That's your opinion, not a fact.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit...n-a7104016.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...-multinationals

My underlying analogy for Brexit is - where would America be now if they'd been too timid to fight for *their* independence...

You've just compared a blueberry to Pluto.
Brexit and the 13 colonies gaining independence are not even remotely comparable things

Given the current administration, maybe not the best time to ask that question.

On a side issue, given the choice between Clinton & Trump, I would have had to have chosen the latter, as the slightly lesser of two evils,

Jesus, what exactly do you imagine Clinton would have done with her first 6 months? Nuked the moon?

I beg to differ - both involved a centralized power undermining autonomy, and both were overseas powers over whom influence was very limited.
I was thinking economically, rather than politiclally.

On a side issue, given the choice between Clinton & Trump, I would have had to have chosen the latter, as the slightly lesser of two evils,

Has Trump done so?

Trump is a nutjob who lies in every breath, can't string a sentence together and cares about no-one but himself and his own family. Pretty much says it all that he is prepared to put the whole planet at risk as long as he gets richer himself. Clinton isn't and wasn't in politics for her own welfare, her husband already is rich. Doing it for the less powerful. Magnanimous reasons, however one might view her ability to do that. I think she is very smart, and Trump very very very very very dumb.

avoiding the question yet again...

It will be hard for Little Englanders to hide the fact they were fooled by cleverer men and that they voted for Brexit this time thanks to social media, article sharing, arguments, etc. So, like Vidcapper, they will double-down and blame everything on us, decry us undemocratically as 'remoaners' - a tag which is DANGEROUSLY undemocratic and stifling of democratic debate - and blame the RU, like they did recently in that UNBELIEVABLE DailyMail article.

Goodness, we're still talking about Trump/Hilary more than half a year on? In a thread about the EU? If we could TRY to bring this discussion back on topic, that would be most excellent.

I can assure you that I have been an opponent of the EU for a long time - long before social media even *existed* in fact!

and ive been a supporter since we joined as it heralded peace in Europe after decades of war and misery and mass death

and the stark and poverty-stricken UK pre-EU has become relatively affluent as part of the EU. This is not a co-incidence.

Nor is the fact that very right-wing Hitler-lovers hate the EU with a passion. Especially rich ones and racist ones.

And, no I'm not suggesting everyone who loathes the EU is the above. Most of them just haven't got a clue about politics and the real world and what lies ahead for a nation as unprepared for reality as this one. No plan one year-on, and with 12 months left to cram 5 years worth of trade talks and skilled vital industry relationships into.
Not. A. Chance.

Oh really, I wasn't aware that WW2 ended in 1973...
Nor was the oil crisis that was happening in the early 70's...
We know why *they* hate it, but they have never been more than 1-2% of the UK population, and the referendum was won by a larger margin than that.
But ask yourselves *why* we were unprepared.

Because the arrogant establishment had ignored growing euroscepticism for decades, and didn't believe that voters were strong enough to resist the constant pro-EU inculcation.

Their misreading of the public mood is why we were unprepared, and I don't believe that would have made *any* difference if that had been known in advance - politicians & civil servants are *paid* to sort out problems like this, it's about time they earned their overinflated salaries!

We know why *they* hate it, but they have never been more than 1-2% of the UK population, and the referendum was won by a larger margin than that.