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 23rd December 2016, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Dec 23 2016, 07:37 PM)  So why does he not say it? He's done fuck all media or public statements in the last few months. He makes Ed Miliband look dynamic. Those brussel sprouts and potatoes aren't going to harvest themselves, he's a busy man! Assuming he can stomach foodstuffs that sound suspiciously EU supporting..... |
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24th December 2016, 12:58 AM
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Most Sunday's when I watch the morning politics shows he's usually on one of them every other week - he also allocated the economic alternative to his chancellor McDonnell. It's a lazy throw back to say he doesn't do anything.
In terms of N.Ire of course Blair was one of those who helped bring about the GFA but to complain about JC meeting SF reps in the 80s is ridiculous and short sighted. It's also frankly annoying being Irish and listening to English people saying SF are terrorists - the same ANC terrorists who the British government refused to talk to in the 80s - my point being if you understood these conflicts (most of them caused by past British colonialism) you would realise that in order to find a solution you MUST speak to all those involved in the conflict. |
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24th December 2016, 01:00 AM
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Shakin Stevens
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Dec 23 2016, 07:37 PM) So why does he not say it? He's done fuck all media or public statements in the last few months. He makes Ed Miliband look dynamic. Anyway, I hope you're not kidding yourself that it's connecting in any way whatsoever with the public. I don't think you want his economic arguements to connect with the public on a personal level because you don't believe in them, hence why you have left the party. |
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24th December 2016, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Dec 24 2016, 01:58 AM) Most Sunday's when I watch the morning politics shows he's usually on one of them every other week - he also allocated the economic alternative to his chancellor McDonnell. It's a lazy throw back to say he doesn't do anything. In terms of N.Ire of course Blair was one of those who helped bring about the GFA but to complain about JC meeting SF reps in the 80s is ridiculous and short sighted. It's also frankly annoying being Irish and listening to English people saying SF are terrorists - the same ANC terrorists who the British government refused to talk to in the 80s - my point being if you understood these conflicts (most of them caused by past British colonialism) you would realise that in order to find a solution you MUST speak to all those involved in the conflict. Go Steve and go Corbyn!  Corbyn's policies are popular. The media attack dogs of the BBC and Muedoch Empire are what affect his popularity. |
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24th December 2016, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Dec 24 2016, 12:58 AM) Most Sunday's when I watch the morning politics shows he's usually on one of them every other week - he also allocated the economic alternative to his chancellor McDonnell. It's a lazy throw back to say he doesn't do anything. In terms of N.Ire of course Blair was one of those who helped bring about the GFA but to complain about JC meeting SF reps in the 80s is ridiculous and short sighted. It's also frankly annoying being Irish and listening to English people saying SF are terrorists - the same ANC terrorists who the British government refused to talk to in the 80s - my point being if you understood these conflicts (most of them caused by past British colonialism) you would realise that in order to find a solution you MUST speak to all those involved in the conflict. Hi Steve, I entirely agree about talking to all sides in disputes being a must, and both sides were as bad each other in N.I. I also agree about British colonialism, just look round the world and see the mess left behind by the invading British - in terms of local inhabitants, at least, not necessarily British immigrants (ironic some racist Brits hate immigrants when the UK has invaded and got rich on the backs of half the world, hypocrites!). I don't believe in violence though. Back in the day we were all bomb targets, (I spent one morning looking for IRA bombs in the workplace in Bournemouth - happily the ones they planted under the pier didn't go off) so, yes, I'm afraid I kinda take it personally - killing people who don't disagree with your basic rights is no way to win friends, or your arguments. Corbyn always seems to "forget" to condemn that sort of action, except when it's from the side he sees as not his. Maybe he DOES do a full days work, though that's not an impression he gives (eg going on holiday while the country's future was in the balance), but it is at least great news for comics for the next 4 years having the allotment thing to refer to, the gift that just keeps giving  |
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24th December 2016, 02:54 PM
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Yeh Fair enough we will always look at these things from different perspectives and both sides were as bad as each other in NI. It's terrible that bombs went off in England (and Europe for that matter) and I am very sorry for the innocents involved but tend to look at it with frustration of the obvious mistakes that were made to make sure the minority wasn't protected in 1921 or throughout the mid twentieth century. Also being a nationalist myself the obvious artificial and sectarian nature of the borders of the state which divided communities and destroyed the economy - these two thing mixed together were a recipe for disaster.
Have you read - War in an Irish Town? It's an award winning book on the troubles by Eamonn McCann and the part of that book which had the biggest impact on me was when in 1969 after a notorious civil rights march which went from Belfast to Derry and was attacked by the police and loyalists throughout - when the people got back to Derry they returned to their homes beaten and battered and that night the police went into the bogside (nationalist part of Derry) and started kicking doors in of people's houses and beating up those inside - a neighbour down the street saw what was happening and immediately went to phone the police - he was put through to Victoria RUC station in the centre of town and immediately realised the futility of what he was doing - the next day the barricades went up on the streets of the bogside to protect the people - and You Are Now Entering Free Derry was scrawled on the cable wall at its entrance. But I think JC tends to see the bigger picture and has been right about the bigger issues if you look at everything that has happened since the crash of 2008. This post has been edited by Steve201: 24th December 2016, 02:56 PM |
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25th December 2016, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Dec 24 2016, 12:58 AM) Most Sunday's when I watch the morning politics shows he's usually on one of them every other week - he also allocated the economic alternative to his chancellor McDonnell. It's a lazy throw back to say he doesn't do anything. Yes, being leader of the opposition involves slightly more than going on the Sundays. It's a running joke among journalists that the Labour Party leadership has barely anything to say most days of the week. There was actual shock that they had a press release out within an hour of Paul Nuttall's election as Ukip leader, because it was the first time in months the leader's office had shown basic levels of press competence in months. |
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25th December 2016, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Dec 24 2016, 01:00 AM) I don't think you want his economic arguements to connect with the public on a personal level because you don't believe in them, hence why you have left the party. Me leaving the party had barely a thing to do with Corbyn's economic arguments, as would be plain to anyone who read my reasons for leaving. |
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13th January 2017, 06:34 PM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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Labour face another potentially tough by-election, as ex-historian, former potential Labour leader and nun hater Tristram Hunt has resigned as MP for Stoke-on-Trent to work in a museum, following Jamie Reed out the door into respectable employment (and a pay rise of 200%). Although he had a 5,000 majority in the last election, his constituency backed Leave by 69% & Ukip finished 2nd, which could make things rather difficult when the writ is moved.
I wonder if there'll be many more resignations from MPs before the next general election who would risk losing their seat when the numbers in parliament are reduced to 600? That seems to be the trend at the moment. |
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15th January 2017, 02:53 PM
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I know a few Stokies who would, um, have UKIP-leaning tendencies.
They'd be way less inclined to vote for an Asian guy. Just sayin'. UKIP aren't doing themselves any favours with their candidate choice. edit: I mistakenly thought Tariq Mahmood was a confirmed candidate. This post has been edited by Harve: 15th January 2017, 02:54 PM |
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18th January 2017, 12:13 AM
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With Theresa's speech on brexit, could the conservatives win the Stoke-on-Trent seat? UKIP isn't really needed now a hard brexit looks on the cards and the conservatives weren't far behind UKIP in the previous election. Will be an interesting one to watch.
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18th January 2017, 02:46 PM
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Yeah, I think that will work in their favour and weaken UKIP's position. I seriously hope so, I can't be dealing with UKIP gaining another seat.
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18th January 2017, 04:12 PM
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I can't see how UKIP can win Labour 'heartland' seats in areas where the Tories aren't completely anaemic. One of the main effects of May's stance will be putting the Tories in a position to challenge lots of semi-safe Labour seats where the majority voted Leave. UKIP aren't the direct threat.
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18th January 2017, 04:49 PM
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FTR, if the Conservatives were to gain in either of the forthcoming by-elections - these would be the first gains of a governing party since the Mitcham and Morden by-election in June 1982.
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21st January 2017, 11:59 AM
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The Copeland and Stoke Central by-elections will be held on 23 February. Paul Nutjob is set to be the UKIP candidate in Stokt.
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21st January 2017, 02:36 PM
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OK, LIbdems...GO! Start campaigning hard and stuff the Hard Brexiters who are imposing what wasn't voted for
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21st January 2017, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jan 21 2017, 02:36 PM) OK, LIbdems...GO! Start campaigning hard and stuff the Hard Brexiters who are imposing what wasn't voted for From what I've read the Lib Dems are planning to concentrate their efforts on Stoke. |
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21st January 2017, 03:48 PM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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Paul Nuttall in Stoke is going to be interesting, as it will be the first real test for UKIP in its post-Farage, post-"having a better idea of what Brexit is going to entail", and given that its leader and best-known member bar Farage is standing there, then their success (or lack of) in this by-election will set the stage for whether UKIP continue as a going concern. If he wins the seat (which at the moment I'd say he has a 50:50 chance alongside the as-yet unannounced Labour candidate), then it will give them a 2nd wind and they'll make modest gains in the upcoming local elections. If however he doesn't win the seat (and even more so if he loses by a large margin), then I can see UKIP's vote slashed in the local elections, and could be the beginning of the end of the party's political relevance.
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21st January 2017, 04:09 PM
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This year's local elections (county councils) are a big test for UKIP. The same elections four years ago saw them make their first real impact in local elections.
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21st January 2017, 09:22 PM
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I'd make Labour slight favourites to win Stoke-on-Trent Central, but I could genuinely realistically see any of Labour/Ukip/Conservatives/Lib Dems taking it. Which is the first time I think that's ever been the case. I don't think Ukip will win though. What reason to vote Ukip is there over the Conservatives at the moment? Theresa May is showing no signs whatsoever of needing her feet held to the fire as far as hardcore Leave voters would be concerned.
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