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23rd May 2017, 10:06 AM
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Paul Hyett
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You seem to say that as if you wish the EU explodes after the Brexit... Well, I'm come across some Remainers who've expressed a wish that Britain 'explodes' after Brexit. Let's just say I hope our exit provides an incentive to reform... QUOTE The EU will get over it and we'll come out stronger because we know what the EU was first built on : peace and the ambition to gather countries together. If you can't understand that, get your money, get as isolated as you want, and stop bothering us. What happens in the EU is none of your business anymore, so stop speculating about our future, thank you. That statement seems rather acrimonious. BTW, I notice you sidestepped the other part of my post, re quantifying the supposed benefits that Britain got from EU membership... This post has been edited by vidcapper: 23rd May 2017, 10:07 AM |
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23rd May 2017, 10:26 AM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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Pay what you have to pay whatsoever but LEAVE NOW. Media here don't even talk about Brexit anymore, it's like you're already gone and forgotten. We have a strong new EU to build and I feel like Macron-Merkel could achieve this. So we don't need to bear the Brexit burden forever. I cried over the Brexit referendum but now I'm confident we'll be better off without you so take your money and leave for good. (And obviously this isn't aimed directly at anyone on this forum, it's just a general thought on the matter ) Oh I can't wait until the UK officially leaves the ridiculous EU. The EU are the isolated ones not the UK once we're out. |
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23rd May 2017, 10:41 AM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Uum ho so??
No country is lining up to trade with the UK. Maybe North Korea ... Turkey ... Iran for the arms trade. That's about it. A continent vs an island and with huge countries lining up to trade with said continent. A continent which has free movement. Hmm. Now which side is gonna be isolated and confined to half an island ... This post has been edited by Yeasty Clutch: 23rd May 2017, 10:41 AM |
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23rd May 2017, 10:54 AM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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Uum ho so?? No country is lining up to trade with the UK. Maybe North Korea ... Turkey ... Iran for the arms trade. That's about it. A continent vs an island and with huge countries lining up to trade with said continent. A continent which has free movement. Hmm. Now which side is gonna be isolated and confined to half an island ... So what does that make the country Iceland? They're not in the EU, they're an island with the same population size as the city of Leicester AND they have managed to do a free trade deal with China but the EU hasn't. Just STOP with this constant talking down of the UK, I've been to many countries around the world and you should be so, so, grateful that you live in the UK. This post has been edited by PeaceMob: 23rd May 2017, 10:55 AM |
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23rd May 2017, 10:58 AM
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Paul Hyett
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23rd May 2017, 10:58 AM
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Buffy/Charmed
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And which country does that trade deal benefit most annnd just HOW long did it take? What services are included? The EU has SO MUCH more to offer than the teeny tiny UK.
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23rd May 2017, 10:59 AM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Honestly the posts from both of you just blend into one
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23rd May 2017, 11:01 AM
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Paul Hyett
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And which country does that trade deal benefit most annnd just HOW long did it take? What services are included? The EU has SO MUCH more to offer than the teeny tiny UK. Ever heard of the British Commonweath? Plenty of countries there to trade with - and of the others, the most important one of all - the USA! |
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23rd May 2017, 11:24 AM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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23rd May 2017, 11:33 AM
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Cœur poids plume
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The state of this thread.
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23rd May 2017, 11:46 AM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Ever heard of the British Commonweath? Plenty of countries there to trade with - and of the others, the most important one of all - the USA! USA wants the NHS, not jam and crumpets. It has already said it would get everything it could from the UK. It has also said the island is not a priority. The priority is a deal with the EU. India laughed at the offer of jam and crumpets. It sent Mad May packin. |
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23rd May 2017, 11:55 AM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Commonwealth countries are not lining up to trade with us. They can trade with the EU (a much bigger market). Thaty's not the issue - the issue is what have WE got that they want. Our farming industry is under major threat form losing subsiides and foreign workers who keep it going (so a huge risk of being forecd to import expensive food substitutes). Stick your head in the sand all you want you anti-EU folk (our close neighbours and friends are not enemies - countries like saudi arabia & weapons purchasing countries are not the sort of deals we want, yet that seems to be the total list of countries so far that want to do deals)
Nobody on here has offered specific reasons that the EU is a bad idea, just general flag-waving nonsense - bear in mind all EU laws will become UK laws until TOries decide which ones they don't want - probably health& safety & workers rights legislation. As for what we gain from the Eu vs what it costs, I would have thought the sorry state of the UK economy in the 60's and 70's, vs since, was a pretty good area of proof. However, the CBI, who should know these things had this to say a couple of years ago. 0.4% of UK cash goes TO the EU, everything else is pure profit over and above that. There's a thing called "google", it's a marvellous invention, and you can find any facts you want to. Maybe try it sometime? That applies for providing facts to back up opinions, anti-EU too. Good luck with that one though..... http://www.cbi.org.uk/insight-and-analysis...outweigh-costs/ |
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23rd May 2017, 12:03 PM
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Who's Daniel btw ?
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I find that it's the only way you can talk to these EU fanatics. Referring to "these EU fanatics" while talking about two people who ARE in the actual conversation. It sums up perfectly how well mannered and educated the pro-Brexit people are. Just a bunch of racist and isolated people who would have happily rooted for any populist and nationalist dictator back in the days. Free Europe is clearly better off without you. |
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23rd May 2017, 02:43 PM
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Paul Hyett
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Referring to "these EU fanatics" while talking about two people who ARE in the actual conversation. It sums up perfectly how well mannered and educated the pro-Brexit people are. Just a bunch of racist and isolated people who would have happily rooted for any populist and nationalist dictator back in the days. Free Europe is clearly better off without you. Oh, the irony - you condemn pro-Brexit people for referring to Remainers as 'EU fanatics' [which I personally do not, as I must point out], then perpetuate the lie that Leavers are all racist... |
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23rd May 2017, 04:43 PM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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Referring to "these EU fanatics" while talking about two people who ARE in the actual conversation. It sums up perfectly how well mannered and educated the pro-Brexit people are. Just a bunch of racist and isolated people who would have happily rooted for any populist and nationalist dictator back in the days. Free Europe is clearly better off without you. No, the UK is better off without the EU. Love Europe, hate the EU. |
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23rd May 2017, 08:33 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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No clue over how much should be paid.
We should pay for our spending commitments and such up until the leave date, which is presumably March 2019. But the UK's EU assets should also be taken into account and deducted from the overall bill to be paid. I believe the UK has £15 billion+ worth of EU assests which'll need to be sold/exchanged with the EU. Hopefully a reasonable and fully costed bill, including assets, can be made. |
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24th May 2017, 06:04 AM
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Paul Hyett
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No, the UK is better off without the EU. Love Europe, hate the EU. Yes, that is a crucial point that too often gets missed. An analogy would be liking an individual politician but disliking the party they represent - the former is what allows them to build up personal votes though being a good constituency MP. |
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2nd June 2017, 06:57 AM
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Paul Hyett
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A thought occurred - if Labour were to win the election, wouldn't having to pay a large Brexit settlement to the EU, rather f*** up their spending plans?
OTOH, if they've made contingency plans for this, how large a settlement do those plans allow for? |
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2nd June 2017, 07:13 AM
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BuzzJack Legend
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A thought occurred - if Labour were to win the election, wouldn't having to pay a large Brexit settlement to the EU, rather f*** up their spending plans? OTOH, if they've made contingency plans for this, how large a settlement do those plans allow for? it will come from the same magic place as the Tories Brexit settlement which makes no account of lost revenue from dwindling business taxes, dwindling death benefits as they gift rich property owners (while hitting poorer dementia sufferers), less tax from less spending - dont forget all those lovely young immigrants pay taxes and buy goods, thats what has been keeping the economy bouyant. None of this has been costed by Mrs Maybe, who is doing her fullest to avoid being asked difficult questions she cant answer - she's basically just admitted they wont achive their immigrant target by 2022 using the same excuse theyve used since 2009 ("it's complicated" - which it is. Very.) So 13 years in power and Brexit and still no immigrant reductions of consequence. Ever felt fooled...? |
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2nd June 2017, 08:05 AM
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Paul Hyett
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it will come from the same magic place as the Tories Brexit settlement which makes no account of lost revenue from dwindling business taxes, dwindling death benefits as they gift rich property owners (while hitting poorer dementia sufferers), less tax from less spending - dont forget all those lovely young immigrants pay taxes and buy goods, thats what has been keeping the economy bouyant. None of this has been costed by Mrs Maybe, who is doing her fullest to avoid being asked difficult questions she cant answer - she's basically just admitted they wont achive their immigrant target by 2022 using the same excuse theyve used since 2009 ("it's complicated" - which it is. Very.) So 13 years in power and Brexit and still no immigrant reductions of consequence. Ever felt fooled...? But on that basis, since Labour are suggesting letting in even more, that not a reason for a change of government... |
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