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 5th June 2015, 02:39 PM
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 Paul Hyett
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This week, Idina Menzel's version of 'Let It Go' reached 1.001m, beating Adele & Jason Mraz to the achievement.
Cue the arguments about it not *really* having done so because of streaming... 
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5th June 2015, 02:49 PM
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Do you know how many sales it's on not including streaming?
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5th June 2015, 02:50 PM
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do you know or are able to estimate how much it's sold without streaming? I'm sure it's not far off getting there on pure sales anyway though, either way it's an amazing achievement for a song that never went top 10
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5th June 2015, 02:57 PM
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Paul Hyett
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I don't know the split, but when streams were first added, ~20% of it's then 540k total were streams. I'd guess that it would be more like 40-50% now.
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5th June 2015, 03:00 PM
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Not really because of streaming.
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5th June 2015, 03:10 PM
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Paul Hyett
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Should we therefore exclude post-2006 million-sellers that didn't sell 1m physical copies...
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5th June 2015, 03:11 PM
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The OCC still aren't including streams in overall sales as far as I'm aware so I think even 'technically' this doesn't count yet.
In any case, 'Let It Go' does clearly have an unfair advantage over the other contenders so moaning about streaming in this scenario is pretty justified. It'd be a fairer comparison if archive streaming data was included for Adele and Jason (I wonder if either or both could possibly be over the mark already if so). |
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5th June 2015, 03:11 PM
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It's a cruel summer.
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Yay absolutley beautiful and amazing track so fitting it holds this record
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5th June 2015, 03:11 PM
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I think only sales on vinyl should count.
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5th June 2015, 03:20 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(¡braydhen! @ Jun 5 2015, 04:11 PM)  The OCC still aren't including streams in overall sales as far as I'm aware so I think even 'technically' this doesn't count yet. They are included in overall sales for singles, but not for albums. |
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5th June 2015, 05:27 PM
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Idina more relevant than Adele
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5th June 2015, 06:25 PM
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vidcapper advocates streaming for figures? Things HAVE changed
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5th June 2015, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(Cody Slayberry @ Jun 5 2015, 06:27 PM) Idina more relevant than Adele I don't really know if you're being serious, but it doesn't. |
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5th June 2015, 06:54 PM
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The OCC do include streams in their overall sales, YTD's, awards & certifications~
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5th June 2015, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(Ethan @ Jun 5 2015, 07:54 PM) The OCC do include streams in their overall sales, YTD's, awards & certifications~ They do but their present policy is not to publicly declare a song to be a "million-seller" until it's literally sold a million copies. |
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6th June 2015, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(The Hit Parade @ Jun 5 2015, 11:44 PM) They do but their present policy is not to publicly declare a song to be a "million-seller" until it's literally sold a million copies. This is what I was referring to. As of now a song passing one million 'units' is pretty much meaningless because you'd need extremely specialist information to even know about it. Also certifications are nothing to do with the OCC. |
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6th June 2015, 05:26 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(The Hit Parade @ Jun 5 2015, 11:44 PM) They do but their present policy is not to publicly declare a song to be a "million-seller" until it's literally sold a million copies. But as streaming becomes ever more dominant, that position will become ever harder to justify, as fewer & fewer songs pass 1m on sales alone. QUOTE(¡braydhen! @ Jun 6 2015, 01:14 AM) This is what I was referring to. As of now a song passing one million 'units' is pretty much meaningless because you'd need extremely specialist information to even know about it. Also certifications are nothing to do with the OCC. Not quite, since the BPI use the OCC's figures to determine who has earned them. |
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6th June 2015, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 6 2015, 06:26 AM) But as streaming becomes ever more dominant, that position will become ever harder to justify, as fewer & fewer songs pass 1m on sales alone. In 5 years' time streaming may become so dominant that the very idea of converting streaming points into a 'sale' will seem hopelessly archaic. The year's most popular tracks will be measured in the tens or even hundreds of millions of streams. What genuine sales that do occur we will think of as being converted into streaming points at the rate of 100 points per sale, or whatever ratio exists at that time. The idea of a 'million seller' will become redundant. It is only at the moment as we go through the transition period when both concepts are running in parallel that everything is a bit messy. This post has been edited by Col1967: 6th June 2015, 07:46 AM |
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6th June 2015, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(Col1967 @ Jun 6 2015, 08:45 AM) The idea of a 'million seller' will become redundant. Does this strike fear into anyone else's heart? |
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6th June 2015, 09:02 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(AntoineTTe @ Jun 6 2015, 09:44 AM) Does this strike fear into anyone else's heart? Not mine, given how many changes I've seen over the years... 
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