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 Apr 29 2016, 07:29 PM
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Numerous songs these days have featured artists involved, and the vast majority have no debate surrounding the chart credit, but in some cases, it seems the OCC don't recognise an artist's contribution, and this tends to be when a new single mix is released with an extra artist involved, who wasn't present on the album version. For example, Major Lazer's Light It Up is just credited to "Major Lazer feat. Nyla", despite Fuse ODG being present on the single mix, which is by far the most popular version.
Some other examples (bolded artist is not credited by the OCC): David Guetta feat. Sia & Fetty Wap - Bang My Head Little Mix feat. Sean Paul - Hair Sia feat. Sean Paul - Cheap Thrills The Vamps feat. Demi Lovato - Somebody To You The Vamps feat. Shawn Mendes - Oh Cecilia (Breaking My Heart) Although, I've noticed identical cases where the featured artist *is* credited, for example: Little Mix feat. Missy Elliott - How Ya Doin'? Taylor Swift feat. Kendrick Lamar - Bad Blood The Vamps feat. Omi - I Found a Girl I'm wondering what everyone else's views on this are. Personally, I credit a song based on the single mix, even if this involves changing the credit later in its chart life (see: Hair, which charted top 40 before the single mix). An exception would be a case like Years & Years with Desire, where it was a single in the first place with the solo version. It's an interesting topic to discuss I think, cause I find it strange that Cheap Thrills won't count officially to Sean Paul's discography despite his version being by far the most popular one! |
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Apr 29 2016, 08:50 PM
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They're very inconsistent with this.
 I definitely think they should credit the featured artist as soon as it's apparent that their version is the "main version". It's clearly obvious that the Sean Paul versions are the hit versions for Sia & Little Mix, and it seems unfair for them to not go towards his chart history.~ Strangely the OCC took quite a different approach with this example from 2008: will.i.am featuring Cheryl Cole - Heartbreaker. The original album version of this was solely by will.i.am, and initially its entry in March 2008 was only credited to him. The OCC swiftly changed the credit to "will.i.am featuring Cheryl Cole" as 'Heartbreaker' climbed up the chart in April. This was in advance of the version with Cheryl Cole even being released! Her version came out in early May. The funny thing is that the will.i.am-only version performed better on iTunes than the Cheryl version, so the fact 'Heartbreaker' peaked at #4 in the official chart can pretty much be attributed to his solo version! It spent around 6 weeks within the iTunes Top 10 in April & May 2008 (peaking at #4), while the Cheryl version floundered outside of the iTunes Top 20 for weeks. Cheryl's version finally overtook in mid-June, but could only manage an iTunes peak of #11 before it started to descend. This coincided with Heartbreaker's 8th and final week in the Top 10. #interesting x |
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Apr 29 2016, 08:54 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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The will.i.am situation is really intriguing actually, wasn't aware the Cheryl version was initially less popular than the album version! And the OCC credited it to them both straight away. That's what I think should happen really, because Cheryl was on the single version which was sent to radio etc.
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Apr 30 2016, 08:30 AM
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Poor Sean being the victim of this twice
 
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May 1 2016, 05:01 AM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Apr 29 2016, 08:29 PM)  Numerous songs these days have featured artists involved, and the vast majority have no debate surrounding the chart credit, but in some cases, it seems the OCC don't recognise an artist's contribution, and this tends to be when a new single mix is released with an extra artist involved, who wasn't present on the album version. For example, Major Lazer's Light It Up is just credited to "Major Lazer feat. Nyla", despite Fuse ODG being present on the single mix, which is by far the most popular version. Some other examples (bolded artist is not credited by the OCC): David Guetta feat. Sia & Fetty Wap - Bang My Head Little Mix feat. Sean Paul - Hair Sia feat. Sean Paul - Cheap Thrills The Vamps feat. Demi Lovato - Somebody To You The Vamps feat. Shawn Mendes - Oh Cecilia (Breaking My Heart) Although, I've noticed identical cases where the featured artist *is* credited, for example: Little Mix feat. Missy Elliott - How Ya Doin'? Taylor Swift feat. Kendrick Lamar - Bad Blood The Vamps feat. Omi - I Found a Girl I'm wondering what everyone else's views on this are. Personally, I credit a song based on the single mix, even if this involves changing the credit later in its chart life (see: Hair, which charted top 40 before the single mix). An exception would be a case like Years & Years with Desire, where it was a single in the first place with the solo version. It's an interesting topic to discuss I think, cause I find it strange that Cheap Thrills won't count officially to Sean Paul's discography despite his version being by far the most popular one! I believe if a song entered the chart as a 'solo version', the 'new single mix' shouldn't credit the featuring artist. I remember when Sam smith released a new version of Lay Me Down' with John Legend, That version entered completely separately as the record label wanted it this way for Sports Relief. It annoyed me as this can clog the chart up unnecessary (even though I can also understand why they did it) When it comes to 'original solo versions' that didn't chart first time round, the new single mix should enter the chart with the featuring artist just like Cheap Thrills. The David Guetta song Bang My Head which features Fetty Wap is down right bizarre. If the artist is credited on the version entering the chart, then why isn't the artist credited in the chart? Is there a version without Fetty Wap available? *Update* I've just looked up David Guetta's Listen album tracklisting and the Sia only version is on the original album. Fetty Wap is on the 'Listen Again' edition. Maybe the record label haven't made it clear to make this version the credit version This post has been edited by soundseekerz: May 1 2016, 05:24 AM |
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May 1 2016, 06:30 AM
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I don't like featured artists credits - to me they seem like just an ego trip.
If you really want more than one name in there - call your act a duo, trio, or whatever. |
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May 1 2016, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(soundseekerz @ May 1 2016, 06:01 AM) I remember when Sam smith released a new version of Lay Me Down' with John Legend, That version entered completely separately as the record label wanted it this way for Sports Relief. It annoyed me as this can clog the chart up unnecessary (even though I can also understand why they did it) Style peaked at #21 because of this
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May 1 2016, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 1 2016, 07:30 AM) I don't like featured artists credits - to me they seem like just an ego trip. If you really want more than one name in there - call your act a duo, trio, or whatever. I sort of agree with you: why Hair for example isn't billed as Little Mix & Sean Paul? Wonder which was the first chart hit containing the word "featuring" |
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May 1 2016, 09:52 AM
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There you go let them chart separately the solo and then the featured one problem solved
they did it for Sam Smith they should do it for everyone It's stupid because the ones that are not credited it's because they are New "remixes" what a load of rubbish there needs to be consistency credit all or credit none if the the even make so much as a fart on the track that's a feature in my book and they should be credited |
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May 1 2016, 10:02 AM
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you never forget your first time...
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Lay Me Down only charted separately due to the charity element, right? I don't like how it got separated but it doesn't mean they should do it for others imo. Nobody wants two versions of the same song clogging up the top 40. I see your point though, they need to be consistent!
Vidcapper, you do realise the point of this thread isn't about whether you like features or not, yeah?  |
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May 1 2016, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(SKOB @ May 1 2016, 10:51 AM) I sort of agree with you: why Hair for example isn't billed as Little Mix & Sean Paul? Wonder which was the first chart hit containing the word "featuring" dunno if its the first, but there was one in 1957, Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group Feat. Nancy Whisky with Freight Train This post has been edited by fiesta: May 1 2016, 12:47 PM |
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May 1 2016, 05:51 PM
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Oh that's ancient. Thought it might have been the 70s
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Nov 13 2016, 03:27 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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Bumping this because the inconsistency is now going even further and not crediting Sean Paul and Anne-Marie on Rockabye, for no apparent reason?
 This wouldn't bother me normally but when someone like Alan Jones of Music Week is saying that it doesn't actually count as a #1 hit for either of those artists, that's just ridiculous...
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Nov 13 2016, 03:48 PM
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Poor Sean Paul though hasn't been credited on a single top 40 hit this year, despite being featured in 'Rockabye' (#1), 'Cheap Thrills' (#2) and 'Hair' (#11).
 Does the OCC have a vendetta against him?
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Nov 13 2016, 04:05 PM
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I yearn for the days when people could just do a song on their own and a collaboration was actually a novelty.
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Nov 13 2016, 04:48 PM
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Just because an act is featured on a song doesnt mean they are automatically given credit. Back in the days of the physical format there were never problems like this
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Nov 13 2016, 04:50 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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But if an artist is credited on the main single version, why are the OCC ignoring some of these? That's the issue here...
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Nov 13 2016, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Nov 13 2016, 04:05 PM) I yearn for the days when people could just do a song on their own and a collaboration was actually a novelty. Acts like Clean Bandit can't really make a chart hit by just themselves though, but I get what you mean with some of these pointless features in the chart (Kendrick Lamar on 2 songs for no good reason). I'd say Sean Paul adds a good deal to 'Rockabye' and 'Cheap Thrills' though. Can't really argue against his inclusion on 'Hair' being a bit pointless but it should really be credited by the OCC! |
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Nov 13 2016, 05:16 PM
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There are no rules its a decision between the act and label who gets credit even if they do contribute toward 90% of the song like in the case of clean bandit & sean paul
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Nov 14 2016, 08:01 AM
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They've had the very Tunnocks, Mary
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If we want to go back to before the digital era, Missy Elliott was uncredited on the Christina Aguilera/Pink/Lil' Kim/Mya supergroup version of "Lady Marmalade" that hit #1 in 2001. Also Justin Timberlake's vocal was uncredited on Black Eyed Peas' "Where is the Love" in 2003 despite that being one of its main selling points at the time.
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