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Suedehead2 View member profile	20th November 2015, 05:36 PM Post #1
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,670 User: 3,272	This week's ramblings are available from the front page and the latest news box. There may be the odd mention of Justin Bieber.


Brer View member profile	20th November 2015, 07:59 PM Post #2
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,071 User: 8,300	Lady Gaga had 4 songs in the top 20 one week in 2011 ('The Edge Of Glory' #6, 'Judas' #8, 'Hair' #13 and 'Born This Way' #16).


Suedehead2 View member profile	20th November 2015, 08:04 PM Post #3
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,670 User: 3,272	QUOTE(Bré @ Nov 20 2015, 07:59 PM) Lady Gaga had 4 songs in the top 20 one week in 2011 ('The Edge Of Glory' #6, 'Judas' #8, 'Hair' #13 and 'Born This Way' #16). Wasn't she spending a year dead for tax reasons?


ML Hammer95 View member profile	20th November 2015, 08:11 PM Post #4
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 4 October 2014 Posts: 5,610 User: 21,265	You mentioned Justin Bieber's transformation into credibility. Really reminds me of the one Justin Timberlake went through in 2002/2003 with his album 'Justified'. Largely through the help of accessible singles produced by 'cool' producers like The Neptunes and Timbaland just like Bieber has through Skrillex and Diplo. Each had a single producedced before their debut album which was a sign of things to come - Girlfriend for Timberlake and Where Are U Now for Bieber. Similarites are really uncanny.


zeus555 View member profile	21st November 2015, 02:10 PM Post #5
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 21 August 2006 Posts: 1,496 User: 1,153	NOTE -- ADELE -- It looks like - next Friday - she will either equal or beat Justin Bieber's Chart Record of 8 Top 40 Hits by a living Artist. We will see. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ A)... As you can see Justin Bieber is at these Positions in the latest UK Singles Chart:, Top 5//Top 10 -- 1 - 3 - 5 With another Hit at No.15 -- So 4 Hits in the Top 20. 4 other Hits in the Top 40 -- 32 - 33 - 35 - 38 -- So 8 Top 40 Hits. 7 other Hits in the Top 75 -- 41 - 42 - 44 - 52 - 61 - 63 - 74 -- So 15 Top 75 Hits 3 Other Hits in the Top 100 -- 77 - 88 - 94 -- So 18 Top 100 Hits @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ B)... It I the 1st time that a living Act has had 4 Hits in the Top 20 at the same time since:, LADY GAGA IN 2011 Week Ending 28th May 2011 06. THE EDGE OF GLORY 08. JUDAS 13. HAIR 16. BORN THIS WAY @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ C)... The 1st time that a living Male Act has managed 4 Top 20 Hits in the same Chart since:, ELVIS PRESLEY IN 1957 Week Ending 23rd November 1957 No.2 - PARTY No.11 - SANTA BRING MY BABY BACK TO ME No.15 - LAWDY MISS CLAWDY No.17 - TRYING TO GET TO YOU Elvis had 4 Top 20 Hits, in the same Chart, for 6 Weeks in October & November 1957. With 2 further October 1957 Charts where he had 5 Hits in the Top 20. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ D)... The first time that an Act has had 3 Hits in the same Top 10 since:, RIHANNA IN 2011 Week Ending 15th January 2011 No.1 - WHAT’S MY NAME? - RIHANNA FEAT. DRAKE No.9 - ONLY GIRL (IN THE WORLD) No.10 - WHO’S THAT CHICK? - DAVID GUETTA FEAT. RIHANNA She also had 3 Top 10 Hits in 2 December 2010 Charts. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ E)... The first time that an Act has had 3 Hits in the same Top 5 since:, JOHN LENNON IN 1981 (But he had died) Week Ending 17th January 1981 (NOTE - He also had 3 Top 5 Hits in the previous Chart - W/E 10th January 1981) No.1 - IMAGINE No.3 - HAPPY XMAS (WAR IS OVER) No.5 - (JUST LIKE) STARTING OVER He had 3 Top 10 Hits in 5 Charts between December 1980 & January 1981. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ F)... The first time that a living Act has had 3 Top 5 Hits at the same time since:, FRANKIE LAINE IN 1953 Week Ending 7th November 1953 No.2 - ANSWER ME No.3 - HEY JOE No.5 - I BELIEVE No.7 - WHERE THE WIND BLOWS He had 3 Top 10 Hits, at the same time, in 5 Charts that Year, & 4 Top 10 Hits in 3 other Charts. With 3 Top 5 Hits in 4 of those 8 Charts. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ G)... Justin Bieber is the only living Act to have as many as 8 Top 40 Hits in the same Chart. ELVIS PRESLEY IN 1957 He had 7 Top 30 Hits in the Charts of W/E 2nd November & 9th November 1957. The Chart was only a Top 30 at that time. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ H)... Justin's current 18 Top 100 Hits & 15 Top 75 Hits are both UK All Time Chart Records - for a living Act. Michael Jackson beat it in 2009, but he had died. The previous Record Holders were The Jam in 1983. They had 16 Top 100 Hits - 13 of them Top 75. THE JAM IN 1983 Week Ending 5th February 1983 They were at -- 21-30-41-42-43-47-53-54-57-59-60-62-73-82-83-87 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ This post has been edited by zeus555: 23rd November 2015, 04:54 PM


Suedehead2 View member profile	21st November 2015, 02:43 PM Post #6
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,670 User: 3,272	Thanks for that Colin. Even allowing for the fact that downloads make it easier to have multiple chart entries, it is a remarkable achievement for Bieber. Who'd have thought it when his "ten singles in ten weeks" performed so poorly?


Dobbo View member profile	21st November 2015, 02:45 PM Post #7
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 4 November 2013 Posts: 30,531 User: 20,053	Thanks for those stats! I can't believe The Jam had THAT many songs simultaneously top 100 though.


Suedehead2 View member profile	21st November 2015, 02:57 PM Post #8
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,670 User: 3,272	QUOTE(Dobbo @ Nov 21 2015, 02:45 PM) Thanks for those stats! I can't believe The Jam had THAT many songs simultaneously top 100 though. There was a time when they were absolutely massive. They made all their previous singles available again (don't forget singles were deleted once they had stopped selling), so people filled the gaps in their collection. I remember it well.


Popchartfreak View member profile	21st November 2015, 03:30 PM Post #9
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,821 User: 17,376	I seem to be the perennial sourface with chart stats, but in the olden days they were achieved with actual singles, as opposed to album tracks charting individually, so I just can't get worked up about Bieber and Adele multiple charting (this is going to become more and more the norm with big names in the decades to come). As I mention elsewhere, had there been streaming and downloads in the 60's, The Beatles would have had the entire top 12 or 14 every year with each new album, their EPs sold enough to make the singles charts if they had not been disqualified (and therefore they too would have charted as individual tracks) and their B sides would have done the same as they were as good as the A sides (which is what happened in the USA), and all of them would have hung around as long as the albums remained popular (which was invariably for a year or two). For 7 years they would have completely dominated the singles charts and pushed out whole legions of songs from charting. Had they been as cheap as they are today, one might even speculate that Beatles sales would have been WAY higher as records were very expensive relative to income. So, yeah, of note, but...


Brer View member profile	21st November 2015, 03:45 PM Post #10
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,071 User: 8,300	QUOTE(zeus555 @ Nov 21 2015, 02:10 PM) NOTE -- ADELE -- It looks like - next Friday - she will either equal or beat Justin Bieber's Chart Record of 8 Top 40 Hits by a living Artist. We will see. This is highly unlikely, she'll probably only have 2 songs in the top 40 this week (maybe 3 at a very big push). Were the album available to stream she could well have matched Bieber but as it isn't, she only has the iTunes cherrypicks to go off for all of her album tracks, and 'When We Were Young' is the only one of those that will definitely shift enough to go top 40. 'Million Years Ago' could make the sales top 40 but probably not the overall one. The rest will likely not even be top 40 on sales. (Note how most of Bieber's new entries last week were not top 40 on sales, and even 'I'll Show You' which was top 20 only scraped in on sales).


zeus555 View member profile	21st November 2015, 04:32 PM Post #11
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 21 August 2006 Posts: 1,496 User: 1,153	Popchartfreak - I know that it is far easier for a big Act to sell a lot of 'Singles' now, than in the past. Unfortunately, people who write Chart Trivia can only comment on how the Charts are each Week. The fact that some Chart Feats are easier for today's big Acts, is not really an issue. I just write about what goes on in the Charts - as does Simon, (Suedehead), & Alan Jones etc. As you say, there is 24/7, 365 Days a Year availability of Downloads. In the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's etc. an Act could only Chart if a Single was still in the Shops. Now a 'Single' can Chart forever - as long as people want to buy it. Streaming is also helping today's big Acts stay in the Singles Charts for longer. That's why we see Adele, Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith etc. stay in the 'Singles' Chart for longer than Acts from previous Decades As a result, if we give 75 Points for No.1 down to 1 Point for No.75, to every Hit from the Download Era, we are already seeing more & more of the UK's All Time Singles - based on Points - taking over the All Time Top 100. The UK's Top 30 All Time Singles (Points Based) is already filling up with Hits from the past few Years. Ed Sheeran's Thinking Out Loud is the 2nd All Time UK Single, based on Points - beaten only by My Way by Frank Sinatra, that scored so many due to Charting for 124 Weeks. Here are recent Hits in the UK's All Time Top 30 - based on Points:, No.2 - Thinking Out Loud - Ed Sheeran No.3 - Sex On Fire - Kings Of Leon No.4 - All Of Me - John Legend No.6 - Happy - Pharrell Williams No.9 - Rather Be - Clean Bandit Feat. Jess Glynne No.11 - Chasing Cars - Snow Patrol No.12 - I Gotta Feeling - Black Eyed Peas No.14 - Take Me To Church - Hozier No.15 - Stay With Me - Sam Smith No.17 - Someone Like You - Adele No.18 - Use Somebody - Kings Of Leon No.19 - Let It Go - Idrina Menzel No.21 - Uptown Funk - Mark Ronson Feat. Bruno Mars No.22 - Budapest - George Ezra No.23 - Counting Stars - OneRepublic No.27 - Chandelier - Sia No.28 - Poker Face - Lady GaGa No.29 - Moves Like Jagger - Maroon 5 Feat. Christina Aguilera No.30 - Somebody That I Used To Know - Gotye Feat. Kimbra That's 19 of the All Time Top 30 taken up by Singles from the past 9 Years or so - with the bulk from the past 3 or 4 Years. This post has been edited by zeus555: 21st November 2015, 04:40 PM


Suedehead2 View member profile	21st November 2015, 04:56 PM Post #12
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,670 User: 3,272	Indeed, we have to accept the chart rules as they are, whether we like them or not. As I have mentioned in past commentaries, the top ten longest consecutive runs in the top forty contains one song from 1961 (Stranger On The Shore) and nine from 2012-2014. The two songs that were in second place a few years ago (FGTH's Relax and I Love You Because by Jim Reeves) are now joint eleventh.


Bjork View member profile	21st November 2015, 05:10 PM Post #13
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 November 2015 Posts: 33,244 User: 22,665	so how many top 75/100 did Michael Jackson manage?


zeus555 View member profile	21st November 2015, 07:43 PM Post #14
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 21 August 2006 Posts: 1,496 User: 1,153	@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ MICHAEL JACKSON IN 2009 Week Ending 11th July 2009 As a Solo Act he was on 22 Top 75 Hits & 32 Top 100 Hits (13 in the Top 40) 2-10-12-13-19-25-26-32-33-34-35-38-40-46-54-57-60-63-66-70-73-74-78-81-83-86-88-90-91-92-94-98 He was also at No.43, No.50, No.55, No.59 & No.65 with The Jackson 5//The Jacksons So he was on 27 Top 75 Hits & 37 Top 100 Hits @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Week Ending 18th July 2009 As a Solo Act he was on 18 Top 75 Hits & 23 Top 100 Hits (10 in the Top 40) 3-20-21-25-28-29-31-32-39-40-42-44-45-48-51-62-69-74-80-87-89-91-100 He was also at No.36, No.49, No.57, No.59, No.79, & No.84 with The Jackson 5//The Jacksons & No.77 - with U.S.A. For Africa with We Are The World. So he was on 22 Top 75 Hits & 30 Top 100 Hits (With 11 in the Top 40) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Week Ending 4th July 2009 As a Solo Act he was on 16 Top 75 Hits & 23 Top 100 Hits. (6 in the Top 40) 11-23-25-28-30-38-44-45-47-48-50-57-58-67-72-73-78-85-92-95-96-97-99 He was also at No.55, No.65, No.71, No.75, & No.86 with The Jackson 5//The Jacksons. So he was on 20 Top 75 Hits & 28 Top 100 Hits. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Week Ending 25th July 2009 As a Solo Act he was on 13 Top 75 Hits & 14 Top 100 Hits. (5 in the Top 40) 8-28-33-35-39-42-45-49-53-55-59-60-68-78 He was also at No.57, No.62, No.82, & No.98 with The Jackson 5//The Jacksons. So he was on 15 Top 75 Hits & 18 Top 100 Hits. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ At UKMIX someone has pointed out that The Beatles had 17 Top 75 Hits, (23 Top 100), in the BMRB, ('Official'), Chart of W/E 27th March 1976. However, the Chart was only published as a Top 50 at that time, so what they achieved in an unpublished Top 75, (or Top 100), is not part of UK Chart History. THE BEATLES IN 1976 Week Ending 27th March 1976 10... Yesterday 45... Hey Jude 46... Paperback Writer 53... Strawberry Fields Forever 55... Get Back 59... She Loves You 61... Help! 62... Love Me Do 63... Yellow Submarine 64... Let It Be 66... A Hard Day's Night 68... Can't Buy Me Love 69... I Want To Hold Your Hand 71... All You Need Is Love 72... From Me To You 74... Hello Goodbye 75... Please Please Me @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ This post has been edited by zeus555: 21st November 2015, 10:59 PM


Brer View member profile	21st November 2015, 10:35 PM Post #15
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,071 User: 8,300	On W/E 18 Jul he was also at #77 as part of USA For Africa 'We Are The World'.