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 19th February 2016, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(troylovesmusic @ Feb 19 2016, 10:11 PM)  I know you don't like her but trying to make her out like she's some flop who hasn't done well when she really isn't is laughable she's had a decent enough career. 1) my surprise at her having dedicated fans is nothing to do with whether she's percieved as a flop and more to do with her being so horrific that it is difficult for me to understand why. 2) she's had one decent selling album. The other 2 were flops whether you choose to admit it or not. |
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23rd February 2016, 12:12 AM
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Oops. I've just seen the Brits ad on ITV and Rihanna's been removed from the performers. She was in the ad only yesterday
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23rd February 2016, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(jase. @ Feb 23 2016, 12:12 AM) Oops. I've just seen the Brits ad on ITV and Rihanna's been removed from the performers. She was in the ad only yesterday This seems to suggest Rihanna and Drake will be performing Work: http://www.digitalspy.com/music/brit-award...k-at-the-brits/ Is there any other reason for her to be in London? It seems a bit odd for her to come here and then not perform? |
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24th February 2016, 12:48 PM
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Can't take the BRITs seriously this year after the complete snub of our black talent. Genre and racial representation are a big issue, its a joke that none of Skepta, Stormzy, Krept & Konan etc. have been nominated.
I realise it's all down to sales and views but the BRITs hardly represent our culture in 2016. |
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24th February 2016, 12:58 PM
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Why would they get nominated? Bar one hit each, what else have they achieved in the last year? I can't help but feel this whole charade against the Brits for not including Grime artists is just a poor attempt at trying to recreate the whole Oscars so black drama... None of the black British artists have done anything of note this year and not really "stood out", critically or commercially.
EDIT: And only 2 awards are based on either sales or views (British Single/Best Video). |
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24th February 2016, 01:07 PM
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Not critically acclaimed?? The Guardian chose 'Shutdown' as their song of the year. Krept & Konan got a No. 2 album and a hugely popular Top 10 single - surely that could translate to a Best Newcomer nomination? As for Stormzy, getting a grime freestyle into the Christmas Top 10 is a huge achievement.
Can't shake the feeling the nominations are chosen by suits in the boardroom rather than reflecting the people. Yes, the charts are there for that but not everybody has an iTunes or Spotify account! http://m.noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/the-br...prove-diversity |
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24th February 2016, 01:24 PM
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Shutdown didn't sell enough, and best single is based entirely on that. None of these artists have made much of a mark other than one hit each at most. Maybe in the future, but there really wasn't enough to warrant nominations this time around, unfortunately. If Grime grows more though, who knows what could happen next year.
The real issue is BritsSoMale. A female group has never been respected by Brits enough to win 'Best British Group' in the history of the Brit awards and Little Mix excelled in every area this era, yet still weren't recognised, which is very snobby. It's a shame that they only got nominated for the default awards. |
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24th February 2016, 01:37 PM
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I actually agree that the BRITs need to be more diverse and it will be a start for them to not just look at the big pop names in the charts. It's not like the Oscars where actors were snubbed because they were just not good enough, it's a case of certain music not being the most commercial sounding which leads to them not being as successful chart-wise and therefore not nominated, opposed to them not being good enough. For instance, if a hip-hop artist wanted to be nominated, they would have to have more pop hooks and probably a featured female artist for their song to be big, which isn't necessarily the same as being better.
It would also help if the singles/video categories were not based on sales/views for the point I've already raised: it means only the big acts get a look in and it doesn't really reflect what makes a good song or video. I mean, who watches the 'Flashlight' video and think it's one of the best videos of the year? The BRITs should bring back the Best *insert genre* Act categories so that the less commercial but still critically acclaimed acts can get a look in. I usually dislike this sort of positive discrimination but, like I say, it's because acts are getting ignored because they're not commercial enough to get huge sales rather than they're just not good enough. |
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24th February 2016, 01:58 PM
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I agree with all your points. Especially about the genre awards thing. Why did they scrap them in the first place?
 I also don't think the "they need to stop looking at the big pop names" is a valid argument when they have the likes of Catfish & The Bottlemen, Wolf Alice, Aphex Twin, Laura Marling, Father John Misty etc.. all nominated for some of the main awards. None of which are particularly big pop names. In fact K&K and Stormzy are more popular, imo. I just don't see the work they've done as being anything ground breaking or anything particularly worthy of being nominated (I say this as a HUGE fan of 'Freak Of the Week', one of my favourites of last year!) I believe K&K will get a nomination or two one year. But I guess that falls into your point of them being snubbed due to music being more subjective. But the Brits have been favourable of grime/hip hop artists in the past. Dizzee Rascal being the main name. Getting nominations even before his "real" commercial success and boost in 2008, wasn't he? |
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24th February 2016, 02:08 PM
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There does need to be a return of the genre-specific awards but I guess they just don't have time to fit them in. It's hard for it to cater for all genres currently due there not being much space available. Plus, even with the small amount of nominations available, there will be overlaps between these (e.g. Jess Glynne nominated for Female and Breakthrough).
Grime has had a massive rise in popularity and it is kind of becoming the new House (with a lot of people liking it purely because it is cool to do so) but I don't think there's a specific problem yet due to the limited nominations model. I think one of the problems with grime being recognised more widely is that it is VERY marmite, you either love it or absolutely hate it. |
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24th February 2016, 02:13 PM
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I don't think many of the nominated artists have made groundbreaking music this year, that's a subjective opinion. Although I agree Skepta, Stormzy & Krept & Konan didn't make especially groundbreaking material either, it was more the scale of critical and commercial success. Shutdown even impacted America with a co-sign from Drake and Kanye! This without 'selling out' and making dance-pop songs like Dizzee Rascal from 2008 onwards.
I agree they need more genre specific awards. Totally agree that need to represent artists whose music is limited commercially despite it's quality (not just Grime). |
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24th February 2016, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(Jonjo @ Feb 24 2016, 01:58 PM) I agree with all your points. Especially about the genre awards thing. Why did they scrap them in the first place? I also don't think the "they need to stop looking at the big pop names" is a valid argument when they have the likes of Catfish & The Bottlemen, Wolf Alice, Aphex Twin, Laura Marling, Father John Misty etc.. all nominated for some of the main awards. None of which are particularly big pop names. In fact K&K and Stormzy are more popular, imo. I just don't see the work they've done as being anything ground breaking or anything particularly worthy of being nominated (I say this as a HUGE fan of 'Freak Of the Week', one of my favourites of last year!) I believe K&K will get a nomination or two one year. But I guess that falls into your point of them being snubbed due to music being more subjective. But the Brits have been favourable of grime/hip hop artists in the past. Dizzee Rascal being the main name. Getting nominations even before his "real" commercial success and boost in 2008, wasn't he? Well that's true, they're not all big pop names and the likes of Catfish and Wolf Alice are examples of good, deserving nominations, regardless of what one's opinion of them may be. My point was more to do with the obvious choices getting picked over acts that have grown and proven themselves - an example being One Direction getting nominated yet again despite their album, I don't think, getting particularly good critical acclaim in comparison to their previous albums which, amongst other things, suggests they've not really developed as an act. Whereas you take Little Mix who were snubbed yet have proven themselves more than just a flash in the pan kinda girl band and received a huge reception for 'Black Magic' and their album. Okay, Little Mix are still "a big pop name" but, like I say, the BRITs should show how music tastes and the industry evolves and how artists grow. That's partly my reasoning for why grime and hip-hop should have been represented better as it's been a notably good year for it with Stormzy, Krept & Kronan, Skepta, Fetty Wap etc. all doing well. True, the BRITs may have represented different genres well in the past, but the nomination choices seem to be a lot more...conservative(?) in recent years. |
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24th February 2016, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Feb 24 2016, 02:13 PM) This without 'selling out' and making dance-pop songs like Dizzee Rascal from 2008 onwards. Precisely, and that's what I mean about how hip-hop acts would have to resort to "selling out" to become particularly big and end up getting nominated, when in fact more commercial does not necessarily mean better quality, which is where the lack of diversity debate in regards to the BRITs is much different to that of the Oscars. |
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24th February 2016, 04:32 PM
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I feel like, beyond a couple of songs, grime is still quite a niche genre that just has a small number of very vocal fans. I don't really think someone like Stormzy is particularly deserving of a nomination for British Male for example over anyone else on the list, especially as he's not even released an album. Shut Up and Freak of the Week are the only two to cross over, the former was through a campaign which I must admit, was very well executed, and the latter was DJ Mustard produced and with a Jeremih feature. I don't think it's anything to do with commercial artists etc. I think someone like Fetty Wap should perhaps have been up for International Male based on his success last year but beyond that, I don't see any notable snubs.
Little Mix are most definitely a big snub from British Group I think, they've had their biggest album so far and it's a shame it's not been reflected in the noms. 1D's album was actually more critically acclaimed than their previous albums that I noticed, it got some very good reviews, so it's a fair nomination especially this year I think (LM's album has outsold it but Made In the A.M. is not miles behind). The noms this year seem pretty fair to me beyond maybe 3 or so fairly big names missing. |
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24th February 2016, 05:06 PM
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I was very surprised to see Little Mix snubbed for Best Group - I'm not a fan but they deserve it based on their success in the past year.
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24th February 2016, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(Froot. @ Feb 24 2016, 02:08 PM) There does need to be a return of the genre-specific awards but I guess they just don't have time to fit them in. It's hard for it to cater for all genres currently due there not being much space available. Plus, even with the small amount of nominations available, there will be overlaps between these (e.g. Jess Glynne nominated for Female and Breakthrough). Grime has had a massive rise in popularity and it is kind of becoming the new House (with a lot of people liking it purely because it is cool to do so) but I don't think there's a specific problem yet due to the limited nominations model. I think one of the problems with grime being recognised more widely is that it is VERY marmite, you either love it or absolutely hate it. If they put the show back on the BBC, they would instantly get an extra half-hour or so. |
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24th February 2016, 06:39 PM
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I'm pretty sure a lot of the categories in the BRITS have the criteria of a full length album being released within the calendar year to be up for a nomination anyway, did any of these grime acts mentioned release an album at all in the last year? If they did , they'd still have quite a lot of competition, mainly as has been mentioned that the genre just isn't as commercial or widespread yet, even if it's made strides this year. I hate to talk like Michael Caine for the Oscars, but I do believe if the genre continues to grow and has a much more notable influence on the charts, then they will/or should start to recognise grime more, but as it stands I don't really think that any of the acts mentioned did quite enough to warrant a place over who has already been nominated (Amy Winehouse aside).
Also, Kendrick Lamar's up for International Male, and his genre is of a similar sound, so they don't ignore all black music. |
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24th February 2016, 07:29 PM
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When does it start?
And do people generally talk about it regularly on here at the level of activity that there would be for a chart show or Eurovision? |
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24th February 2016, 07:32 PM
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The show starts at 8pm
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24th February 2016, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(mdh @ Feb 24 2016, 07:29 PM) When does it start? And do people generally talk about it regularly on here at the level of activity that there would be for a chart show or Eurovision? Last year we got 30 pages!  http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=175223 |
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