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Brexit Update....Good or Bad for UK?
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sm1ffj View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 01:24 PM Post #1
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 27 December 2010 Posts: 1,928 User: 12,629	On the eve of the triggering of "Article 50" Do you think since the vote last year is Brexit going to be a good or bad thing for the UK. Has your views changed since last years vote. Was you for Brexit now against, or against brexit now for..


Rooney View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 03:25 PM Post #2
WINTER IS COMING Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 45,595 User: 88	I voted GOOD by total accident. I am of the complete opposite mentality. I don't know how this can be a good thing in the short term. Our currency has taken a heavy hit and there is going to be a major skills shortage in the UK. People can complain about EU / non-EU citizens coming and taking our jobs, but the fact is there are so many jobs that cannot be done by UK based people because the academic side is not covered in the UK. It's going to be an interesting time and certainly be bad for lots of major businesses (that bring in lots and lots of tax to the UK). We should be trying to forge closer links with Europe and not trying to break them. I'm really interested to see what happens, but cannot see many positives in it.


Silas View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 03:35 PM Post #3
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,069 User: 3,474	Bad. Very bad. Brexit is going to be fatal for the UK. The currency is f***ed and we're gonna start feeling the effects of that now that people's hedged positions are starting to dry up. Every day things will start to get 20% more expensive which will put the squeeze on those already struggling. I honestly don't see a way that this doesn't end up in a recession by the time we fully leave. Scotland is off, completely gone. Polls are already in the 49/51 region without any campaigning. They went from under 30 to 45% last time. A similar rise is unlikely but they won't have to do much to nudge it to 51%. May is entirely to blame for this. She is happy to bark on about the will of the people but won't respect the will of two of the four home nations. That's disastrous for the health of the UK. Depending on how bad the deal is for the UK and if there's no transition arrangements I can see a reunification of Ireland in our future too


Brett-Butler View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 04:12 PM Post #4
Howdy, disco citizens Joined: 16 January 2010 Posts: 12,775 User: 10,455	I voted remain last year, but since the vote to leave I've still had faith that the UK could still come out with a decent deal post-Brexit. However, the events of the past few months have given me little confidence that that is likely to happen, and coupled with the realities that are going to have to be dealt with in Northern Ireland in regards to the possibility of a hard border, I am back into the "BAD" category. The only way one feels that the UK will come out of this whole situation smelling of roses is if Brexit leads to the eventual dissolution of the entire European Union, then being the first out will put the UK at an advantage. Although that depends on how long it takes (if at all) for another country to flip its wig - if Le Pen gets in in France, I could see them coming out of the EU by the end of the year.


PeaceMob View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:05 PM Post #5
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 4 November 2014 Posts: 527 User: 21,342	Yawn! Remainers are still scaremongering , you do realise the campaigning is over and the UK WILL be leaving the EU. I'm not gonna bother listing all of the many positives about the UK being out of the EU because I'll be here all day, all I'll say is once the UK triggers Article 50 it won't be long before more and more British people really starts to discover the benefits of being a sovereign and independent country outside of the EU, for me personally I can't wait until the UK government gets a deal with Australia and New Zealand on freedom of movement between our countries. This post has been edited by PeaceMob: Mar 12 2017, 05:06 PM


Long Dong Silver View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:08 PM Post #6
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,030 User: 18,639	Lmao that is a myth. The commonwealth is not lining up to trade with a small island on the other side of the world which has no manufacutong. Sorry. Post Brexit England and Wales can sell weapons to ... Leas reputable ... regimes. That's about it. Mess.


PeaceMob View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:12 PM Post #7
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 4 November 2014 Posts: 527 User: 21,342	QUOTE(Peenus Fly Trap @ Mar 12 2017, 05:08 PM) Lmao that is a myth. The commonwealth is not lining up to trade with a small island on the other side of the world which has no manufacutong. Sorry. Post Brexit England and Wales can sell weapons to ... Leas reputable ... regimes. That's about it. Mess. Myth? There has literally just been a Commonwealth meeting in London that started a couple of days ago setting out plans on deals with the UK and the other Commonwealth nations. And freedom of movement between the UK, Australia and New Zealand is actually going to happen, obviously we need to be completely out of the EU first. This post has been edited by PeaceMob: Mar 12 2017, 05:23 PM


Long Dong Silver View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:22 PM Post #8
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,030 User: 18,639	Those plans were in motion from before Brexit... They are not a consequence thereof ... Also my generation is 80% and above FOR remaining. We will just join again when older voters have passed in the future ... Referendums like this should be decided by the young, who these decisions actually affect.


PeaceMob View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:35 PM Post #9
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 4 November 2014 Posts: 527 User: 21,342	QUOTE(Peenus Fly Trap @ Mar 12 2017, 05:22 PM) Those plans were in motion from before Brexit... They are not a consequence thereof ... Also my generation is 80% and above FOR remaining. We will just join again when older voters have passed in the future ... Referendums like this should be decided by the young, who these decisions actually affect. Now that's a lie, the reason the UK has this meeting with the Commonwealth is precisely because we are no longer straight jacketed by the EU and we are finally leaving it. As for rejoining, young people are fickle (I'd know I'm still in my 20's) and once my generation starts to see how much better it is for the UK to be outside of the EU, it'll be like admitting today that you actually voted for Tony Blair to be PM.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:40 PM Post #10
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,030 User: 18,639	Tony Blair was my favourite ever pm. I was too young to vote but he would have had it. Lifted the NE out of poverty for a LOT of people and reversed the money grabbing Tory waysnof outting the rich first. No. You are lying. The free movement with Canada and Australia was already on the agenda for yeaes. I read about it years ago. Of course your prized pigs would LOVE to make it seem like a post Brexit coup for the fake news believers like yourself, but no. Sorry.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:44 PM Post #11
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,030 User: 18,639	Also the UK was impoverished before the EU lol. And the UK will not even exist after the eu. Thanks a lot. Douche. And your slender overall victory and ignoring of NI and Scottish votes means the issue is not closed. 2 parts of UK voted to stay. Leaving means they leave the UK. Well done. First UK leaves the EU. Next it gets its UN security council seat taken. Next it becomes a marginal 'power'. Later it becomes no more powerful than Italy or Greece, with the memory of it being relevant a long time ago. A tiny island in a globalised world is maeginal. Take away NI and Scotland and a part of a tiny island becomes provincial.


PeaceMob View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:47 PM Post #12
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 4 November 2014 Posts: 527 User: 21,342	QUOTE(Peenus Fly Trap @ Mar 12 2017, 05:40 PM) Tony Blair was my favourite ever pm. I was too young to vote but he would have had it. Lifted the NE out of poverty for a LOT of people and reversed the money grabbing Tory waysnof outting the rich first. No. You are lying. The free movement with Canada and Australia was already on the agenda for yeaes. I read about it years ago. Of course your prized pigs would LOVE to make it seem like a post Brexit coup for the fake news believers like yourself, but no. Sorry. This is classic, Um, freedom of movement with countries like Canada and Australia is IMPOSSIBLE if the UK is still a member of the EU. And Tony Blair being your favourite ever PM explains everything, arguably the most hated man in the country, that's why he has police protection at all times paid for by the taxpayers of course. This post has been edited by PeaceMob: Mar 12 2017, 05:51 PM


Long Dong Silver View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:52 PM Post #13
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,030 User: 18,639	He is not hated in the north. At all. Quite the opposite. If Tory leaders luved up here they would need the protection just as Tony does down south. This is not brain surgergy. Tax payer expense? Uum like the Tories privatising the NhS lucrative areas and investing in said private companies and then leaving the nHS to pick up the cost following the botched privatised care? Again. Look it up. It was on the cards LONG before Brexit you cretin.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 05:58 PM Post #14
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,030 User: 18,639	Btw, the only vote people will regret in future, excepr from votimg for Brexit, which many already regret, will be voting for that slimeball reality tv star with a mental capacity of a 5 year old. Also, if Brexit was about immigration ... why then praise a deal to increase immigration again? Jesus christ.


Rooney View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 06:06 PM Post #15
WINTER IS COMING Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 45,595 User: 88	QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Mar 12 2017, 05:47 PM) This is classic, Um, freedom of movement with countries like Canada and Australia is IMPOSSIBLE if the UK is still a member of the EU. And Tony Blair being your favourite ever PM explains everything, arguably the most hated man in the country, that's why he has police protection at all times paid for by the taxpayers of course. What great skills do Australians, Canadians and NZers offer? I'm genuinely interested. If any country is going to be a real success to the England and that country is India. I struggle to understand and see why free movement of people is better between the Commonwealth compared to the EU because it's not. The EU is a massive hub. Brexit is happening, but we have been pushed in to a hard Brexit because going for a soft Brexit would be literally pointless. You end up with the same product just with none of the benefits. I have an open mind so I'm willing to see what happens still, but unless the EU collapses then we're going to struggle for a good 5-10 years unless our currency dives back up.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 06:09 PM Post #16
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,030 User: 18,639	Imagine the Tory cuts post Brexit! Doesn't bare thinking about.


PeaceMob View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 07:05 PM Post #17
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 4 November 2014 Posts: 527 User: 21,342	QUOTE(Rooney @ Mar 12 2017, 06:06 PM) What great skills do Australians, Canadians and NZers offer? I'm genuinely interested. If any country is going to be a real success to the England and that country is India. I struggle to understand and see why free movement of people is better between the Commonwealth compared to the EU because it's not. The EU is a massive hub. Brexit is happening, but we have been pushed in to a hard Brexit because going for a soft Brexit would be literally pointless. You end up with the same product just with none of the benefits. I have an open mind so I'm willing to see what happens still, but unless the EU collapses then we're going to struggle for a good 5-10 years unless our currency dives back up. Are you British? If you are then I'm really surprised that you would say freedom of movement with the EU is better than one with the Commonwealth. I've got relatives who live in Australia and New Zealand, the opportunity to make it easier for me to visit them and possibly stay and work there is HUGE for me, if you look at the facts more British people have moved to live in Commonwealth countries than EU countries despite the UK currently being a member of the EU. Also by a long way I feel more culturally familiar to the Commonwealth than I ever do about being "European".


Long Dong Silver View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 07:20 PM Post #18
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,030 User: 18,639	But you ARE European ... UK is an indivisible part of Europe culturally and geographically...


Rooney View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 07:42 PM Post #19
WINTER IS COMING Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 45,595 User: 88	QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Mar 12 2017, 07:05 PM) Are you British? If you are then I'm really surprised that you would say freedom of movement with the EU is better than one with the Commonwealth. I've got relatives who live in Australia and New Zealand, the opportunity to make it easier for me to visit them and possibly stay and work there is HUGE for me, if you look at the facts more British people have moved to live in Commonwealth countries than EU countries despite the UK currently being a member of the EU. Also by a long way I feel more culturally familiar to the Commonwealth than I ever do about being "European". Yes I am British, but Europe is on our doorstep, Australia and NZ are 24 hours away. Getting a visa is strict in Aus especially, but they have their reasons. When people mention Commonwealth, they are of course thinking about NZ, Australia and Canada. ! All good countries, but with tiny populations I guess you're forgetting about India, Bangladesh, South Africa, Kenya etc. ! Sure we can trade with them, but there is less 'skilled workers'. I see your logic, but I don't get it. My biggest concern is the economy. There is going to be a real shortage of skilled workers and it will take 15-20 years for the level of talent to be anywhere near the level of some of the EU countries.


Envoirment View member profile	Mar 12 2017, 09:32 PM Post #20
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 21 November 2009 Posts: 8,541 User: 10,030	No idea. Still way too much uncertainty in regards to what the UK will be like post-brexit. The UK economy has done pretty well since the vote. And if we secure a reasonable deal in regards to trading with the EU, I can see brexit being a success in regards to the economy. If we leave with no deal, then the economy may have a difficult time in the first few years after the brexit process. I'm hopeful the rights of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU will be safeguarded as soon as possible - there's been a lot of grief caused by the vote to many people. Exiting the EU may be a good thing if the EU starts to crumble over the next few years. There's a lot of pressures both economically and politically on the EU at the moment. Unfortunately there's the issue of a hard border in Northern Ireland. Basically way too many things going on at the moment to really assess whether it'll be good or bad. I don't think it'll be as bad, or as good, as the extremes on both sides are saying.