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 23rd May 2017, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 21 2017, 12:02 PM)  It's the same in NI now as people can get a Irish or British passport. Also politically in an all-Ireland parliament they would have a huge say due to the nature of the voting system and for example would most likely be in coalition with Fine Gael right now!! It''s hard to say how NI voters would realign, given the political split has been between unionist & nationalist for so long, rather than the left/right of the British mainland. |
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17th July 2017, 11:23 AM
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Two very different articles in the media today...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/j...u-market-access http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-47...ard-Brexit.html |
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17th July 2017, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 17 2017, 12:23 PM) Two very different articles in the media today... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/j...u-market-access http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-47...ard-Brexit.html Most people accept the ref result (even though it was all lies) so thats why figures are high for leaving the EU. The real problem for the Brexiteering froth-mouthers is that most of the country doesn't want to go down the economic plughole as a result, and that must happen with a hard Brexit. The likes of Davies, Johnson, Gove, Farage and may just look like complete lying morons as reality bites. As they always did to people who were never fooled by the lies and blagging. Just look at how haggard Davies looks in the photos today compared to the fresh-looking EU reps. He knows he is going to look like the fool that he is. |
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17th July 2017, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jul 17 2017, 12:49 PM) Most people accept the ref result (even though it was all lies) so thats why figures are high for leaving the EU. The real problem for the Brexiteering froth-mouthers is that most of the country doesn't want to go down the economic plughole as a result, and that must happen with a hard Brexit. A claim I must've heard hundreds of times in the last year, but with no more evidence to support it than any of the other scaremongering of Project Fear... |
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17th July 2017, 02:45 PM
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The staged pictures of the two sides at the start of the negotiations spoke volumes. The EU27 people had a whole load of papers in front of them; Davis had nothing. Clearly both sides had come armed with a summary of their plans.
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17th July 2017, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 17 2017, 03:13 PM) A claim I must've heard hundreds of times in the last year, but with no more evidence to support it than any of the other scaremongering of Project Fear... Falling pound, rising inflation, slowing growth. Do you need any more? |
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17th July 2017, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 17 2017, 03:13 PM) A claim I must've heard hundreds of times in the last year, but with no more evidence to support it than any of the other scaremongering of Project Fear... I will echo Suedey, and challenge you to go look up the figures (not that you will take it up you never do), so a pound that has plummeted and stayed plummeted (inflation is a thing, people are already worse off), the lowest growth in the EU (lower than Greece FFS) and the lowest in the G7 is Project Fear? Businesses issuing warnings, German car manufacturers stating they will support the EU position, companies moving to the EU is just Project Fear? You are SO self-deluded and ill-informed. The UK has no plan, never has had a plan, Leave never expected to win. They were shuffling for PM jobs and were willing to put the economic well-being of everyone who isnt rich into the roulette wheel for the sake of their egos. That includes Corbyn and May who both took a profile so low they were basically horizontal, despite being nominally "Remainers" (they are both Leavers through and through, all that differs is the degree of Leave) I remind you that WE ARE STILL IN THE EU AND THE ECONOMY HAS ALREADY TANKED! It will be much much much worse when we leave, unless we take years to do it properly and gradually. |
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17th July 2017, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 17 2017, 03:13 PM) A claim I must've heard hundreds of times in the last year, but with no more evidence to support it than any of the other scaremongering of Project Fear... I'm surprised the Remoaner crybabies are still trying the scaremongering and Project Fear tactic, it didn't work when George Osborne was Chancellor and it isn't gonna work now. |
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18th July 2017, 05:27 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jul 17 2017, 03:45 PM) Falling pound, rising inflation, slowing growth. Do you need any more? All of the above have happened before, without any connection to Brexit. QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jul 17 2017, 08:58 PM) I remind you that WE ARE STILL IN THE EU AND THE ECONOMY HAS ALREADY TANKED! It will be much much much worse when we leave, unless we take years to do it properly and gradually. The above just proves that being in the EU is no protection.  The original Remainer claim was that everything would go to hell the instant we voted out, but since that hasn't happened, they've since engaged in a constant goalpost-moving exercise... |
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18th July 2017, 05:37 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jul 17 2017, 11:58 PM) I'm surprised the Remoaner crybabies are still trying the scaremongering and Project Fear tactic, it didn't work when George Osborne was Chancellor and it isn't gonna work now. At least the more pragmatic ones have now accepted the inevitability of Leaving - I suspect the others have fallen for the PC brainwashing that everything Britain ever did as an independent entity was 'evil' - I guess they never watched 'The Life Of Brian' and the 'What Have The Romans Ever Done For Us' scene. Besides, Britain did nothing that any of the other colonial powers weren't also doing to the native populations - we also offered them political stability, which they didn't have before or after the colonial era. |
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18th July 2017, 05:55 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jul 17 2017, 11:58 PM) I'm surprised the Remoaner crybabies are still trying the scaremongering and Project Fear tactic, it didn't work when George Osborne was Chancellor and it isn't gonna work now. I mean it's not a tactic, it's a depiction of what's actually happening. No the sky hasn't fallen in, but sectors-in-need are having their skills shortages compounded, such as nursing, which has seen a 96% annual fall in recruitment from the EU. Growth has slowed, imports are more expensive, inflation has risen and our wages are worth less, all while 2017 has been the Western economy's best year since the financial crisis. Screeching "Scaremongering Remoaner crybabies!" won't change reality. |
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18th July 2017, 05:57 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 18 2017, 06:27 AM) All of the above have happened before, without any connection to Brexit. Interestingly it's the very first UK slowdown which has occurred in the era of globalisation that doesn't have a partial global element to it. Entirely homemade. |
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18th July 2017, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jul 17 2017, 11:58 PM) I'm surprised the Remoaner crybabies are still trying the scaremongering and Project Fear tactic, it didn't work when George Osborne was Chancellor and it isn't gonna work now. Osbourne was making predictions based on not being in the EU (we were expected to have begun the day after, not 12 months later). The current mailaise started the day after the referendum. This is an inconvenient fact to those going LaLALaLanotylisteningIknowIwaswrongButICan'tAdmititLalalalal... |
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18th July 2017, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 18 2017, 06:27 AM) All of the above have happened before, without any connection to Brexit. The above just proves that being in the EU is no protection. The original Remainer claim was that everything would go to hell the instant we voted out, but since that hasn't happened, they've since engaged in a constant goalpost-moving exercise... all economy downturns have causes, they dont just magically happen out of thin air. Being in the EU has helped avoid things being worse, though of course you would never agree that is the case. Also, UK has always made it's own mistakes and been buffered by having EU advantages. Banking Crisis could have been avoided with proper oversight and regulation and the last 10 years wouldn't have happened. That was a UK decision, not the EU (though they also made the same mistakes, as did the USA). Refer to my post above, re "instant we voted out" that wasn't what anyone was saying (apart from the instant fall in the pound, which was a fact, and the delayed knock-on effects, which are also a fact, and a shock to the stock market - if anyone apart from wealthy people care about that and that it is a temporary blip). We live in world where people are proud to be dumb, and criticise anyone who isn't and has the ability to put out warnings they don't want to hear. You can tell who these people are, they are intolerant, incoherent in argument, lacking in sympathy for others well-being as long as they get their own way, and use words like "remoaner", "snowflake" and "liberal establishment" that theyve picked up from other whiny, right-wing propaganda pushers (eg Fake News biased agendas like The daily mail, Breitbart, Fox, Trump). |
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18th July 2017, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 18 2017, 06:37 AM) At least the more pragmatic ones have now accepted the inevitability of Leaving - I suspect the others have fallen for the PC brainwashing that everything Britain ever did as an independent entity was 'evil' - I guess they never watched 'The Life Of Brian' and the 'What Have The Romans Ever Done For Us' scene. Besides, Britain did nothing that any of the other colonial powers weren't also doing to the native populations - we also offered them political stability, which they didn't have before or after the colonial era. sounds like a rose-tinted romantic notion to bring back crucifixion to me..... FYI I adore The Life Of Brian, a film about how easy it is to pull the wool over the eyes of fools, who are quick to follow idiots based on nothing whatsoever except empty promises (be it a holy shoe or a holy gourd) while the overlords still stay in power while they squabble. The overlords are rich British (and foreign-owning squillionaires) who carry on regardless while the Leaver/Gourd-worshippers squabble over how to best follow the Brexit Gods, Hard Gourd or soft shoe.  The British Empire offered much: slavery, war, wiping out of indigenous populations, spread of intolerance, decimation of wildlife, homophobia, women knowing their place, ah those were the good ol' days if you were rich. saying "well we weren't the only ones doing it" doesnt make it right: "well everyone else was kicking the baby in the head so that's not my fault" won't wash in court.... These, as I say often, are facts. |
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18th July 2017, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jul 18 2017, 12:40 PM) Osbourne was making predictions based on not being in the EU (we were expected to have begun the day after, not 12 months later). The current mailaise started the day after the referendum. This is an inconvenient fact to those going LaLALaLanotylisteningIknowIwaswrongButICan'tAdmititLalalalal... You're the one in denial, not me. The UK is leaving the EU, and it's going to be a nice, clean Brexit, no halfway in halfway out "soft" Brexit. |
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18th July 2017, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jul 18 2017, 01:29 PM) You're the one in denial, not me. The UK is leaving the EU, and it's going to be a nice, clean Brexit, no halfway in halfway out "soft" Brexit. Not in denial ta. There was no referendum on hard or soft and all the lying twats now having the responsibility claimed it would be cuddly and soft. Feel free to review all the tv interviews of the time. None of them claimed it would be hard or difficult I'm any way. As for what type we get come back in 12 months and we will see... |
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18th July 2017, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jul 18 2017, 04:34 PM) Not in denial ta. There was no referendum on hard or soft and all the lying twats now having the responsibility claimed it would be cuddly and soft. Feel free to review all the tv interviews of the time. None of them claimed it would be hard or difficult I'm any way. As for what type we get come back in 12 months and we will see... Leaving the single market is considered "Hard Brexit", and yet Remainers will repeatedly say the British people didn't know what they were voting for, but what's this, the former Prime Minister and former Chancellor informing the British people before the referendum that to vote leave is to vote to leave the single market. I guess the British public really did know what they were voting for   |
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18th July 2017, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 18 2017, 06:27 AM) All of the above have happened before, without any connection to Brexit. The above just proves that being in the EU is no protection. The original Remainer claim was that everything would go to hell the instant we voted out, but since that hasn't happened, they've since engaged in a constant goalpost-moving exercise... The reason the pound has merely fallen sharply rather than falling off a cliff is that the Bank of England spent billions on making sure that didn't happen. |
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18th July 2017, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 18 2017, 06:37 AM) At least the more pragmatic ones have now accepted the inevitability of Leaving - I suspect the others have fallen for the PC brainwashing that everything Britain ever did as an independent entity was 'evil' - I guess they never watched 'The Life Of Brian' and the 'What Have The Romans Ever Done For Us' scene. Besides, Britain did nothing that any of the other colonial powers weren't also doing to the native populations - we also offered them political stability, which they didn't have before or after the colonial era. But Your Honour, I wasn't the only one going around murdering people. |
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