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 24th February 2017, 10:41 AM
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Nah. Heard the words 'CCTV' in a party meeting and realised I couldn't deal with that much green pen in my life.
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24th February 2017, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Feb 24 2017, 11:41 AM)  Nah. Heard the words 'CCTV' in a party meeting and realised I couldn't deal with that much green pen in my life. Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by "green pen"? |
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24th February 2017, 10:55 AM
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DROTTNING!
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Feb 24 2017, 10:47 AM) Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by "green pen"? http://blog.tigerpens.co.uk/green-ink-the-...ics-and-spooks/ |
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24th February 2017, 10:56 AM
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I'm so lonely, I paid a hobo to spoon with me
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Feb 24 2017, 10:33 AM) Can't do it anymore. Rejoined Labour. 
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24th February 2017, 10:59 AM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Feb 24 2017, 11:55 AM) Ah, that explains a lot. Although one would have thought that the natural home for the majority of those sorts is the Green Party. |
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24th February 2017, 11:09 AM
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No getting it around it now, Corbyn needs to go. The electoral results in the first half of 2016 were not as bad as the media were presenting - now, they are as bad as presented, if not even worse. A 6.5% swing away from the opposition in a mid-term by-election is off-the-charts terrible -- the closest I can find in recent times was a 3% swing from the Tories to Labour in one of the early byelections in the first Blair government.
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24th February 2017, 11:09 AM
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DROTTNING!
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I think Lisa Nandy's good. She hits the tone right as well.
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24th February 2017, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(common sense @ Feb 24 2017, 09:41 AM) Corbyn should go as he's such a liability but he won't. Will he even go after they're crushed in 2020? Heard some Labour guy on Sky News saying they're well on course to form the next Government with Corbyn as PM in 2020 and nearly choked on my coffee with laughing. That claim is just as ridiculous as the Tory claims that William Hague would lead them to victory in 2001. It is the job of party spokespersons to talk up their party's electoral prospects even when they don't even believe it themselves. |
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24th February 2017, 01:47 PM
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Farage claiming that UKIP's failiure was because their message on immigration was 'too mainstream'.
If the Tories in 2017 are repeating what UKIP said in 2015, the latter will go full 'alt-right' for 2020. |
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24th February 2017, 02:53 PM
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It was mildly satisfying to see Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs roundly rejected in Stoke but the mood music up in Copeland of a new historic nadir for Labour post-1945 was most depressing.
QUOTE(Harve @ Feb 24 2017, 01:47 PM) Farage claiming that UKIP's failiure was because their message on immigration was 'too mainstream'. If the Tories in 2017 are repeating what UKIP said in 2015, the latter will go full 'alt-right' for 2020. He's deluded, it is primarily because with the UK now leaving the EU - his party/movement has no reason to exist and will return to the fringes of UK politics. |
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24th February 2017, 03:05 PM
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CCTV and Libdems? Has to be better (whatever it relates to) than the Corbyn and May joint effort to allow all UK citizens to be hacked by large numbers of non-national-security jobsworths on a whim....
The US and the UK are busily in the process of surrendering large parts of long-established democratic principles using long-established fascist techniques ("Enemies Of The People" spearheading the law, the press, dissenters, freedom of speech) and it's happening very fast. Putin took a good 3 years of sneaking about knocking them off one by one before anyone noticed democracy and freedom of speech had ended. There is no room for trivialities anymore, it's Big Issues only. In case anyone missed the headlines about the 10's of thousands of extra deaths likely partly-caused by the breakdown in UK social care support and disintegrating ambulance services (outside big urban areas). Corbyn is useless and he will go before the election as the Unions know a massive Tory majority means their own existence will be at risk from this very right-wing government. The sorry excuses coming forth today convince no-one. May gives the appearance of being competent using the Headmistress-Thatcher style. She is devious and does not have the JAMS in her heart. They are being fooled but it will take years and a wrecked economy to convince them. The KLF were down with JAMMS too and they also ended up burning shitloads of money to prove a point..but at least they had the excuse of Art. UKIP are irrelevant for as long as T. May runs the UK. That is all. |
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24th February 2017, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Feb 24 2017, 09:41 AM) Yeah cause Labour has done so much for the North East in the last CENTURY. They have. Believe me as someone from the north that when the greedy Tories are in living standarda here go down the toilet and poverty shoots up. Whenever Labour is in the change for the north is tangible. And remember the floods? When it happened in the south there was no expense spared. When it happened in Cumbria oh sorry no money spare! All they did was a shitty photo op ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BRIDGE grinning uncomfortably. They can f*** right off. If you had ever stepped foot up here you'd hear about just how people have sucfered under That her and Tory governments. When Thatcher closed the mines people LITERALLY had no food and relied on neighbours during the strikes. Don't condescend us about politics. We've lived Tory hardship first hand. They have no place here. Back to Eton with them. This post has been edited by Queen LeQueefa: 24th February 2017, 04:55 PM |
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24th February 2017, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(Queen LeQueefa @ Feb 24 2017, 04:54 PM) They have. Believe me as someone from the north that when the greedy Tories are in living standarda here go down the toilet and poverty shoots up. Whenever Labour is in the change for the north is tangible. And remember the floods? When it happened in the south there was no expense spared. When it happened in Cumbria oh sorry no money spare! All they did was a shitty photo op ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BRIDGE grinning uncomfortably. They can f*** right off. If you had ever stepped foot up here you'd hear about just how people have sucfered under That her and Tory governments. When Thatcher closed the mines people LITERALLY had no food and relied on neighbours during the strikes. Don't condescend us about politics. We've lived Tory hardship first hand. They have no place here. Back to Eton with them. Why are you still living in the past, and I don't know why you're instantly dismissive of Tory MPs that went to Eton when Labour are no different either, Labour is filled with Blairites and metropolitan elite MPs all living in London, far away from the North. And the current Conservative Prime Minister never went to Eton or was born into wealth, she's worked her way up in life. |
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24th February 2017, 05:43 PM
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Exactly.
Don't be surprised if the North joins Scotland one of these days. |
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24th February 2017, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(Queen LeQueefa @ Feb 24 2017, 05:43 PM) Exactly. Don't be surprised if the North joins Scotland one of these days. If the Conservatives can bring more prosperity in the North, I guarantee the Tories would dominate Westminster for a long, long time. |
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24th February 2017, 06:26 PM
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You do know it is a point of pride to say you have never voted Tory up here ... right??
They do not represent us, tbh they should stop campaigning. Their collusion with the police with Hillsborough sums up their disregard to people of the north. They favour big business over people and the establishment over the poor. I did not like voting Miliband but without an SNP alternative for now - and they are tooright wing forme - I grin and bear it. |
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24th February 2017, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Feb 24 2017, 05:25 PM) Why are you still living in the past, and I don't know why you're instantly dismissive of Tory MPs that went to Eton when Labour are no different either, Labour is filled with Blairites and metropolitan elite MPs all living in London, far away from the North. And the current Conservative Prime Minister never went to Eton or was born into wealth, she's worked her way up in life. Just when I decided not get caught up in futile responses on here, sigh... The past is inextricably linked to the present. You're an idiot if you don't see that. Thatcher set the banks free to become too big to fail, to lie with no control, and deceive everyone. Other countries followed suit in that moronic regulation. That has led us to the current misery. Consequences. Being informed on the past is supposed to help one avoid making the same mistakes in the present. Sadly idiot voters with no knowledge of history and gullibility fall for liars. These liars are ALWAYS rich. They end up getting much much richer. The Tories have traditionally been the party to look after the wealthy. They continue to do this. They have Offshore British territories to avoid tax and keep themselves all wealthy. Fact. Members of the government have offshore accounts. T. May is middle-class, and her views of the world are coloured by that background. Her husband, by the way, is an investment banker and she was introduced to him via Benazir Bhutto, so not exactly free from leg-ups to the elite. Labour Party MPs (and other parties, bar UKIP) from wealthy backgrounds are essentially rebelling against the injustices they grew up with and know about well, Tories are in the business of keeping them going. It's very simple. Like Mrs May, I also attended a Grammar School. I also attended poor rural primary schools (Lincolnshire), poor urban primary schools (Liverpool and Mansfield), a suburban one (Chesham) Secondary Moderns, Comprehensives and a College Of Education for teaching (or Uni as they call 'em now) so I think I have a pretty-rounded view of life and the types of people in society. For the first decade of my life we were piss-poor, poorer than anyone typically on benefits today. No central-heating. No car. No phone. No bath. No shower. No inside toilet. Heating depended on having the money to buy coal. Things improved in the 70's. Then in the 80's things got worse. Mass unemployment. Miners strikes. My grandad, dad and brother all worked down a coalmine for some of their working life. It ruins your health in old age, but when those are the only jobs going..... So, yes, all of that "living in the past" affects my life right here right now as I care for a mother with dementia, a brother who has to work despite ill-health, and a father who is more-or-less disabled following a heart-attack 2 years ago. At the same time I get the pleasure of enduring local government cutbacks (I effectively currently do 2-full-time jobs for less than the price of one and am desperate to retire so I can support myself while caring for others). Government-funded assistance for carers is bollocks. So, I too dwell on the past because it informs life now, and I've also had 50 years of watching what rich people do to poor people given half a heartless chance. And this current lot are taking up that challenge immediately, starting with making anything that passes through government illegal to be let into the public domain (proposed) both for whistle-blowers and the press, so they get perfect cover and protection for whatever they claim to be true for all of eternity. This is the most dangerous government of our lifetime, potentially. We've already seen the results of Thatcherism on the poor. The rich are even richer, of course, thanks to her. |
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27th February 2017, 08:52 PM
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There will be a by-election in Manchester Gorton following the death of Labour MP Gerald Kaufman. He won over 2/3rds of the vote last time with the Greens a very distant second on just under 10% so it should be a very easy Labour win. I suspect it will be held on the same day as the county elections, i.e. 4 May.
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27th February 2017, 08:57 PM
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I'd be shocked if Kaufman's replacement didn't win the constituency with over 50% of the vote, it will definitely be a predictable by-election, unlike the prior two.
He was the Father of The House before his passing. Scarily, we are only one Ken Clark-attack away from Dennis Skinner holding that role. If he does take on that mantle after the next election, well, let's just say that the swearing in of the Speaker will be very interesting indeed. |
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31st March 2017, 06:34 PM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Feb 27 2017, 09:57 PM) I'd be shocked if Kaufman's replacement didn't win the constituency with over 50% of the vote, it will definitely be a predictable by-election, unlike the prior two. Well, colour me wrong, as Assange apologist George Galloway's announced that he's running in Manchester Gorton. He has form in pulling off shock by-election victories over Labour (c.f Bradford West), and the constituency does have a high level of citizens of Asian origin (which was one of the reasons given for George Galloway's victory in Bradford West), and he has many things in common with the former holder of that seat (a hatred of Israel, for example), so he could be a dark horse. His vote to leave the EU could count against him though. |
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