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 6th June 2016, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 6 2016, 07:16 PM)  I don't think that was Arya. I think that was Jaqen. He promised her 3 lives and she named him as the 3rd. He is fulfilling his contract with her and also testing the waif (who fails) Arya is also left handed and 'she' threw the coin bags with her right hand. Ah yes, I did see that being thrown around. It does make quite a lot of sense but I'm still going to worry. My main reason to buy into that theory is that she was being way too careless for Arya, like she wanted to be caught, I mean, stopping to admire the view and openly booking passage with the first Westerosi she sees? Oh and of course that it'd be quite pointless if she did die now. |
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7th June 2016, 10:30 AM
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I like the new theory that the Waif and Arya are the same person.
She's basically battling herself, the Faceless Men cold ruthless Arya (the Waif) vs family driven Arya Stark (Arya). It would make sense to me: House of Black (Waif) and White (Arya). |
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8th June 2016, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 7 2016, 11:30 AM) I like the new theory that the Waif and Arya are the same person. She's basically battling herself, the Faceless Men cold ruthless Arya (the Waif) vs family driven Arya Stark (Arya). It would make sense to me: House of Black (Waif) and White (Arya). Whilst that is EXACTLY the subtext of her entire arc for the past 2 seasons, surely to use that as a literal plot device is far too obvious and rather cheap. I've always figured Thrones to be smarter than that. Mind you there was the whole Dorne thing... |
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10th June 2016, 11:57 AM
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A reddit user who shall remain nameless and who has a reputation for remarkably accurate predictions has stated that 10 significant named characters would die this season. 3 of which are gone - Ser Alliser Thorne, Roose Bolton and Olly.
This leaves 7 to die n what looks to be a major bloodbath. Don't read the following unless you really want to know as it could be a massive spoiler. They are said to be Rickon Stark, Smalljon Umber, Tommen Baratheon, Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, Mace Tyrell and Wun Wun. |
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10th June 2016, 12:07 PM
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I wonder what's going on in Dorne? We haven't heard from them in a while.
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10th June 2016, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(♡ Heezus Froot ♡ @ Jun 10 2016, 01:07 PM) I wonder what's going on in Dorne? We haven't heard from them in a while. Good point. There's been nothing since the Sand Snakes killed off Doran and Trystane. Perhaps they will ally themselves with Khaleesi in order to get revenge against the Lannisters? |
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10th June 2016, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 10 2016, 12:57 PM) A reddit user who shall remain nameless and who has a reputation for remarkably accurate predictions has stated that 10 significant named characters would die this season. 3 of which are gone - Ser Alliser Thorne, Roose Bolton and Olly. This leaves 7 to die n what looks to be a major bloodbath. Don't read the following unless you really want to know as it could be a massive spoiler. They are said to be Rickon Stark, Smalljon Umber, Tommen Baratheon, Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, Mace Tyrell and Wun Wun. Loras Tyrell and Margaery Tyrell?! Noooo. Rickon is very believable given they're current situation, it's going to be awful to watch, either way. |
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10th June 2016, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(burbe @ Jun 10 2016, 01:52 PM) Good point. There's been nothing since the Sand Snakes killed off Doran and Trystane. Perhaps they will ally themselves with Khaleesi in order to get revenge against the Lannisters? Book 4 spoilers: That is indeed what the culmination of the Dorne storyline was in the books (I haven't read ADWD quite yet but there are no Arianne chapters there so I think I'm okay with saying this), Doran had been planning to get vengeance by allying with Daenerys for a while (he's a long game player, that was his trait and it's why I'm really disappointed they killed him off) by sending his oldest son Quentyn over to Meereen, with one of my favourite chapter endings in A Feast For Crows. Now that's probably going to play out fairly differently to in the books as Doran isn't alive here and main POV characters Arianne and Quentyn don't exist (with Arianne's storyline kind of being given to Ellaria, Oberyn's widow) but I wouldn't be surprised if that's where they get brought back in. No real need to do anything with them for the moment. |
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10th June 2016, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(burbe @ Jun 10 2016, 01:52 PM) Good point. There's been nothing since the Sand Snakes killed off Doran and Trystane. Perhaps they will ally themselves with Khaleesi in order to get revenge against the Lannisters? Rumour has it they return in the finale. Personally, I'd like to forget the whole sorry episode |
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12th June 2016, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 10 2016, 12:57 PM) A reddit user who shall remain nameless and who has a reputation for remarkably accurate predictions has stated that 10 significant named characters would die this season. 3 of which are gone - Ser Alliser Thorne, Roose Bolton and Olly. This leaves 7 to die n what looks to be a major bloodbath. Don't read the following unless you really want to know as it could be a massive spoiler. They are said to be Rickon Stark, Smalljon Umber, Tommen Baratheon, Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, Mace Tyrell and Wun Wun. That episode 9 looking juicy AF! **potential spoilers, predictions and theories below, with a dash of fan fic** The Tyrell's downfall has been majorly forshadowed. It's about time they take the fall. They wouldn't let us go head over heels for the Queen of Thorns and warm up to Margaery this much if they weren't to die a horrible death. Plus they were never a BIG house to start with. They were always just there. Also, fun to note that all the major houses are going into extinction. The Lannisters are reduced to Cersei and Jaime (Tommen will die as per the profecy, Tyrion is exiled), The Tullys are down to Blackfish (any one else there?), we have only two and a half Starks left standing (with Rickon's demise set in stone[?] and Bran a larger-than-life see-all change-all figure now). House Baratheon is gone. House Arryn left in the hands of a silly 10 year old boy, House Greyjoy set to kill each other and House Martell which we could rename House Sand because there are no Martell's left alive are there? So it's fitting that House Tyrell, the one with the biggest army and riches, is set for a major downfall. There's no progeny for any house, no viable future lines of succession. I think this fits well in Daenerys's long lasting plan to rule the seven kindgoms. Let them kill each other before she, the last[?] of the Targaryens, comes in and rules whats left. I still think that's too obvious an outcome though and there will be a massive twist to that plan. Which brings me to my little theory that we will end all of this with Sansa as the Queen of LIFE after being crowned Queen in The North, The Vale and the Riverlands and then gaining sovereignty over the lands south and west to them [Cersei or Dany will burn King's Landing to ruins anyway], and surviving the War of Ice and Fire (with Jon Snow and Dany dying for the cause after burning every single wight to the ground). It'll make sense to me for her character development (which seems to be the longest and deepest in the show). It also fits with the theme of getting rid of all this invaders and putting the First Men back in charge of Westeros. Also - if I may - Winter Is Coming: The Starks will takeover. Sansa also seems to be based on Elizabeth of York who was the first Tudor Queen, the new dynasty after the War of The Roses. #TeamSansa |
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12th June 2016, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(Joe. @ Jun 10 2016, 01:57 PM) Loras Tyrell and Margaery Tyrell?! Noooo. Rickon is very believable given they're current situation, it's going to be awful to watch, either way. Rickon is a goner. There's set photos of a child on a cross with several other people right before the battle. The only other person t could be is Lady Mormont. I thought it was pretty much confirmed though that Ramsay Bolton was going to die? |
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12th June 2016, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 12 2016, 12:49 PM) Rickon is a goner. There's set photos of a child on a cross with several other people right before the battle. The only other person t could be is Lady Mormont. I thought it was pretty much confirmed though that Ramsay Bolton was going to die? Apparently, Ramsey has Rickon killed by arrows and John decides to keep Ramsey as a prisoner |
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12th June 2016, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 12 2016, 11:07 AM) That episode 9 looking juicy AF! **potential spoilers, predictions and theories below, with a dash of fan fic** The Tyrell's downfall has been majorly forshadowed. It's about time they take the fall. They wouldn't let us go head over heels for the Queen of Thorns and warm up to Margaery this much if they weren't to die a horrible death. Plus they were never a BIG house to start with. They were always just there. Also, fun to note that all the major houses are going into extinction. The Lannisters are reduced to Cersei and Jaime (Tommen will die as per the profecy, Tyrion is exiled), The Tullys are down to Blackfish (any one else there?), we have only two and a half Starks left standing (with Rickon's demise set in stone[?] and Bran a larger-than-life see-all change-all figure now). House Baratheon is gone. House Arryn left in the hands of a silly 10 year old boy, House Greyjoy set to kill each other and House Martell which we could rename House Sand because there are no Martell's left alive are there? So it's fitting that House Tyrell, the one with the biggest army and riches, is set for a major downfall. There's no progeny for any house, no viable future lines of succession. I think this fits well in Daenerys's long lasting plan to rule the seven kindgoms. Let them kill each other before she, the last[?] of the Targaryens, comes in and rules whats left. I still think that's too obvious an outcome though and there will be a massive twist to that plan. Which brings me to my little theory that we will end all of this with Sansa as the Queen of LIFE after being crowned Queen in The North, The Vale and the Riverlands and then gaining sovereignty over the lands south and west to them [Cersei or Dany will burn King's Landing to ruins anyway], and surviving the War of Ice and Fire (with Jon Snow and Dany dying for the cause after burning every single wight to the ground). It'll make sense to me for her character development (which seems to be the longest and deepest in the show). It also fits with the theme of getting rid of all this invaders and putting the First Men back in charge of Westeros. Also - if I may - Winter Is Coming: The Starks will takeover. Sansa also seems to be based on Elizabeth of York who was the first Tudor Queen, the new dynasty after the War of The Roses. #TeamSansa Cersei was born Lannister but she is Baratheon by name and so is Tommen so the house isn't quite extinct yet... yet. Jon Snow should be proclaimed a Stark and King Of The North by the end of the season and... If what I've read (again from a very reliable source) turns out to be true then you can forget your Sansa theory. |
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12th June 2016, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 12 2016, 04:20 PM) Cersei was born Lannister but she is Baratheon by name and so is Tommen so the house isn't quite extinct yet... yet. Jon Snow should be proclaimed a Stark and King Of The North by the end of the season and... If what I've read (again from a very reliable source) turns out to be true then you can forget your Sansa theory. Are they gonna turn her into LSH? 
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12th June 2016, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 12 2016, 05:19 PM) Are they gonna turn her into LSH? Not from what I've heard, but if you really, really, really, REALLY want to know.... (and I stress it comes from a so far accurate source that I hope and think is wrong with this one) Dany will have Drogon burn her alive by the end of the whole thing This post has been edited by Severin: 12th June 2016, 04:32 PM |
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12th June 2016, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 12 2016, 05:28 PM) Dany will have Drogon burn her alive by the end of the whole thing Oh crickey  Dany's just gonna burn everything around her and be Queen of the Ashes isn't she? 
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12th June 2016, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 12 2016, 05:35 PM) Oh crickey Dany's just gonna burn everything around her and be Queen of the Ashes isn't she? Like I said I'm not convinced by this claim yet. Even if the source worked on the the show (which is probable) I wouldn't expect that Dany reaches Westeros this season and I doubt anyone knows next season's plots except GRR Martin and the showrunners, so I find this plausible but mere speculation. But yeah, Dany's gonna burn everything and everyone we love I think |
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12th June 2016, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 12 2016, 05:41 PM) Like I said I'm not convinced by this claim yet. Even if the source worked on the the show (which is probable) I wouldn't expect that Dany reaches Westeros this season and I doubt anyone knows next season's plots except GRR Martin and the showrunners, so I find this plausible but mere speculation. But yeah, Dany's gonna burn everything and everyone we love I think Well let's wait and see. It's enough of an out there outcome and thus plausible by the show's standards. Having Dany burning and ruling everything is a bit of a meh finale though. Surely that's what everyone's hoping for since S1. Hyped for tonight's episode though, the seeds have been planted for LSH's appearance, hope they don't disappoint... |
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13th June 2016, 04:45 PM
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I was quite disappointed with 'No One'. So many theories dropped for less exciting ones, despite everything we picked up, it wasn't Ja'qen pretending to be Arya to test the Waif, it was just Arya being stupid and letting herself get stabbed multiple times before recovering abnormally quickly, it's not LSH and it was just a few rebel BWBs, while Beric just shows up like he's never been away. And if Cleganebowl does happen it won't be in the form we thought it would. And I could accept the changing of those theories if there were some good alternatives but the writing for all those instances felt flat and obvious. At least Arya's finally going but it shouldn't be an 'oh finally' feeling we get from her saying she's found herself to Ja'qen.
The Blackfish dying offscreen, while probably practical given the actor's age, also felt like an unworthy end to a great character. Basically the only good thing happening in this episode was Sandor being Sandor, and even that had some forced in fanservice. Biggest disappointment I've felt in a GoT episode in a long while. |
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13th June 2016, 06:53 PM
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Whilst I agree it was a poor episode for the show's standard, I interpreted much of what happened a bit different.
Arya's arc especially, it had its flaws, most of which I agree with, but I do believe in that theory that she was battling herself. It wasn't explicitly explained, but it didn't need to be. "A girl is finally no one", he said thinking Faceless Arya defeated Arya Stark. Only to be told that it was Faceless Arya that got defeated. Arya now knows who she really is and who she needs to be, she's staying true to herself. And this somehow pleases the Many Face God. Very clever stuff, and very character defining. Could it have been done better? Obviously. With the BWB I don't think we've seen everything that's coming from them. They're not going to be only a vehicle for The Hound's arc, they had the nomad community for that. Jamie made sure we remembered well who Catelyn Stark was during his chat with Edmure, and just how fierce she really was, as did Blackfish when he compared Sansa to her mother. If that wasn't hinting at her return as Lady Stoneheart then I'll really lose faith in these storylines outside of the book canon. I read an interesting theory about Blackfish though. He was killed off, he might've been thrown in the river. In the books, who's found in the river after her death brought back to life by Beric Dondarrion? Who's to say they won't give that storyline to a different character? I'm all up for Lord Stoneheart/Stonefish/Blackheart if we can't have Catelyn back. But that's just a theory, can't quite see it happening. The whole Mereen thing though, what a waste. And what a cheesy return by Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and of the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons and Master of Stalling. 
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