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12th November 2013, 05:25 PM
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Decided to steal the idea because hey, it's not a democracy.
Doing postwar (frankly who cares about Coolidge or Balfour) so unfortunately no FDR. Sorry. And it means you're rating Churchill on his second stint. You're allowed one 11 and one -1 for each list. Don't think we'll be drowning in 10s but a limit of five for both combined, and the same for 0s. Just to be clear, you're rating them on their time in office, not what they've done with the rest of their life (sorry Jimmy). LET'S FILIBUSTER THIS SHIT 00 Harry Truman 00 Dwight Eisenhower 00 John Kennedy 00 Lyndon Johnson 00 Richard Nixon 00 Gerald Ford 00 Jimmy Carter 00 Ronald Reagan 00 George HW Bush 00 Bill Clinton 00 George W Bush 00 Barack Obama 00 Clement Attlee 00 Winston Churchill 00 Anthony Eden 00 Harold Macmillan 00 Alec Douglas-Home 00 Harold Wilson 00 Ted Heath 00 James Callaghan 00 Margaret Thatcher 00 John Major 00 Tony Blair 00 Gordon Brown 00 David Cameron |
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12th November 2013, 05:35 PM
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05 Harry Truman
05 Dwight Eisenhower 03 John Kennedy 05 Lyndon Johnson 05 Richard Nixon 05 Gerald Ford 01 Jimmy Carter 10 Ronald Reagan 04 George HW Bush 11 Bill Clinton -1 George W Bush 06 Barack Obama 05 Clement Attlee 10 Winston Churchill 05 Anthony Eden 04 Harold Macmillan 05 Alec Douglas-Home 02 Harold Wilson 02 Ted Heath 00 James Callaghan 11 Margaret Thatcher 06 John Major -1 Tony Blair 00 Gordon Brown 06 David Cameron Gave 5's to the ones i don't have a particular opinion on This post has been edited by Sandro Raniere: 12th November 2013, 05:37 PM |
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12th November 2013, 10:42 PM
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Including my favourite quotes from each, one serious and one that amuses me (for whatever reason):
09 Harry Truman: you can't argue with that foreign policy record. // "It reflects a reversion to the old idea that the tree can be fertilized at the top instead of at the bottom — the old trickle-down theory." // "I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the president. That's the answer to that. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail." 05 Dwight Eisenhower: the presidential equivalent of milk and cookies. // "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history." // "Leadership consists of nothing but taking responsibility for everything that goes wrong and giving your subordinates credit for everything that goes well." 04 John Kennedy: the vast majority of his good quotes remind me of the old aphorism about the person who read Hamlet for the first time and said it was just a string of clichés. Which is a bit weak given that's all his presidency really was. OVERRATED // "Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names." // "I wonder how it is with you, Harold [Macmillan]? If I don't have a woman for three days, I get terrible headaches." 11 Lyndon Johnson: well look when was the last time YOU created the Great Society? (shu'up Dave). The legislative master of American politics - never matched before or since. It's just a shame about Vietnam and Reagan undoing it all really. Lybz gets three cos he's m'fave - one good, one amusingly ironic, and one about pissing. My favourite thing is there's actually CHOICE for the final category. // "For with a country as with a person, "What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"" // "Fuck your parliament and your constitution. America is an elephant. Cyprus is a flea. Greece is a flea. If these two fleas continue itching the elephant, they may just get whacked good ...We pay a lot of good American dollars to the Greeks, Mr. Ambassador. If your Prime Minister gives me talk about democracy, parliament and constitution, he, his parliament and his constitution may not last long..." // "Making a speech on economics is a lot like pissing down your leg. It seems hot to you, but it never does to anyone else." 05 Richard Nixon: minus two for Chile. Plus a lot for China. Minus more for the anti-Semitism and the sexism. Plus a bit for the domestic policy. Minus a bit for Watergate. Plus 1 for Futurama. Look, let's just call it a 5. // "I am now a Keynesian in economics." // "You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana are Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists." 04 Gerald Ford: he probably made the right decision on Nixon. That's about all he really did. // "To the limits of my strength and ability, I will be the President of black, brown, red, and white Americans, of old and young, of women's liberationists and male chauvinists — and all the rest of us in-between, of the poor and the rich, of native sons and new refugees, of those who work at lathes or at desks or in mines or in the fields, of Christians, Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, and atheists" // "I gave a speech in Omaha. After the speech I went to a reception elsewhere in town. A sweet old lady came up to me, put her gloved hand in mine, and said, "I hear you spoke here tonight." "Oh, it was nothing," I replied modestly. "Yes," the little old lady nodded, "that's what I heard." 02 Jimmy Carter: HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER // "Penalties against drug use should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself." // "I've looked on many women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times. God knows I will do this and forgives me." 00 Ronald Reagan: god I hate that he was an affable old fart. It makes it so difficult to loathe him for the absolute idiocy of starve the beast and, well, the majority of his public statements. At least Maggie cut the budgets BEFORE she did the tax cuts. Reagan was the presidential equivalent of a child who tries to eat his pudding before his dinner. Looking through his quotes, it's quite scary how many of them use Craig logic given this was the most powerful man in the world for eight years. // "Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence." // "Facts are stupid things — stubborn things, I should say."; "Ronald Reagan is the first modern President whose contempt for the facts is treated as a charming idiosyncrasy.", James David Barber; "Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears.", Margaret Thatcher 02 George HW Bush: caretaker personified. // "Oh, the vision thing." // "We're going to keep trying to strengthen the American family. To make them more like the Waltons and less like the Simpsons." 08 Bill Clinton: god what a babe. Shame about Gingrich and Dick Morris really. // "Promising too much can be as cruel as caring too little."; "If ever there comes a time when everyone you vote for wins and they do everything you think they should do, there will still be a gap between what is and what ought to be."; "The problem with ideology is, if you've got an ideology, you've already got your mind made up. You know all the answers and that makes evidence irrelevant and arguments a waste of time. You tend to govern by assertion and attacks." // "I felt like a pickle stepping into history." -1 George W Bush: given this presidency was basically just Dick Cheney, yeah. // "It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency." // TOO EASY (although "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." (2001) is a lesser known gem.) 09 Barack Obama: I'm going to need more than a flawed Obamacare first proposed by the Heritage Foundation before I judge him as anything more than JFK reheated legislatively (but he wins points for Lily Leadbetter), though it's nice that the rhetoric is rolling back the Reagan tide. // "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn't — look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, "well, it must be because I was just so smart." There are a lot of smart people out there. "It must be because I worked harder than everybody else." Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges - if you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet." // "I'm not interested in the suburbs. The suburbs bore me." I'll do the UK tomorrow. |
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12th November 2013, 10:50 PM
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BuzzJack Gold Member
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Government research created the internet? clearly history is not Obama's strong point given it was created by Tim Berners Lee
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12th November 2013, 10:56 PM
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DROTTNING!
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Government research created the internet? clearly history is not Obama's strong point given it was created by Tim Berners Lee The internet as we know it was created by (the funding proposed by) Al Gore. And you're wrong - the World Wide Web was created by Tim Berners-Lee, not the Internet. There's a difference between the two. Not that it's a difference that matters, given Tim Berners-Lee created the World Wide Web at CERN - with international government funding. This post has been edited by Cassandra: 12th November 2013, 10:58 PM |
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12th November 2013, 11:00 PM
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The internet as we know it was created by (the funding proposed by) Al Gore. And you're wrong - the World Wide Web was created by Tim Berners-Lee, not the Internet. There's a difference between the two. Not that it's a difference that matters, given Tim Berners-Lee created the World Wide Web at CERN - with international government funding. Interesting, never knew that at all, thanks for informing |
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12th November 2013, 11:02 PM
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DROTTNING!
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#taxistheft *.*
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13th November 2013, 12:15 AM
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BuzzJack Legend
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The internet as we know it was created by (the funding proposed by) Al Gore. And you're wrong - the World Wide Web was created by Tim Berners-Lee, not the Internet. There's a difference between the two. Not that it's a difference that matters, given Tim Berners-Lee created the World Wide Web at CERN - with international government funding. And, of course, most of the money funding the development of computers in the first place also came from governments. |
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13th November 2013, 11:08 AM
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I can't be a*sed to rate most of them, so many deserve -1, call me jaded and cynical.
A few positive things I have to say: JFK: Man On The Moon, mankind's greatest achievement, people! Stood up to Russian warships approaching Cuba, that really would have been bad news (I realise US troops hover over Russia, but hey). Started the legislation for civil rights that LBJ carried out using JFK as iconic reasoning - you only have to see the furore over Obama's health care to see how hard that was at the time...! Major achievements. Pity about Vietnam.... Clinton, balanced the budget after 12 years of Republican debts. Last time that'll happen. Pity about the investment bankers legislation... Major: the only post-60's PM who I have anything good to say about, though Blair's rights/poverty attempts were at least trying to do the right thing. Pity about the bureaucracy, Iraq, bankers worship, huge debts... |
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13th November 2013, 02:40 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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CAVEAT: My political knowledge of the ones before the 1990s is mostly what I can remember from A-Level History/what a skim read of Wikipedia says. I will try and rate them on what I think they did for the world but I'm probably gonna generalise things something awful.
06 Harry Truman - Not a bad start post war, always seems like he was living in the shadow of FDR though. 07 Dwight Eisenhower - Fairly strong president in my mind, especially for a former general and a Republican, kept the 50s ticking along nicely. 05 John Kennedy - Overinflated heroism and young life cut short leading to overratedness aside, never been a huge fan based on the fact that Bay Of Pigs was a disaster, therefore Cuba was FAR TOO CLOSE and he should have been stronger against Khrushchev (at least he made the right decision in the end but FAR TOO CLOSE). However, I will grant him his charisma. 07 Lyndon Johnson - Probably a great president, just a shame about half of what I know about him has been written in Tirren's odes to him. 06 Richard Nixon - Pretty much can be divided into China = GOOD, Watergate = A huge colossal cock-up. 02 Gerald Ford - NON-ENTITY 06 Jimmy Carter - Perhaps wasn't the strongest president but I agree with a lot of what he was TRYING to do, particularly on the human rights issues 01 Ronald Reagan - God, the 80s really were awful. Only thing that saves him is the motions that started the end of the Cold War (mainly 'Tear down this wall' et al), but the actual action was more Gorbachev's thing so yeah 04 George HW Bush - Only saved a lower score by not being as notable as his son or Reagan 09 Bill Clinton - Almost flawless as far as presidents go. -1 George W Bush - Heehee, he's definitely gonna end up with a low score. Such a contrast between the two presidents who came before and after, Iraq was a complete disaster. 09 Barack Obama - Done pretty much the best he can with a bad economy and has pretty much restored the image of the presidency after the crashing incompetency rife in Bush Jr,'s reign, so I'll grant him that. I know he hasn't done a great amount of note but it really is hard to in this climate and he's weathered enough bad press from his own people that I can definitely get behind him. 08 Clement Attlee - All things considered, a pretty strong prime minister, and well, started off the welfare state so I'm definitely cool with him. 05 Winston Churchill - Were this including the war obviously he'd be higher but his 50s government seems a bit forgettable. 02 Anthony Eden - Pretty useless, really, although ineffectual rather than outright bad 08 Harold Macmillan - Probably the most successful and sensible Conservative PM we've had in this half-century. 04 Alec Douglas-Home - Caretaker. 07 Harold Wilson - Pretty good, pretty good. 07 Ted Heath - Challenges Macmillan for the above title, had some good ideas, shame the 70s wasn't the greatest environment for them. 05 James Callaghan - A little bit inessential really. -1 Margaret Thatcher - ON PRINCIPLE. Seriously, that effects of her time in office can still be felt today is not good. Falklands NO, Miners NO, Privatisation NO. Pretty much goes against everything I stand for. I do try not to make it about ideology but Maggie made it so damn hard. 06 John Major - Harmless enough following the lady of iron. 08 Tony Blair - ASIDE from Iraq, an excellent prime minister all round in retrospect. First one I remember being under, and while I wasn't so much a fan of him at the time I've learned that's true of every prime minister I've been under, and he was damn good at it. I blame Bush far more for Iraq anyway. 05 Gordon Brown - Comical. Shame he was so ineffectual but he wasn't the best and I doubt he could have done much better than Cameron would have. 03 David Cameron - You've no idea how tempting it is to simply use this comment to say 'Fuck off back to Eton with your chums and never darken our door again'. I do find myself rolling my eyes at many things he says. Occasionally he'll do something sort of right and I'll applaud him but it's only ever temporary. So I hope that showed up my lack of political knowledge well enough. |
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13th November 2013, 02:53 PM
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CAVEAT: My political knowledge of the ones before the 1990s is mostly what I can remember from A-Level History/what a skim read of Wikipedia says. I will try and rate them on what I think they did for the world but I'm probably gonna generalise things something awful. 06 Harry Truman - Not a bad start post war, always seems like he was living in the shadow of FDR though. 07 Dwight Eisenhower - Fairly strong president in my mind, especially for a former general and a Republican, kept the 50s ticking along nicely. 05 John Kennedy - Overinflated heroism and young life cut short leading to overratedness aside, never been a huge fan based on the fact that Bay Of Pigs was a disaster, therefore Cuba was FAR TOO CLOSE and he should have been stronger against Khrushchev (at least he made the right decision in the end but FAR TOO CLOSE). However, I will grant him his charisma. 07 Lyndon Johnson - Probably a great president, just a shame about half of what I know about him has been written in Tirren's odes to him. 06 Richard Nixon - Pretty much can be divided into China = GOOD, Watergate = A huge colossal cock-up. 02 Gerald Ford - NON-ENTITY 06 Jimmy Carter - Perhaps wasn't the strongest president but I agree with a lot of what he was TRYING to do, particularly on the human rights issues 01 Ronald Reagan - God, the 80s really were awful. Only thing that saves him is the motions that started the end of the Cold War (mainly 'Tear down this wall' et al), but the actual action was more Gorbachev's thing so yeah 04 George HW Bush - Only saved a lower score by not being as notable as his son or Reagan 09 Bill Clinton - Almost flawless as far as presidents go. -1 George W Bush - Heehee, he's definitely gonna end up with a low score. Such a contrast between the two presidents who came before and after, Iraq was a complete disaster. 09 Barack Obama - Done pretty much the best he can with a bad economy and has pretty much restored the image of the presidency after the crashing incompetency rife in Bush Jr,'s reign, so I'll grant him that. I know he hasn't done a great amount of note but it really is hard to in this climate and he's weathered enough bad press from his own people that I can definitely get behind him. 08 Clement Attlee - All things considered, a pretty strong prime minister, and well, started off the welfare state so I'm definitely cool with him. 05 Winston Churchill - Were this including the war obviously he'd be higher but his 50s government seems a bit forgettable. 02 Anthony Eden - Pretty useless, really, although ineffectual rather than outright bad 08 Harold Macmillan - Probably the most successful and sensible Conservative PM we've had in this half-century. 04 Alec Douglas-Home - Caretaker. 07 Harold Wilson - Pretty good, pretty good. 07 Ted Heath - Challenges Macmillan for the above title, had some good ideas, shame the 70s wasn't the greatest environment for them. 05 James Callaghan - A little bit inessential really. -1 Margaret Thatcher - ON PRINCIPLE. Seriously, that effects of her time in office can still be felt today is not good. Falklands NO, Miners NO, Privatisation NO. Pretty much goes against everything I stand for. I do try not to make it about ideology but Maggie made it so damn hard. 06 John Major - Harmless enough following the lady of iron. 08 Tony Blair - ASIDE from Iraq, an excellent prime minister all round in retrospect. First one I remember being under, and while I wasn't so much a fan of him at the time I've learned that's true of every prime minister I've been under, and he was damn good at it. I blame Bush far more for Iraq anyway. 05 Gordon Brown - Comical. Shame he was so ineffectual but he wasn't the best and I doubt he could have done much better than Cameron would have. 03 David Cameron - You've no idea how tempting it is to simply use this comment to say 'Fuck off back to Eton with your chums and never darken our door again'. I do find myself rolling my eyes at many things he says. Occasionally he'll do something sort of right and I'll applaud him but it's only ever temporary. So I hope that showed up my lack of political knowledge well enough. Re Maggie Falklands - Would you have just sat idly by and watched crazed murdering dictator Galtieri who killed and jailed tens of thousands of his citizens, potentially do the same to the BRITISH Falkland Islanders? Galtieri was an evil man, no way could Brits be left to be killed by him Privatisation - Some have been disasters for consumers I give you that but Blair did nothing to reverse them, Maggie has been out of power 23 years, she cant be held accountable for post 1990 Miners - Wilson closed far more pits and sacked far more miners than Maggie did, this was all about Scargill's ego and his attempts to start a class war This post has been edited by Sandro Raniere: 13th November 2013, 02:54 PM |
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13th November 2013, 03:04 PM
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DROTTNING!
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The problem is that renationalisation is so expensive (unless you want banana republic appropriations) that it's quite difficult to ever reverse unless there's overwhelming public support, a trigger event to provide momentum to do so, and the financial situation to allow it. I don't think that's ever been the case for anything outside of the nationalisation of the banks. It's like smashing a vase - you can repair it, but it's so difficult and costly that you really need all the above in place to do it.
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13th November 2013, 03:32 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Exactly. It's a downward slope and it got off to a hell of a start under Thatcher. The miners are symbolic for the huge toll she took on the trade unions, she went far too far in that case. And as for the Falklands, far too much was made of it in what I see as a cynical move to gain back favour by going to war 'for Britain' (god I hate patriotism when used to help support military action). Never mind that they're just some frozen rocks in the South Atlantic that really aren't worth so much of a fuss by either side (until if and when good amounts of oil are found but still), it was using war as leverage for the voting public.
But then we just had all the Thatcher debates when she died recently so I'm not trying to turn this into one of THOSE threads. |
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13th November 2013, 06:15 PM
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Re Maggie Falklands - Would you have just sat idly by and watched crazed murdering dictator Galtieri who killed and jailed tens of thousands of his citizens, potentially do the same to the BRITISH Falkland Islanders? Galtieri was an evil man, no way could Brits be left to be killed by him Privatisation - Some have been disasters for consumers I give you that but Blair did nothing to reverse them, Maggie has been out of power 23 years, she cant be held accountable for post 1990 Miners - Wilson closed far more pits and sacked far more miners than Maggie did, this was all about Scargill's ego and his attempts to start a class war Sigh....Goddess Maggie again. Thatcher removed the warship that had been patrolling the Falklands to fend off invasion for years. Funny no-one mentions she caused the invasion by doing that just when a nutter was sabre-rattling dangerously and she was the most unpopular PM ever. Catastrophic judgement on her part regardless of what happened subsequently. Funny that..... Yes I was against the Falklands war at the time and since. It would have been cheaper and kinder to have given all the islanders 10million pounds each to relocate to the UK, and no-one would have died. Hong Kong, on the other hand, even though the UK held freehold of part, was handed over with no fuss and no rights for our citizens to move to the UK (which they were till she changed the rules). Practical, yes, but 2-faced. I most certainly can blame Thatcher for any legislation and actions which have had long-term consequences (like the investment banking for a start). No politician is innocent of blame just cos theyve left office! That's a ridiculous concept. Miners: Thatcher didnt just close the most uneconomical (as she'd insisted prior to the strike) she closed them all! Out of spite and to destroy unions. Pity she didnt have the same view about unbridled yuppies holding the entire nation to ransom by virtue of us all being destroyed if we didn't save them. The only difference is scale: the miners strike harmed the country, but it bounced back fairly quickly. The bankers have Scr*wed the country big time and we won't bounce back fairly quickly (notwithstanding current "good news" soundbites 6 years on, the original problems remain unresolved). hey ho... |
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13th November 2013, 09:29 PM
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The owls are not what they seem
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04 Harry Truman (minus points for the Hiroshima bomb, otherwise no opinion)
05 Dwight Eisenhower 07 John Kennedy 08 Lyndon Johnson (Having read all the blurbs on wikipedia, he definitely seemed to have done the best for the state) 05 Richard Nixon (BIG MINUS for Watergate but his role in Futurama was amazing (plus he's one of the few names I know a fair bit about on this list)) 05 Gerald Ford 04 Jimmy Carter (A lot of disasters seemed to happen under his reign. Ooh err.) 05 Ronald Reagan 05 George HW Bush (I assume he wasn't quite as bad as his son) 08 Bill Clinton -1 George W Bush (Just...no) 11 Barack Obama (One of the only political figures I've seen with a likable personality, so BIG plus points for that, I've generally had no problems with him on hsi term so far) 05 Clement Attlee 08 Winston Churchill (I assume he wasn't drastically worse after the war? He'd be an easy 11 otherwise) 05 Anthony Eden 07 Harold Macmillan 05 Alec Douglas-Home 05 Harold Wilson 03 Ted Heath 05 James Callaghan 00 Margaret Thatcher (I don't feel strongly enough about her to give her an extreme score, but lets just say I'm more aware of her bad side) 03 John Major 07 Tony Blair (Iraq aside, he wasn't all that bad) -1 Gordon Brown (Ugh, I just REALLY didn't like him, the one thing that put me off supporting Labour) 03 David Cameron (Not TERRIBLE, but far from great either, so neutral) I do apologise for my lack of any form of political knowledge This post has been edited by Chez Wombat: 13th November 2013, 09:30 PM |
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13th November 2013, 09:40 PM
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DROTTNING!
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What was so dislikable about Gordon CW?
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13th November 2013, 09:45 PM
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BuzzJack Gold Member
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11 Clement Attlee (obviously)
07 Winston Churchill 04 Anthony Eden 06 Harold Macmillan ?? Alec Douglas-Home (I'll probably lose some history/politics-geek points here but I honestly don't know of a single thing he did) 07 Harold Wilson 05 Ted Heath 05 James Callaghan -1 Margaret Thatcher (Alright really.) 03 John Major (I guess in hindsight, it should be considered a good thing that he atleast halted the "Thatcher agenda" from going even further) 04 Tony Blair (obviously his political skills meant he enabled a Labour government to do some good things, but in recent years he seems to have disowned virtually every good thing they did. In the long term, he was very damaging to the Labour party, and is still damaging it with his terrible "advice" to them earlier this year, which I can only assume he made because he desperately wants to feel like he has some kind of lasting legacy. Let's not get started on foreign policy.) 07 Gordon Brown (probably responsible for most of the good things the Labour government did, although the fact he was too cowardly to promote them and speak openly about them meant it was much easier for the Tories to undo them and just denounce it all as "wasteful spending". I do think history will judge him more kindly than he currently is though.) 02 David Cameron (couple more than it would be for gay marriage) |
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13th November 2013, 09:48 PM
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DROTTNING!
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?? Alec Douglas-Home (I'll probably lose some history/politics-geek points here but I honestly don't know of a single thing he did) S'alright, nobody does. He was only in for a year. The only legislation he brought in of any real significance was changing it so suppliers weren't allowed to dictate to retailers what price their products were sold at anymore. |
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13th November 2013, 09:52 PM
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BuzzJack Gold Member
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S'alright, nobody does. He was only in for a year. The only legislation he brought in of any real significance was changing it so suppliers weren't allowed to dictate to retailers what price their products were sold at anymore. I was expecting my comments on Blair to atleast draw a reaction from you EDIT: Never mind This post has been edited by Danny: 13th November 2013, 09:53 PM |
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13th November 2013, 09:52 PM
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DROTTNING!
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I'm surprised you find that Tony piece so objectionable Danny - it's not all that different to the kind of thing he'd have said as Leader. It's certainly nowhere near as objectionable as his Kazakh antics (which were just total hypocrisy when put against his Chicago speech principles. I liked Nick Cohen's piece on it.) and stuff like regretting banning fox hunting/bringing in FoI.
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