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13th October 2016, 04:25 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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FOR THE LAST f***ING TIME. MIGRATION ALONE IS NOT A STRAIN ON PUBLIC SERVICES. THESE MIGRANTS CONTRIBUTE MORE TAX TO THESE SERVICES IN A DAY THAN YOU EVER HAVE IN YOUR WHOLE f***ING LIFE. PUBLIC SERVICES ARE UNDER PRESSURE BECAUSE SUCCESSIVE GOVERNMENTS HAVE UNDERFUNDED THEM. No need to shout. Did I say it was the only strain? Yes, public services need more money but the more people needing to use them is of course a strain. That's common sense. |
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13th October 2016, 04:33 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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No need to shout. Did I say it was the only strain? Yes, public services need more money but the more people needing to use them is of course a strain. That's common sense. And who do you think is providing those services? If you meet an immigrant in a hospital, they are probably a member of staff. |
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13th October 2016, 04:50 PM
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Queen of Soon
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No need to shout. Did I say it was the only strain? Yes, public services need more money but the more people needing to use them is of course a strain. That's common sense. Apparently there is because you don't listen otherwise. It's 👋 only 👋 A 👋 strain 👋 because 👋 we 👋 don't 👋 invest 👋 in 👋 line 👋 with 👋 population 👋 growth |
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13th October 2016, 04:53 PM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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And who do you think is providing those services? If you meet an immigrant in a hospital, they are probably a member of staff. That's why we have British-trained nurses and doctors having to find work in Australia or Canada rather than the NHS putting British workers first. |
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13th October 2016, 05:02 PM
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Queen of Soon
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Those workers seek work abroad because of the low pay and truly horrendous conditions they work under because there isn't enough staff because the government won't pay for enough staff. Did the junior doctors strike just pass you by entirely or were you too busy reading the mail and express?
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13th October 2016, 05:47 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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It has to stop as it's such a strain on our services. The irony here is that on our health service in particular the strain is being taken NOT caused by immigrants. Many (Across the UK, EU immigrants make up 10% of registered doctors and 4% of registered nurses) of which provide the vital health cover needed to treat our rapidly ageing population which is increasingly obese and prone to preventative diseases such as diabetes because we have such poor diets. Whereas those coming here are often young, fit and healthy and provide little or no burden on the NHS. Of course that inconvenient fact wouldn't fit with your narrow and ignorant world view Chris. |
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13th October 2016, 06:05 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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That's why we have British-trained nurses and doctors having to find work in Australia or Canada rather than the NHS putting British workers first. No, they're going because life as a doctor in Australia is rather easier than it is here. And, of course, most Australians have the good fortune not to know who Jeremy Hunt is. |
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13th October 2016, 07:36 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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...and I'd add the Australians and Canadians don't moan about all the foreign doctors and nurses (ie UK citizens) coming over and taking all their jobs - they want them, just as we in the Uk want trained staff who are willing to work for what we are prepared to pay for, despite being slagged off and hard pressed because we have a government that wont pay enough.
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14th October 2016, 07:36 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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An open letter to the Mail and Express posted by someone on Facebook...
QUOTE Dear Daily Mail & Daily Express, Come and silence me. Come and literally silence me. I'm university educated, I'm a professional, I have a basic understanding of several foreign languages. I don't wear glasses yet, but if it helps to satisfy your desire for a Cambodian-esque genocide any more, I'm more than happy to borrow some. But much worse than any of these failings, I have the audacity to disagree with you. What could be more deserving of being silenced? On the other hand, you represent literally everything this country has stood against in living memory. You are vile, you are despicable. You stir up hatred and pander to the lowest common denominator. You attempt to suppress democracy and the rule of law. You aim to subvert the sovereignty of the UK's parliamentary democracy. You alienate and vilify valuable members of British society, and you actively pursue the decimation of the British economy. You are against everything and everyone, and you are FOR nothing. You, and all of your staff, are the embodiment of the malevolent fascism and evil despotism that this country has fought to destroy. You are the enemy within. There is nothing in this country less British than you. There is nobody more worthy of being "silenced" in this country than you. And yet those of us that you want to silence have the honour, the self respect and the integrity to know that your vile ideas cannot be truly silenced. They must be engaged and defeated. Time after time. You are just a sad relic of the Britain we learnt about in History. The parts of Britain that we have always been ashamed of and never want to repeat. I agree with him totally. |
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15th October 2016, 08:59 PM
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My mother said, to get things done, you better not mess with Maj
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16th October 2016, 08:08 AM
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My mother said, to get things done, you better not mess with Maj
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Now, I'll try my hand at writing a response to the Daily Mail:
"Dear Daily Mail First, let me introduce myself: my name is Taylor Jago, I am 15 years old, I was born in Northampton, I live in a small village in Seine-Maritime and I go to high school in Dieppe. Young, I hear you say! Living in France, I hear you say! Pursuing education, I hear you say! He is not British! A Britishman has never left these isles. But that's where you're wrong, Daily Mail. While I may hold the Citoyenneté française, I am as British as you are. As you may have guessed by the information about me that you know, I was, and still am, very much in favour of the United Kingdom remaining in the European Union. That, according to your recent headline, makes me whingering and unpatriotic. No, I am not whingering. No, I am not unpatriotic. One of my friends is excited for Brexit because he can't wait for the UK to commit economic suicide. If I was unpatriotic, I'd be agreeing with him. After all, since I am a dual national, I will keep my EU citizenship and every benefit that the British will soon lose. I could simply not care. But I do care, because I love this country. And it is precisely because I am patriotic that I am against Brexit. And if that makes me contemptuous, then so be it. If that makes my voice and opinion "infect on the will of the British people", then so be it. I never wanted Brexit during the referendum campaign. I didn't accept Brexit on June 24th. I have never, and will never accept Brexit, and I am far from the only one. Because I am European. Every person in Britain is European, whether you like it or not. But just remember this, Daily Mail: my generation is the generation which didn't believe your lies. My generation is the generation which believes in an united Europe. While we may have lost a battle, we have not lost the fight. And one day, our voice will be louder, and we will be able to undo the idiotic decision you and others misled 17 million people into making. When that day comes, I'll take the weekend off and drive up north to the city of Brussels. I'll dine in a nice restaurant, and sleep in a nice hotel. The Brexiteers's defeat will be a moment to celebrate. But until then, we'll see our country fall into disarray, because of you. And then, we'll pick up the pieces. We'll mend our relationship with Europe. It will take time, but it will be all worth it in the end. Make no mistake, Daily Mail: there will be not Brexit flag upon our door, we're Europeans, always will be." |
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16th October 2016, 09:51 AM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Now, I'll try my hand at writing a response to the Daily Mail: "Dear Daily Mail First, let me introduce myself: my name is Taylor Jago, I am 15 years old, I was born in Northampton, I live in a small village in Seine-Maritime and I go to high school in Dieppe. Young, I hear you say! Living in France, I hear you say! Pursuing education, I hear you say! He is not British! A Britishman has never left these isles. But that's where you're wrong, Daily Mail. While I may hold the Citoyenneté française, I am as British as you are. As you may have guessed by the information about me that you know, I was, and still am, very much in favour of the United Kingdom remaining in the European Union. That, according to your recent headline, makes me whingering and unpatriotic. No, I am not whingering. No, I am not unpatriotic. One of my friends is excited for Brexit because he can't wait for the UK to commit economic suicide. If I was unpatriotic, I'd be agreeing with him. After all, since I am a dual national, I will keep my EU citizenship and every benefit that the British will soon lose. I could simply not care. But I do care, because I love this country. And it is precisely because I am patriotic that I am against Brexit. And if that makes me contemptuous, then so be it. If that makes my voice and opinion "infect on the will of the British people", then so be it. I never wanted Brexit during the referendum campaign. I didn't accept Brexit on June 24th. I have never, and will never accept Brexit, and I am far from the only one. Because I am European. Every person in Britain is European, whether you like it or not. But just remember this, Daily Mail: my generation is the generation which didn't believe your lies. My generation is the generation which believes in an united Europe. While we may have lost a battle, we have not lost the fight. And one day, our voice will be louder, and we will be able to undo the idiotic decision you and others misled 17 million people into making. When that day comes, I'll take the weekend off and drive up north to the city of Brussels. I'll dine in a nice restaurant, and sleep in a nice hotel. The Brexiteers's defeat will be a moment to celebrate. But until then, we'll see our country fall into disarray, because of you. And then, we'll pick up the pieces. We'll mend our relationship with Europe. It will take time, but it will be all worth it in the end. Make no mistake, Daily Mail: there will be not Brexit flag upon our door, we're Europeans, always will be." The tragedy is that, even if nobody who voted in June changed their mind, a referendum in ten years' time would probably have supported Remain simply because your generation would have made the difference. A referendum that is so reliant on timing is not a away to make such an important decision for the future of the country. |
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16th October 2016, 10:40 AM
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My mother said, to get things done, you better not mess with Maj
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/john...4b04e1174a50f4f
It's weird now to think that I liked John Cleese at the beginning of the year. What an imbecile. |
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17th October 2016, 07:44 AM
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BuzzJack Legend
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The government have now revealed how much of the mythical £350m per week will be going to the NHS. The answer is precisely nothing. Not a single penny. If anyone is surprised by this they haven't been paying attention.
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17th October 2016, 08:00 AM
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17th October 2016, 08:01 AM
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Buffy/Charmed
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17th October 2016, 12:20 PM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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Euro founder is predicting the Euro to collapse and could take down the EU too.
QUOTE The Euro currency project is unworkable in its current form and at the risk of “collapse”, its principal architect has warned. from The Independent news website.
Professor Otmar Issing, the European Central Bank’s first chief economist who helped create the single currency at the turn of the century, has warned that the Euro cannot survive in its current form. He said the ECB had become dangerously overextended as it tries to manage the 19 economies using the single currency. This post has been edited by PeaceMob: 17th October 2016, 12:50 PM |
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17th October 2016, 01:22 PM
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DROTTNING!
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Mario Draghi rather famously said something about that.
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17th October 2016, 01:53 PM
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Queen of Soon
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I haven't seen that on the Independent but what I did see was a story on the warning that Standard & Poor's gave that it was likely that the Sterling would cease to be a reserve currency if we don't keep single market access.
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17th October 2016, 04:15 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Amazing people believed these lies. Well I certainly did and that's what we were told. I shall be writing this evening to Theresa May and marking it "Personal" and will let you know what her hand-written reply says. If true it's outrageous. This post has been edited by Common Sense: 17th October 2016, 04:16 PM |
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