistic freedom. Art cannot change the world within a bubble. It takes artists like Warhol, Koons and Abramovic to make strong waves of change in conservative societies."

Turner Prize-winning artist Jeremy Deller also sees Gaga's creative ambitions as entirely acceptable, even necessary. "She's not Warhol. He was a genius who was consistently blank, rather than outrageous. But she is doing exactly what she should be doing as a pop star, looking at everything that has happened in the 20th century and now, in the digital era," he said. If people are outraged, that is in the pop tradition, he argues: "It's about being provocative, and a lot of contemporary art is also about pushing boundaries and innovation. You end up remembering those who did it first."

Deller's art is often inspired by popular music, and his next show, All that is Solid Melts into Air, opening at Manchester Art Gallery in October, looks at working-class musical culture. He admires Gaga, he says, for building a community among her fans, who are known as Little Monsters to her Mother Monster. "She nurtures them rather than just communicates."

Pop music's links to the avant garde date back to its birth and were solemnised when Yoko Ono married John Lennon. More recently, while the Chinese artist Ai Weiwei has recorded a rock track, Abramovic has worked with Jay-Z. Gaga first talked of working with the performance artist in 2010 and has just made a Kickstarter video to raise funds for a centre for the practice of Abramovic's patented exercises, designed to train artists for physical endurance. "She is a hardcore student," she said of Gaga. "I had to blindfold her, and she was in the forest for three hours, eaten by mosquitoes and spiders, scratched by the bushes. It was quite incredible."

Gaga has also worked with the Canadian artist Terence Koh, performing together in Tokyo to an ecstatic, if bewildered, crowd at a cosmetics promotion. "When I'm around Terence I just want to poop out art ideas nonstop," she has said. Koh sounds less convinced, concluding: "Art is a diamond. The rest is just soft, silk pillows for art to tear apart."

For some, however, it is more than Gaga's artistic credentials that are in doubt. In 2010 the feminist writer Camille Paglia pilloried the singer for peddling explicit imagery in a meaningless, asexual way. "Can it be that Gaga represents the exhausted end of the sexual revolution?" she asked. Fans swiftly countered that, for them, this is why Gaga is subversive. By highlighting both the artifice and her status as a plastic pop mannequin with the trademark deadpan expression Paglia has called her "flat affect", the singer is really being more honest. If so, there are echoes of the "deeply superficial" Warhol again.

Yet even among those who get the Gaga message, some have issues with the music itself.

"Lady Gaga has presented herself as a high-concept pop maverick from moment one," said Observer music writer Kitty Empire. "She has consistently referenced Bowie and Warhol, and even came complete with a warehouse-cum-atelier of her own, Haus of Gaga. The trouble is, with the exception of her Bad Romance single, which sounded properly alien and exciting, much of Gaga's musical output has been thoroughly conventional dance-pop. Her new single, Applause, is no exception."

Empire admits that, as a diverting entertainer, Gaga can still deliver. "Her get-ups and pronouncements and cultural nods are roughly 347% more fun, and preposterous, and outré, and enjoyable than most other mainstream pop artists. So when Gaga sings, 'now art's in pop culture's in me', it's not entirely posturing."

Artpop is due for release in November.


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post 19th August 2013, 11:17 AM
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From an interview on NRJ Radio:

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Ratchet maybe.
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