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 2nd August 2017, 05:22 PM
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 Queen of Soon
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This is also the same group of people (I refuse to call it a newspaper) who insisted that you couldn't control borders as an EU member state and are up in arms at EU member states... controlling their borders. Honestly I don't know if I should laugh or cry in despair these days.
Leave voting farmers are furious because they've finally realised that CAP is going to stop and won't be replaced. (no shit Sherlock, another check for the 'scaremongering' is actually coming true column) I've got a 65 minute connection in München later this month, let's hope German efficiency reigns supreme at the border! |
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4th August 2017, 09:35 AM
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Queen of Soon
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4th month of falling car sales.
SMMT laying the blame firmly at brexits door |
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4th August 2017, 12:16 PM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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And the problem is? If less cars are being sold, then there will be less noxious CO2 emissions, therefore ensuring that the air is a lot less full of pollutants, which given the horrific standard of air, especially in the big cities like London, is a real godsend. Three cheers for Brexit!
Gosh, if I ever had a consciencectomy, I'd make a rather brilliant spin doctor. |
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4th August 2017, 12:41 PM
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Queen of Soon
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New car sales tend to be an indicator of consumer confidence at making big long term purchases. The fact that we're into 4 consecutive months show this wasn't just a front loading of sales before the VED changes and is a bit of a warning sign for the health of the economy. Thanks to lead times this is showing us that with inflation spiking at the start of the year and wages falling further in real terms our economy is in big trouble. Especially when taken with the news of a cool off in the housing market.
If people aren't feeling confident about making a long term or big purchase like a car or a house it's only a matter of time before it starts filtering down through the economy. The other bad news from SMMT is that the number of cars we are making is falling. Showing that the Brexiteers proclamation that a weak pound is good for exports is a pile of w***. Our Automotive Manufacturing sector is heavily dependent on exports. The majority of the output from every factory in the U.K. Is sold abroad. So the slow down of this puts jobs at risk with the manufacturers themselves and through the supply chain. It also weakens our overall export picture, increasing our trade deficit. All of which are grim signs for the health of the economy Tl;dr - car sales are important indicator of consumers long term confidence in the economy and it's looking grim. We also making remarkably less vehicles. Given our Automotive Manufacturing sector is set up on an export model this puts jobs at risk and hurts our trade deficit (The product mix in the U.K. Has swung massively back to Petrol and there is record levels of Hybrid and Electric vehicles being sold. Also keeping in mind that newer vehicles have lower CO2 Emissions and better fuel economy new car sales are a good thing as they push older more polluting vehicles out of the chain and into a scrapyard - thus having a smaller impact on the environment than the vehicles that they replace.) |
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4th August 2017, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Aug 4 2017, 10:35 AM)  4th month of falling car sales. SMMT laying the blame firmly at brexits door How long before Remoaners start blaming bad weather on Brexit... 
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4th August 2017, 01:29 PM
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Never. The things that are being blamed on Brexit are actually Brexit's fault like we told you ...
You were fooled by billionaires and their press. |
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4th August 2017, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Aug 4 2017, 02:19 PM) How long before Remoaners start blaming bad weather on Brexit... I think the Express have already blamed the EU for that. |
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4th August 2017, 02:00 PM
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Queen of Soon
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Who had "Wheeling out 'remoaners' when a Brexiteer is confronted with facts that show the alleged project fear is project fact and the economy is suffering as a result of the referendum decision" on their bingo card??
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4th August 2017, 02:07 PM
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It will be hard for Little Englanders to hide the fact they were fooled by cleverer men and that they voted for Brexit this time thanks to social media, article sharing, arguments, etc. So, like Vidcapper, they will double-down and blame everything on us, decry us undemocratically as 'remoaners' - a tag which is DANGEROUSLY undemocratic and stifling of democratic debate - and blame the RU, like they did recently in that UNBELIEVABLE DailyMail article.
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4th August 2017, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Aug 4 2017, 02:19 PM) How long before Remoaners start blaming bad weather on Brexit... Hmmm, either you were duped or you knew the leave campaign lied and went along with it anyway... Which was it? Still waiting for those promised instant new trade deals, the eu falling over itself to sell us theircars and a fab new prosperous world where british people work all the shitty jobs that banned immigrants used to do. Including making everyone on benefits forced to work in lidls or wait on tables till midnight... Fab times ahead, eh? |
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5th August 2017, 02:50 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Aug 4 2017, 06:11 PM) Hmmm, either you were duped or you knew the leave campaign lied and went along with it anyway... Which was it? Still waiting for those promised instant new trade deals, the eu falling over itself to sell us theircars and a fab new prosperous world where british people work all the shitty jobs that banned immigrants used to do. Including making everyone on benefits forced to work in lidls or wait on tables till midnight... Fab times ahead, eh? It's hypocritical to blame everything negative on Brexit, while ignoring the fact that the benefits of it cannot manifest themselves until after we have left. This post has been edited by vidcapper: 5th August 2017, 02:50 PM |
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5th August 2017, 03:07 PM
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What benefits??
 You are living in a jingoistic fantasy. |
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5th August 2017, 04:34 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Aug 5 2017, 04:07 PM) What benefits?? Did you read my post *at all*?? By definition, the potential benefits of Brexit cannot occur until *after* we have left the EU. It is absurd to declare there will be no benefits before we've even had a chance to find out! 
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5th August 2017, 04:35 PM
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But there are no benefits!
There really aren't. Sorry, not sorry. |
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5th August 2017, 06:08 PM
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Please do enlighten us on the benefits we will get by leaving the European Union and how they compensate for that which we lose?
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5th August 2017, 07:35 PM
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Well, we get to control our borders! I mean, we already do, but not to the level the EU do - that is TOO much, but before it wasn't enough! And how DARE they subject UK citizens to the same checks?
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6th August 2017, 08:52 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Aug 5 2017, 05:35 PM) But there are no benefits! There really aren't. Sorry, not sorry. That's your opinion, not a fact. QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Aug 5 2017, 07:08 PM) Please do enlighten us on the benefits we will get by leaving the European Union and how they compensate for that which we lose? http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit...n-a7104016.html https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...-multinationals |
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6th August 2017, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Aug 4 2017, 10:35 AM) 4th month of falling car sales. SMMT laying the blame firmly at brexits door Isn't it due to tax changes implemented from April 1st? They made buying new cars even more expensive. Some rates of tax went up quite a lot. |
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6th August 2017, 06:17 PM
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Queen of Soon
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ Aug 6 2017, 06:03 PM) Isn't it due to tax changes implemented from April 1st? They made buying new cars even more expensive. Some rates of tax went up quite a lot. That was my first reaction but the SMMT say no. So there was a spike in sales at the start of the year as people pushed to have cars registered under the old tax bands but SMMT say the average lead time for vehicles is 6 months so we're yet to really see that negative impact fully filter through. The UK VED bands being f***ed up by Osbourne doesn't impact exports which are also slowing down |
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6th August 2017, 08:42 PM
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The car market is joining the housing market as being gamed by dodgy lending:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...=clnk&gl=uk QUOTE The amount of money being borrowed to buy new cars has trebled over the past eight years to more than £30bn and there are growing concerns over the lack of financial checks made on potential borrowers. Motorists can be offered loans worth more than their own salaries in a growing scandal which has echoes of the sub-prime mortgage boom which helped spark the global financial crisis. I'm sure it's all under control though. This post has been edited by Doctor Blind: 6th August 2017, 08:43 PM |
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