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 25th March 2017, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Mar 25 2017, 12:39 PM)  the BBC will be VERY bothered by it, since they broadcast the farce under the banner "Singles" chart. Oddly they don't broadcast an album chart and play album tracks...... They did use to, until as recently as 2007 on Radio 2. They had the Album Chart Show on Monday evenings with Simon Mayo. They should bring it back! TBH the floodgates are so wide open now with this since they bought in streaming, it's impossible to go back to how it was. I'd love for the chart to be fast moving again and consist of 14-15 new entries a week and for singles to still matter, but it's never gonna happen again, because it's not realistic. It's not 1999 anymore. I do agree with what people have been saying though, make sure it's only paid streams that count, because that would change things greatly in terms of kudos to bring it in line with every other format that's chart eligible. |
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25th March 2017, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(ThePensmith @ Mar 25 2017, 05:52 PM) They did use to, until as recently as 2007 on Radio 2. They had the Album Chart Show on Monday evenings with Simon Mayo. They should bring it back! TBH the floodgates are so wide open now with this since they bought in streaming, it's impossible to go back to how it was. I'd love for the chart to be fast moving again and consist of 14-15 new entries a week . That's what we've had - unfortunately they've been all by one artist...  |
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25th March 2017, 05:56 PM
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Kendrick's album will have twice as much impact than The Chainsmokers' on streaming I'd think.
His last album had the following make the top 100: 57 NE 01 Kendrick Lamar ~ Untitled 02 - 06.23.2014 67 NE 01 Kendrick Lamar ~ Untitled 03 - 05.28.2013 87 NE 01 Kendrick Lamar ~ Untitled 01 - 08.19.2014 93 NE 01 Kendrick Lamar ~ Untitled 07 - 2014-2016 and that was just a B-sides album As for his last proper album: 56 N 1 Kendrick Lamar King Kunta 76 N 1 Kendrick Lamar feat. George Clinton and Thundercat Wesley's Theory 77 N 1 Kendrick Lamar feat. Bilal, Anna Wise and Thundercat These Walls 83 N 1 Kendrick Lamar The Blacker The Berry 88 R 5 Kendrick Lamar i 92 N 1 Kendrick Lamar feat. Bilal, Anna Wise and Snoop Dogg Institutionalized and that was 2 years ago when streaming wasn't half as big. |
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25th March 2017, 06:00 PM
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Yeah Kendrick is very big now - I'd expect the main track off the album (the token big collab that gets pushed as a single) to challenge for top 10 tbh.
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25th March 2017, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(mdh @ Mar 25 2017, 05:47 PM) Realistically, there'll probably be 3 album tracks maximum from The Chainsmokers and maybe 5-7 from Kendrick  The Chainsmokers are bigger in the singles chart than Kendrick, but I can see how Kendrick would have more keen fans than The Chainsmokers (mostly as he is a solo artist). |
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25th March 2017, 06:47 PM
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The Chainsmokers won't make much impact on the singles chart at all I expect...
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25th March 2017, 09:37 PM
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I agree the charts are a farce. They should either get streaming out of the singles chart, increase the ratio again or create an album tracks chart
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25th March 2017, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(Hadji @ Mar 25 2017, 09:37 PM) I agree the charts are a farce. They should either get streaming out of the singles chart, increase the ratio again or create an album tracks chart 1) getting streaming out of the singles chart will achieve nothing, there is no point to excluding streaming when it is responsible for nearly 90% of singles sales. 2) increasing the ratio will achieve nothing but arbitrarily decreasing singles sales, seeing as streaming is so dominant now. It wouldn't surprise me if it got reduced to 1:200 soon, but all that will do is let the album tracks still chart but one or two places lower than they would have. what needs to happen is a singles chart needs to be maintained where people's streams of entire albums do not count towards it. If I stream 50% or more of Drake's album in a day those streams should count towards the albums chart, not the singles. |
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26th March 2017, 05:36 AM
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They've had the very Tunnocks, Mary
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Mar 25 2017, 06:55 PM) That's what we've had - unfortunately they've been all by one artist... OK I should probably rephrase that I meant 14-15 new entries by different artists!What DanG just said is spot on - ensure streams of 50% or more of an album count for the album chart, not the singles chart. |
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26th March 2017, 08:11 AM
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I just wonder how TOTP's would have handled this?
I might have put down my thoughts on the chart, but sadly, I don't think I can be bothered. I used to find it so much fun. Now I just mostly switch off. |
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26th March 2017, 08:21 AM
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Ah, I've found the off switch
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27th March 2017, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Mar 25 2017, 11:15 PM) what needs to happen is a singles chart needs to be maintained where people's streams of entire albums do not count towards it. If I stream 50% or more of Drake's album in a day those streams should count towards the albums chart, not the singles. QUOTE(ThePensmith @ Mar 26 2017, 06:36 AM) What DanG just said is spot on - ensure streams of 50% or more of an album count for the album chart, not the singles chart. It's not technically possible for the moment apparently... But it hope it does become possible soon though. This might very well be the only viable solution to try and save the singles chart as we've always known them. |
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27th March 2017, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(Mirai @ Mar 27 2017, 11:49 PM) It's not technically possible for the moment apparently... But it hope it does become possible soon though. This might very well be the only viable solution to try and save the singles chart as we've always known them. It's very simple as long as they collect the relevant data. I find it hard to believe the streaming sites don't have that data already. |
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27th March 2017, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Mar 28 2017, 01:00 AM) It's very simple as long as they collect the relevant data. I find it hard to believe the streaming sites don't have that data already. I find it hard to believe too but so far this is what has been replied each time someone's been asking this question on another forum (in French, called Charts In France). I wanted to add a link to an article that was posted on a serious website dealing with the music business but it's not working since I am under 20 messages posted here so far. While this article doesn't provide any clear solution to the singles chart issue, it seems to hint that it is not impossible to determine whether a song gets played as part of an album or individually... I'm getting confused now! (the article can be found on the musically.com website, in the news section, it was posted on March 13th) This post has been edited by Mirai: 27th March 2017, 11:12 PM |
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28th March 2017, 12:05 AM
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^^ I think this is the article you're referring to, yeah? It doesn't really suggest one way or the other whether it's possible to split individual track plays from full album plays.
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28th March 2017, 06:14 AM
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pretty sure they are able to split them in scandinavian countries
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28th March 2017, 07:26 AM
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QUOTE(Mirai @ Mar 28 2017, 06:49 AM) It's not technically possible for the moment apparently... But it hope it does become possible soon though. This might very well be the only viable solution to try and save the singles chart as we've always known them. I believe the chart compiler in Nordic/Scandinavian countries are able to determine and split the streaming figures. So it shouldn't be hard for OCC (and other chart compiler) to implement the terminology by default. |
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28th March 2017, 08:48 AM
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I know people think that most are just listening to the album, and whilst that may be true on Day 1 - the majority of 'listens' are actually from the Top 50 playlist so this wouldn't solve anything. Especially as artists like Drake actually release playlists which consist of many, many tracks.
My proposed '>10% contribution from paid-for sales or song is excluded' rule would be much more effective. |
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28th March 2017, 09:04 AM
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Maybe if Spotify have a top 50 excluding the album tracks that might help the actual singles get more streams?
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28th March 2017, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Mar 28 2017, 09:48 AM) My proposed '>10% contribution from paid-for sales or song is excluded' rule would be much more effective. It could throw up some bizarre anomalies though. Take Ed's What Do I Know for example...I don't know what percentage breakdown it had on sales/streams last week but assuming it was 9%/91% and then suddenly its Comic Relief promo pushed its sales total back up above 10%, you'd keep getting weird high re-entries for album tracks every time they were played as a soundbed on TV or whatever (as going by your model I'm assuming the stream sales would be counted officially for that week's chart too as soon as a song went back over 10% paid-for sales). I do think the Scandinavian model is the most effective personally, I don't know exactly how they divide the data between 'single track' streams and album play streams, but it seems to work. Zara Larsson's entire album was top 50 on Sweden's Spotify for most of the week last week yet if you look at the official chart she has album track new entries at 7, 19, 26, 31, 36 and 46. These tracks have made it in I presume through single track listens rather than as part of an album play, and is therefore way more representative of what people are actually connecting with and going back to listen to. This post has been edited by gooddelta: 28th March 2017, 09:14 AM |
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