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Brett-Butler
post 10th October 2016, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Oct 9 2016, 11:00 PM) *
Unfortunately as Battenberg is also a town in Germany Amber Rudd will call round tomorrow to destroy all any Battenberg's you have in your storage cupboards and existing stock will be expunged. Anybody caught eating one will be put on a list and sent to Milton Keynes.


Fortunately, the Cake Lobby anticipated such a situation arising, and enacted Emergency Protocol 50, which states that if a foreign sounding cake is in danger from Rudd's Pantry Raids, its name will be Anglicized in order to avoid unfair destruction. Unfortunately, the alternative name it christened the cake with, The "British Puke Window", failed to capture the public's imagination.
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post 10th October 2016, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 9 2016, 10:46 PM) *
And we have a PM who thought the same thing a few short months ago, but has now changed her mind so completely that she now wants as little to do with the EU as possible. We also have a leader of the opposition whose first reaction to the referendum result was to say that the PM should invoke Article 50 immediately, thereby making it more difficult to ask her about her dramatic volte face.


I look forward to PM May getting the traditional Pres Trump greeting he reserves for ladies and grabbing her by Mrs Slocombe's cat. That should secure those extra trade deals teresa.gif
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post 10th October 2016, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Oct 10 2016, 07:31 PM) *
Fortunately, the Cake Lobby anticipated such a situation arising, and enacted Emergency Protocol 50, which states that if a foreign sounding cake is in danger from Rudd's Pantry Raids, its name will be Anglicized in order to avoid unfair destruction. Unfortunately, the alternative name it christened the cake with, The "British Puke Window", failed to capture the public's imagination.

Didn't the Cake Lobby split following the 2016 Bake Off Crisis?
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post 12th October 2016, 05:35 PM
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170 questions from Labour to Tories about Brexit.

Shame they are 6 months too late, that Corbyn failed to pose them before the referendum, and that he offers no answers to any of the questions should he on the very very remote chance become Prime Minister.

Anyone can ask a question. How about actual policy statements on what Labour would DO.

The Tories meanwhile have already stated Brexit means hard Brexit and they have no intention of taking advice from anyone else, or telling the voters what they will do, or let the elected members of the public have a say in it.

May, in fact, has questioned the citizenship of anyone who feels themselves members of the Planet Earth, and the press have now singled out pro-EU politicians for the same presumable treatment as Jo Cox. Teresa May said nothing during the brexerendum fairly obviously because she was more froth-mouthed Brexit than Farage and was biding her time....

I actually miss democracy, such fond memories of being able to express an opinion without being labelled a traitor and shot.
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post 12th October 2016, 06:04 PM
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The Leave campaigners kept telling us that the referendum was about "taking back control" for the UK parliament. They didn't tell us that it would be a uniquely Tory interpretation of taking back control whereby the biggest post-referendum decision wouldn't be made by parliament at all.

Of course, it gets worse. May has announced hew "Great Repeal Bill", a typically naff American-style name just to show people how we aren't European any more. The intention is that all European legislation will be incorporated into UK law. So far, so reasonable. The plan is that individual pieces of legislation can then be repealed. However, it has been suggested that the government won't actually do anything as vulgar as allowing parliament to discuss which pieces of legislation will be repealed. Instead they will be repealed by the stroke of a minister's pen.

Perhaps Ms May could let us know exactly what "control" parliament will have taken back.
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post 12th October 2016, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Oct 12 2016, 05:35 PM) *
I actually miss democracy, such fond memories of being able to express an opinion without being labelled a traitor and shot.

Yes, those were the good old days. Still, it's better to be a traitor than to be an idiot, I suppose.
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post 12th October 2016, 07:04 PM
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The fall out of this referendum has been particularly vicious and nasty. I think a lot of it is because of the nature of the 'debate' that occurred that has been fanned by the far right press. We've ended up with a referendum on immigration and not on the facts.

Every time I think about this referendum, the media, the government (westminster), UKIP and the bigotry that has gripped this country I get unspeakably angry and ashamed to be British. Honestly disgusted by this country since this referendum started.
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post 12th October 2016, 07:18 PM
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During parliament, Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, a Brexiteer, was reminded by Labour MP Chris Bryant that his constituency of North East Somerset had voted to remain in the EU. Here is what he said:

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You should check the record. Unfortunately north east Somerset was not counted separately. We were infected by the votes of people in Bath. I’m pretty confident that the wise people of rural Somerset voted to leave whilst the urbanites in Bath voted to remain.


"Oh yes, we're all wise Brexiteers but those remainer Bathonians are a virus on the rest of Brexiteer North East Somerset. My constituency would have voted leave if it weren't for those filthy infectious Bathonian urbanist remainers."

Idiot.


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post 12th October 2016, 07:31 PM
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What a cuntwaffle.
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post 12th October 2016, 08:08 PM
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Never liked the little weasel politically. He can occasionaly be amusing, but then so can johnson and farage. He is a spoilt rich upper class chinless cliche
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post 12th October 2016, 08:46 PM
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So, that whole food prices thing is happening a lot sooner than I thought it would. Albeit, in a roundabout way to begin with, but give it time.

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The plummeting pound is threatening UK households’ supplies of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream and Marmite spread, as Tesco, the country’s biggest supermarket, pulled dozens of products from sale online in a row over who should bear the cost of the weakening currency.

Unilever has demanded steep price increases to offset the higher cost of imported commodities, which are priced in euros and dollars, according to executives at multiple supermarket groups.

But Tesco signalled it would fight the rises, removing Unilever products from its website and warning that some of the items could disappear from shelves if the dispute dragged on. Other supermarkets have warned that they could follow suit.

Britain’s biggest grocer is led by Dave Lewis, a former Unilever “lifer” who ran the Anglo-Dutch company’s personal care business, overseeing brands that include Dove soap, Signal toothpaste and Tresemmé shampoo.

He had been seen as a potential successor to Paul Polman, chief executive of Unilever, before he jumped ship to Tesco two years ago.

The pound has fallen 17 per cent since Britain voted to leave the EU. Officials cautioned ahead of the June 23 referendum that a vote for Brexit would cause food prices to rise, a warning that Eurosceptic MPs have dismissed as “scaremongering”.

Mr Lewis signalled last week that he was limbering up for a fight with suppliers that tried to use the fall in sterling to push through price increases.

He said many of them had failed to pass on currency benefits to consumers when sterling was on the way up, and that he was “uncomfortable” with efforts to raise prices on the way down.

“That’s the way you have to negotiate,” said Bruno Monteyne, an analyst at Bernstein. “You have to draw a line in the sand and say, ‘OK, we’re going to delist you.’”

An executive at another British supermarket group said Unilever had threatened to cut off its entire supply unless it agreed to an across-the-board price increase of 10 per cent. He said the retailer would consider banishing Unilever products from its stores rather than comply with the ultimatum.

Unilever declined to comment on its negotiations with supermarkets.

Tesco said in a statement: “We are currently experiencing availability issues on a number of Unilever products. We always work to ensure customers get the best possible prices and we hope to have this issue resolved soon.”

An executive at another consumer goods manufacturer said Unilever would probably regard Tesco’s action as a negotiating tactic rather than a serious threat.

Mr Monteyne agreed that, while Tesco’s size gave it a strong negotiating position, the grocer would ultimately be forced to reach a compromise.

“Unilever is very big and Tesco can’t get around not working with them,” he said. “Dave Lewis might be wanting to show he’s not shying away from his former employer, but really, there’s much more at stake.”


Oh god, I can't believe we're about to go through all of this just to stop Polish people coming over here to work in sectors that already have massive skills and recruitment shortfalls.
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post 12th October 2016, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Oct 12 2016, 08:04 PM) *
Every time I think about this referendum, the media, the government (westminster), UKIP and the bigotry that has gripped this country I get unspeakably angry and ashamed to be British. Honestly disgusted by this country since this referendum started.

I stand by this earlier comment in light of Tesco's news.

We've utterly destroyed our future for an illusion of control.
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post 13th October 2016, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Oct 12 2016, 09:51 PM) *
I stand by this earlier comment in light of Tesco's news.

We've utterly destroyed our future for an illusion of control.



Oh don't be so melodramatic. You're talking as if Brexit's World III or something. rolleyes.gif Everything will be fine and our new great PM will see to that. She'll make sure they don't sell us short. It's the best decision we ever made and I'm proud to have voted to leave.
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post 13th October 2016, 10:24 AM
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Our great new PM? Has Theresa May resigned already?
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post 13th October 2016, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Oct 13 2016, 11:19 AM) *
Oh don't be so melodramatic. You're talking as if Brexit's World III or something. rolleyes.gif Everything will be fine and our new great PM will see to that. She'll make sure they don't sell us short. It's the best decision we ever made and I'm proud to have voted to leave.

January is going to hit you like a truck.
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post 13th October 2016, 10:49 AM
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Shame it's just metaphorical. Real one might knock some sense into him.

The SNP have confirmed they will vote against the repeal bill, as they should given that every single area of Scotland voted remain, and their red line is Single Market access.
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post 13th October 2016, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Oct 13 2016, 11:19 AM) *
Oh don't be so melodramatic. You're talking as if Brexit's World III or something. rolleyes.gif Everything will be fine and our new great PM will see to that. She'll make sure they don't sell us short. It's the best decision we ever made and I'm proud to have voted to leave.


Ha! Who's the one being melodramatic...! WW3 as if.

Everything will be fine if you dont have to buy groceries on a budget. Otherwise you will be struggling. Exactly HOW does FrankenMay have control over what private companies charge? Is she going to privatise them all? Of course not, don't be ridiculous, they can and will charge exactly whatever it takes to make a profit, and that means prices going up in the UK. Just bought some euros for holiday - airports now charging LESS than a euro to the pound.

Everything's fine then....and we havent done single thing, triggered anything, negotiated anything, agreed anything.

Glad you're proud. I'm proud I have the capacity to reason and think for myself rather than let a load of rich tories & foreign billionaires do it for me. As long as you're happy having less money to spend, though.
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post 13th October 2016, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Oct 13 2016, 12:47 PM) *
Glad you're proud. I'm proud I have the capacity to reason and think for myself rather than let a load of rich tories & foreign billionaires do it for me. As long as you're happy having less money to spend, though.



They had nothing to do with me voting out though. I can think and reason things out for myself too. The reason I and all other people I know around here voted out was because we can see all the East European immigrants that have come here to East London, mainly from Poland and Romania, in recent years. Some are living 10-15 to a house. It has to stop as it's such a strain on our services. It's not racist either as most are white people. I actually know a family through walking my dog. Nice people but we can't do with them all here.


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post 13th October 2016, 04:15 PM
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FOR THE LAST f***ING TIME. MIGRATION ALONE IS NOT A STRAIN ON PUBLIC SERVICES. THESE MIGRANTS CONTRIBUTE MORE TAX TO THESE SERVICES IN A DAY THAN YOU EVER HAVE IN YOUR WHOLE f***ING LIFE. PUBLIC SERVICES ARE UNDER PRESSURE BECAUSE SUCCESSIVE GOVERNMENTS HAVE UNDERFUNDED THEM.


Urgh. Stop believing the utter lies of the right wing press. Yes our services are strained, but they're strained because of austerity and chronic underfunding. This problem pre-dates the 2004 expansion of the EU and will continue after we leave the EU. Leaving the EU will not solve our problems because it's the bogeyman, the fall guy and not the cause. It's not even the symptom.
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post 13th October 2016, 04:16 PM
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And google xenophobia. It's what you call inter-race racism and is just as bad as racism.
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