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 2nd December 2016, 09:15 AM
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2nd December 2016, 09:27 AM
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I'm so lonely, I paid a hobo to spoon with me
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The Croydon Cat Killer will now have a lot more time for killing cats.
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2nd December 2016, 11:36 AM
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DROTTNING!
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Danny may be amused to know that I have joined the Lib Dems.
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2nd December 2016, 11:50 AM
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Poet and Storyteller
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Dec 2 2016, 09:00 AM)  But their success, in my mind, in 2005 & 2010 has been as a result of taking a strong stand on an issue that has provided divisive and making it appear to be the core aim of the party. If you were to ask 'the man on the street', in 2005 you would have said that the Lib Dems were the party of opposition to the Iraq War (and to a lesser extent, to the opposition of ID cards), and in 2010, there were the party opposed to tuition fees - in the latter case, I had friends from home who changed their polling area from NI to the uni towns they were studying in in England/Scotland for the sole reason that the Lib Dens were standing there + had promised to stop the hike in tuition fees. I know that they had many other policies, but in the eye of many people, the party were defined by those key issues. I guess that's a fair point, its people's perceptions rather than party policies and, sadly, people do often vote on a single issue. Also, the Lib Dems get practically no media coverage at all and it's only being strongly opposed to Government bills that gets them column inches. But I think the belief that a vote for anyone other than the Tories or Labour is a protest vote is wrong. There are several legitimate parties in the UK and none of them can really be tied to one single goal. I include the SNP and Plaid Cymru in that. |
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2nd December 2016, 11:57 AM
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 Howdy, disco citizens
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Dec 2 2016, 12:36 PM) Danny may be amused to know that I have joined the Lib Dems. Glory hunter.  (I jest, I jest). |
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2nd December 2016, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Dec 2 2016, 11:36 AM) Danny may be amused to know that I have joined the Lib Dems. 
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2nd December 2016, 12:45 PM
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hooray another Lib Dem on buzzjack and also in the Houses of rich posh twats.
 Now that the Libdems have also effectively lost the anti-online argument (we are all now subject to having our online use subject to nosey parkers in dozens of fields of life, for no reason whatsoever, say, slagging off the cold-hearted, hypocritical woman who brought it in) they can focus entirely on what is the single-most important issue for the future of the country and the future of a generation. Labour are a gutless waste of space, vacuous platitudes and giving this Tory government support when it should be exposing their anti-democratic actions purely because they want to pick up anti-gov feeling votes down the line, not alienate working class Ukippers, and basically wanting out of Europe anyway with dreams of a socialist paradise once they get in power. I mean that in a caring sort of way, just like Saint "sleepin-on-the-job" Jezza does. |
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2nd December 2016, 02:09 PM
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I'm so lonely, I paid a hobo to spoon with me
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Does that make me the only Corbyn-sceptic Labourite left? Oh goody.
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2nd December 2016, 03:14 PM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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On an unrelated note, when was the last time that Labour lost their deposit in a by-election?
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2nd December 2016, 03:42 PM
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DROTTNING!
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Henley 2008.
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2nd December 2016, 07:27 PM
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My mother said, to get things done, you better not mess with Maj
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I'm ecstatic at Goldsmith losing his seat, good riddance to the little shit. His Heathrow stunt backfired!
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2nd December 2016, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Dec 2 2016, 11:36 AM) Danny may be amused to know that I have joined the Lib Dems. Ha, just as I suggested to you (a bit sarcastically) a while ago.  Is it because of Brexit, or Corbyn? This post has been edited by Danny: 2nd December 2016, 07:45 PM |
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2nd December 2016, 07:52 PM
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Well done to the Lib Dems for getting that race-baiting idiot out, but I really doubt this is going to be the start of a trend. Richmond Park has to rank as one of the top "Orange Book" seats in the country: one of the only seats where people are economically-Tory and love low taxes and big businesses and don't care about public services, yet also are diehard social liberals who put staying in the EU as one of their top priorities. Most economic-Tories outside of London actually voted for Brexit or else even if they voted Remain don't feel that strongly about it, whereas most people who DO feel strongly about Europe are often fully-fledged Corbynistas when it comes to economic matters. I don't see that the Lib Dems are very attractive to either group.
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2nd December 2016, 08:36 PM
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well that tells the whole population of Richmond then, all nicely lumped together in one selfishly-innuendo'd batch and categorized off. Or maybe they see the looming catastrophe as a bit inconvenient for the whole country, not just themselves.
So where are these fully-fledged Corbynistas EU-loving disciples while Saint Jezza is not merely letting Hard Brexit Tories get him to bend over compliantly, he's letting them shaft him royally, because HE WANTS IT! He wants it HARD. So why aren't they having a word with their leader over his attitude since the morning of the day after the vote and his "Trigger It Now!" demands following his 6 out of 10 half-hearted defence of it at the last minute? Errr cos they don't care, or else they are just timid star-struck groupies. Has to be one or the other, because they are clearly not making their opinions known (as those "traitors" on the more centrist part of the party have and got banged down for it). |
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2nd December 2016, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Dec 2 2016, 08:36 PM) So why aren't they having a word with their leader over his attitude since the morning of the day after the vote and his "Trigger It Now!" demands following his 6 out of 10 half-hearted defence of it at the last minute? Errr cos they don't care, or else they are just timid star-struck groupies. Has to be one or the other, because they are clearly not making their opinions known (as those "traitors" on the more centrist part of the party have and got banged down for it). Maybe the average voter in Islington and Hackney is a star-struck Corbyn groupie, but that doesn't change the fact that, IMO, since they like him / his general policy agenda so much, they are off limits to the Lib Dems, no matter how much they might agree with the LDs on Europe. |
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2nd December 2016, 11:00 PM
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Very pleased for the Lib Dems. May they continue to fight back in all other by-elections that come along. Given they outperformed in Witney I figured it was only a matter of time until they got something like this in something that was fairly favourable to them and as small as it is, it's a start for the counterbalance to everything that went tits up this year politically, at the least for the airtime power of the LDs.
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3rd December 2016, 03:55 AM
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DROTTNING!
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QUOTE(Danny @ Dec 2 2016, 07:44 PM) Ha, just as I suggested to you (a bit sarcastically) a while ago. Is it because of Brexit, or Corbyn? Brexit. And just as much down to the 'moderates' as the left of the party. |
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3rd December 2016, 03:56 AM
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QUOTE(Danny @ Dec 2 2016, 09:01 PM) Maybe the average voter in Islington and Hackney is a star-struck Corbyn groupie, but that doesn't change the fact that, IMO, since they like him / his general policy agenda so much, they are off limits to the Lib Dems, no matter how much they might agree with the LDs on Europe. I would agree, but I think this does potentially depend on how much he gets shown up on Brexit should an early election on the issue happen. I could genuinely see Labour having a marginal chance of going the way of Scottish Labour if it happened, on vote share (but pretty much certainly not seats). I don't think it's impossible for the Lib Dems to get to the low 20s on the issue and Labour to sink to the low 20s on a mixture of the issue and everything else. |
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3rd December 2016, 10:38 PM
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So Corbyn has responded (as usual, knee-jerk in panic) after the result suddenly realising "sheeeeet we might get tactically-voting hammered in the general election in some areas by Remoaners" and makes a statement that Labour will be pushing for Remoaner-pleasing concessions in the event of a short 3-line Bill passing through the Commons (having been previously happy to have the Tories make all the decisions on Parliaments behalf).
Unfortunately the Leader Of The Opposition also said if they don't get their way they will still vote it through anyway. Net result: May & co won't listen to a word he says, and he clearly is just making a useless token gesture. The man is a fool. I don't think Libdems will have much to worry about Labour getting their act together when registered Labour members can't even be arsed to vote for them, preferring either to be anti-Tory or stay at home. |
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6th December 2016, 01:46 PM
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BuzzJack Gold Member
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Dec 3 2016, 03:56 AM) I would agree, but I think this does potentially depend on how much he gets shown up on Brexit should an early election on the issue happen. I could genuinely see Labour having a marginal chance of going the way of Scottish Labour if it happened, on vote share (but pretty much certainly not seats). I don't think it's impossible for the Lib Dems to get to the low 20s on the issue and Labour to sink to the low 20s on a mixture of the issue and everything else. Colour me sceptical. If this is based on that YouGov poll which said an "anti-Brexit Lib Dems" would beat a "pro-Brexit Labour" then that seems to me a prime example of a leading question. Similar to those Ashcroft polls before the 2015 election which asked people to "think specifically about your own constituency" which showed way too optimistic results for the Lib Dems -- in the event, when a lot of people went into the polling booths, they WEREN'T solely thinking about their own constituencies (they were thinking about what they wanted from the national government too), just as in 2020 people WON'T be thinking only about Brexit and nothing else when they go into the polling booth, as that YouGov question implies. This post has been edited by Danny: 6th December 2016, 01:52 PM |
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