Leaving the single market is considered "Hard Brexit", and yet Remainers will repeatedly say the British people didn't know what they were voting for, but what's this, the former Prime Minister and former Chancellor informing the British people before the referendum that to vote leave is to vote to leave the single market. I guess the British public really did know what they were voting for

Leaving the single market is considered "Hard Brexit", and yet Remainers will repeatedly say the British people didn't know what they were voting for, but what's this, the former Prime Minister and former Chancellor informing the British people before the referendum that to vote leave is to vote to leave the single market. I guess the British public really did know what they were voting for

The British Empire offered much: slavery, war, wiping out of indigenous populations, spread of intolerance, decimation of wildlife, homophobia, women knowing their place, ah those were the good ol' days if you were rich. saying "well we weren't the only ones doing it" doesnt make it right: "well everyone else was kicking the baby in the head so that's not my fault" won't wash in court....

These, as I say often, are facts.

The reason the pound has merely fallen sharply rather than falling off a cliff is that the Bank of England spent billions on making sure that didn't happen.

52 v 48.

I don't think that tiny percentage on one day is enough to pull us all out based on all this uncertainty, along with the fact that 2/4s of the nations AND Gibraltar all voted to stay in. Ia this a UNION or what England says, goes?

Which they would have done had the pound fallen for *any* reason - that's their job.

My point is - there's no reason to think we made the colonies *worse* off than before we took them over, and how many have proved to be virtually ungovernable since the gained their independence?

My point is - there's no reason to think we made the colonies *worse* off than before we took them over, and how many have proved to be virtually ungovernable since the gained their independence?
Which they would have done had the pound fallen for *any* reason - that's their job.
The 2 out of 4 idea doesn't work unless you have an electoral college - and that's far from ideal too, just look at the US Presidential election...

Some good news is that a transitional deal looks more and more likely. Should mean disruption from leaving the EU will be less and give time for businesses/public services/border control etc to adjust and implement whatever post-brexit deal/infrastructure is done and needed.

Yes, at last reality bites and another Brexit lie is confirmed. Ruining the country's businesses was never going to be a good way to get yourself elected ever again - especially not when they pay for your own political party...

We're seeing both the UK & EU's posturing coming to an end as things get serious and a pragmatic approach is needed. Still a long way to go in terms of talks, but things don't look as grim as they did not too long ago.

To say the EU haven't been posturing is a bit of a blinded view. Of course they haven't been doing it to the extent of the UK (well the Tory party) and have generally stuck to their guns. However things such as the "divorce" bill being stated at ludicrously high amounts without a cost-checked list being published and the way in which they have come across as wanting to "punish the UK for leaving" are examples of that.

Of course I understand the EU doesn't want to make leaving look good, but they've come to realise that a pragmatic approach is needed (as have our politicians, finally). Not to say we'll "have our cake and eat it", but the tone from both sides has been less harsh now that talks have began. I'm hopeful that common sense will rule and the UK will have a transitional deal which'll prevent the cliff edge and allow both sides time to adjust.

In terms of a transitional deal giving them a better chance at being elected for the next government - I'm not entirely sure it will. In fact it could backfire on them as a lot of people who voted leave may not have liked the Tory approach and how long it's taken to leave the EU - in spite of it being an obvious way to leave without the cliff edge. The next few years will certainly be interesting to say the least.

They've only come across as "wanting to punish the UK" in the eyes of the Tory press. All they are doing is looking after the interests of the member states which is, after all, what the EU is for.