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post 30th March 2017, 09:15 AM
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Happy to see Julia Michaels in the top 20. It should be top 10 officially next week! wub.gif

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post 30th March 2017, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(danG @ Mar 29 2017, 09:34 AM) *
Even Calvin Harris is changing to mid-tempo dance now. 'Slide' and 'Heatstroke' (his upcoming release) are both mid-tempo and RnB influenced. I think he's realised trends are changing and so won't be releasing club bangers for a while.


The thing is though, some of these poppier or more danceable tracks are actually doing really well. There's a reason why Clean Bandit are so successful - they do proper pop songs with a good beat behind them. I think that's what people really want yet not enough people are making them.
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post 30th March 2017, 11:34 AM
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Clean Bandit aren't exactly making club banger music though, it's mostly uptempo yes but as you say it's more dancepop than anything.
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post 30th March 2017, 12:28 PM
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Exactly. If enough artists actually made different stuff it'd break this quagmire we're in.

I was (am?) hoping 'You Don't Know Me' being a big hit might shake things up a bit.
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post 30th March 2017, 12:39 PM
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I think there are signs that things are finally starting to change. I mean the likes of Galway Girl and Green Light stand out as not really fitting in with everything else, and even Issues has quite a different sort of structure and pace to anything else around.

But I do agree with the above, if just one or two superstar artists would just stop trying mindlessly to get Spotify hits with the same old inoffensive tropical/future bass type thing and actually attempt to make something a bit daring or different then we can finally find a way out of this monotonous cycle. All it ever takes for genre cycles to be broken usually is for somebody (usually a big established star) to break the mould a bit, have a smash, and then others usually follow their lead.

I mean I'm still praying for Bieber to come back with a trance record... laugh.gif

I should add to the above though, I'm not saying I'm expecting Ed to have kicked off an Irish jig trend here, he's really the only artist around right now that could pull that off, as his star is so bright at the moment that he could smash with any genre.


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post 30th March 2017, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(gooddelta @ Mar 30 2017, 12:39 PM) *
I mean I'm still praying for Bieber to come back with a trance record... laugh.gif


Haha that'd be great!
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post 30th March 2017, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(mr_pmt @ Mar 30 2017, 12:28 PM) *
Exactly. If enough artists actually made different stuff it'd break this quagmire we're in.

I was (am?) hoping 'You Don't Know Me' being a big hit might shake things up a bit.


I think any change in sound has to come from less renowned artists (like Jax Jones was) before more pop established names like Calvin Harris and Clean Bandit follow suit. Pop trends take influence from underground hits crossing over.
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post 30th March 2017, 12:53 PM
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Yeah, I think there's less variety in the charts right now than ever before, which is why it's refreshing when songs like Galway Girl and Issues become hits.
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post 30th March 2017, 01:57 PM
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I definitely hope we get some new trends! At least tropical house was good for a while, future bass has the odd good song but it's just such a dull and repetitve trend. It's encouraging that songs like Issues and Green Light are currently top 10, amongst the bloody Chainsmokers and their wretched influence laugh.gif It just shows people will listen to and enjoy songs that are different, hopefully more established artists experiment a bit more with stuff like that instead of following trends.

I'd be more than happy for a You Don't Know Me sort of trend, one of the best recent dance songs <3
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post 30th March 2017, 02:36 PM
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I wonder if part of the problem is that Spotify has made it so easy to inundate yourself with just the genre of music you want, that people are naturally gravitating towards playlist in such proportion that the charts are always filled with slightly shifting proportions of pop, dance & rap. In addition to that, there's a feeling that anything too radical will be rejected because of the nature of streaming. In a sales environment, someone might only partake in the 10% of singles in the chart at the time that particularly struck their fancy, but with streaming, it could be more like the 90% that they tolerate, leaving that 10% being effectively pushed *down* the chart. All of a sudden, oddities that might have risen to the top for standing out, could be punished for doing the same thing.

Agree with the above that it takes a big artist making a stand for a real change to emerge, but even then it's not easy. Not convinced that a wave of songs that sound like "Castle On The Hill" or "Galway Girl" are coming to take the charts by storm, but maybe it could be so?
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post 30th March 2017, 02:51 PM
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I like the Julia Michaels song. However, I think it could do with a slight remix or something, coz it feels a little too empty for me to fully get on board with it. It's nice enough as it is I guess and I guess that's part of the appeal to some people, but for me it feels like it's lacking some kind of kick to switch it up a gear, to go from "good" to "great".
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post 30th March 2017, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Dircadirca @ Mar 30 2017, 03:36 PM) *
Agree with the above that it takes a big artist making a stand for a real change to emerge, but even then it's not easy. Not convinced that a wave of songs that sound like "Castle On The Hill" or "Galway Girl" are coming to take the charts by storm, but maybe it could be so?

A bit more guitar based music in the chart would be most welcome, but I doubt it will happen any time soon!

QUOTE(Jonjo @ Mar 30 2017, 03:51 PM) *
I like the Julia Michaels song. However, I think it could do with a slight remix or something, coz it feels a little too empty for me to fully get on board with it. It's nice enough as it is I guess and I guess that's part of the appeal to some people, but for me it feels like it's lacking some kind of kick to switch it up a gear, to go from "good" to "great".

I'm sure there must be some remixes of the song doing the rounds?
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post 30th March 2017, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(M4NG0 @ Mar 29 2017, 10:10 AM) *
Yeah that was actually my whole point (though I probably didn't word it very well) - that uptempo dance doesn't seem to do as well these days (with Jax Jones, like you say, being an exception along with Calvin Harris). I think that's the reason acts like Galantis and Sigala are struggling to get big hits like they used to. Disciples would also have been bigger if they'd been releasing their current stuff a couple of years ago. Let's hope Calvin restores order with a big club banger soon!


The Jax Jones one is still very minimal, it isn't that lively really in terms of the history of dance, although by modern chart dance standards it is.

Cloudbusting - Just Us is quite uptempo by modern dance standards however, the Everytime It Rains version was more uptempo, almost up to the lively standards of Tears by Clean Bandit last year in terms of their genre of orchestral house. When they took out the original euphoric climax it became more chilled.

It really is overall a terrible time for chart dance I think. Most of it is very watered down and poppy.


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post 30th March 2017, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(Вuzzjack @ Mar 30 2017, 04:50 PM) *
The Jax Jones one is still very minimal, it isn't that lively really in terms of the history of dance, although by modern chart dance standards it is.

Cloudbusting - Just Us is quite uptempo by modern dance standards however, the Everytime It Rains version was more uptempo, almost up to the lively standards of Tears by Clean Bandit last year in terms of their genre of orchestral house. When they took out the original euphoric climax it became more chilled.

It really is overall a terrible time for chart dance I think. Most of it is very watered down and poppy.


Can you PLEASE for the love of almighty GOD find another word to use other than "lively". pirate.gif
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post 30th March 2017, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Mar 30 2017, 12:34 PM) *
Clean Bandit aren't exactly making club banger music though, it's mostly uptempo yes but as you say it's more dancepop than anything.


Tears was an orchestral house tune to rival some in the early/mid 00s from the likes of Moloko, Spiller, The Shapeshifters, Freemasons etc. for uptemponess, but Symphony is definitely more chilled unfortunately, although I still do like Symphony.

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Can you PLEASE for the love of almighty GOD find another word to use other than "lively".


Uptemponess then biggrin.gif....what's wrong with using the word 'lively' though? ohmy.gif


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post 30th March 2017, 04:04 PM
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Dircadirca wrote:
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I wonder if part of the problem is that Spotify has made it so easy to inundate yourself with just the genre of music you want, that people are naturally gravitating towards playlist in such proportion that the charts are always filled with slightly shifting proportions of pop, dance & rap. In addition to that, there's a feeling that anything too radical will be rejected because of the nature of streaming. In a sales environment, someone might only partake in the 10% of singles in the chart at the time that particularly struck their fancy, but with streaming, it could be more like the 90% that they tolerate, leaving that 10% being effectively pushed *down* the chart. All of a sudden, oddities that might have risen to the top for standing out, could be punished for doing the same thing.


Amen to what you wrote!


I think 2017 is the most momentous moment (that's three m words in a row! biggrin.gif ) in modern chart history. We're seeing both Spotify and the OCC chart morphing into album track charts. I think it's the most dismal time in chart history but hey, you can't live in the past blah blah blah but overall streaming has sucked the life out of the chart. The more streaming tracks available, the less variety in the streaming chart. A wonderful irony. And if you think the Spotify chart is bad, wait until this December when Ed Snoozeran and Drake release their rap/R&B version of White Christmas! laugh.gif


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post 30th March 2017, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(soundman @ Mar 30 2017, 05:04 PM) *
And if you think the Spotify chart is bad, wait until this December when Ed Snoozeran and Drake release their rap/R&B version of White Christmas! laugh.gif
I know you're joking, but I really think it's possible that we have a top 40 singles chart filled almost entirely of Christmas songs this year, due to streaming. Barely any new songs will get a look in the charts during December because of this.

We could potentially be seeing songs like 'Feliz Navidad', 'Jingle Bell Rock' and 'Sleigh Ride' enter the top 40 for the first time ever laugh.gif
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post 30th March 2017, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(Вuzzjack @ Mar 30 2017, 05:01 PM) *
what's wrong with using the word 'lively' though? ohmy.gif


Do you know how many times you've used it? It's getting tedious.
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post 30th March 2017, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(Liаm @ Mar 30 2017, 02:57 PM) *
I'd be more than happy for a You Don't Know Me sort of trend, one of the best recent dance songs <3


You Don't Know Me is just a standard minimal bassline house song though, we need something more radical than minimal house, we have had that for the last 4 years in the form of deep and tropical. An 00s dance revival (trance, funky house or UK Garage) would be more welcome imo. Or at least some less minimal dance music coming back to the charts.
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post 30th March 2017, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Mar 30 2017, 12:34 PM) *
Clean Bandit aren't exactly making club banger music though, it's mostly uptempo yes but as you say it's more dancepop than anything.

Tears is a club banger once it gets going! Symphony too to an extent.

Rockabye is a pop song!

Starting to feel like 'Buzzjack' ��


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