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 The lovely discussion of all things EU and/or Brexit, Part V |
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 Jan 16 2019, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 16 2019, 08:07 PM)  No I'm not trolling. Am scared that A50 may be recinded and I want us out in March at any cost, deal or no deal, to halt immigration. People like my sister who wants us to remain and lives in leafy Cheshire don't understand what it's like here in East London as they don't have immigrants there. If we leave without a deal, the agreement under which we can choose to send refugees back to another EU country if they have passed through there will cease. The likely result is that the number of refugees will increase. |
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Jan 16 2019, 08:26 PM
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Can i just point out the obvious for a second?
You can't complain about immigration WHEN YOU'RE MARRIED TO A FUCKING IMMIGRANT |
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Jan 16 2019, 08:28 PM
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It looks like Theresa has just used up her last life.
Even if the deal passes with some softer Brexit modifications, the DUP will go against her and bring the government down the next day alongside the opposition parties. And we'll either have a new Tory government or Labour government negotiating the future trade deal. Alternatively, she has to extend Article 50 to the horror of the ERG and potentially opens herself up for enough rebels to side with the opposition to bring the government down. Or the deal passes and to prevent the whole government collapsing and subsequent general election, she steps down and paves way for a new Tory PM. Or we leave with no deal and Parliament, in outrage, (with the support of Remain Tory rebels) bring the government down. I literally cannot think of a scenario where Theresa will still be Prime Minister in April. |
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Jan 16 2019, 08:34 PM
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TM is finished but the ERG are also a busted flush. They have no more cards - so for this I think a Hard Brexit and No Deal can be ruled out now.
Hopefully Theresa May will in an effort to actually put the national interest first (instead of saying she is), reach out and compromise, be open to removing her red line on ‘Freedom of movement’, you know the one that she stubbornly refuses to compromise on just to appease the loons on the right of the Tory party. It appears that the EU would be able to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement if this was the case. I wonder if that is how the discussions will go between the PM, Labour and the SNP (if they happen of course, it looks unlikely)? (Yes I appreciate leaving the EU with no say on laws is worse than our current position- but it would make it easier to rejoin at a later date when it becomes BLINDINGLY obvious that this is the case to the electorate at large). |
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Jan 16 2019, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(BotchLikeThis @ Jan 16 2019, 08:28 PM) It looks like Theresa has just used up her last life. Even if the deal passes with some softer Brexit modifications, the DUP will go against her and bring the government down the next day alongside the opposition parties. And we'll either have a new Tory government or Labour government negotiating the future trade deal. Alternatively, she has to extend Article 50 to the horror of the ERG and potentially opens herself up for enough rebels to side with the opposition to bring the government down. Or the deal passes and to prevent the whole government collapsing and subsequent general election, she steps down and paves way for a new Tory PM. Or we leave with no deal and Parliament, in outrage, (with the support of Remain Tory rebels) bring the government down. I literally cannot think of a scenario where Theresa will still be Prime Minister in April. In every scenario the British people lose. |
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Jan 16 2019, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 16 2019, 09:26 PM) Can i just point out the obvious for a second? You can't complain about immigration WHEN YOU'RE MARRIED TO A FUCKING IMMIGRANT Sing it one more time for the sisters in the back! |
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Jan 16 2019, 09:15 PM
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What I can’t understand is what is it all these immigrants are supposed to be doing that’s so bad we have to risk the future of our country to get rid of them?
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Jan 16 2019, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 16 2019, 09:15 PM) What I can’t understand is what is it all these immigrants are supposed to be doing that’s so bad we have to risk the future of our country to get rid of them? There's just too many of them from Europe. We've got half of Romania here now. I used to chat to a very nice teenage Romanian girl in the park as she liked my dog. At first her and her mum and dad came. Then her mum's parents and then her dad's parents and sisters and brothers. Am not saying they're all criminals or benefit scroungers as there are good and bad in every country but they're a strain on housing, education and the NHS. This girl admitted they'd come here so she'd have a better education and she's got great GCSE results now. We're an island and we're full already! They can't just come from Asia and Africa like that as it's difficult even to get a visitor's visa sometimes. My wife's relatives couldn't just come here to live even if they wanted. It's all these Europeans coming for a better life. Not necessarily on benefits I admit but to work and send money home then and it's a better standard of living here. I know with free movement we could go to live there but exactly who would want to go and live in Romania or any other country in Europe? This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: Jan 16 2019, 09:26 PM |
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Jan 16 2019, 09:25 PM
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What's wrong with seeking a better life?
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Jan 16 2019, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 16 2019, 09:25 PM) What's wrong with seeking a better life? Nothing Suedy but you must admit that we are an island with finite space. Immigration from the EU should be subject to the same strict rules as those from Asia, Africa etc. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: Jan 16 2019, 09:30 PM |
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Jan 16 2019, 09:27 PM
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Infamy Infamy they all got it in for me
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 16 2019, 07:27 PM) One of my Facebook friends says "Europe need us more than we need them so we should go with NO DEAL" I agree with him. Oh REALLY... We need to sort out the mess first. I can see Teresa May walking at the end of March or before |
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Jan 16 2019, 09:28 PM
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We’re centuries away from even being half full. Awa an bile yer heid
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Jan 16 2019, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(Mart!n @ Jan 16 2019, 09:27 PM) Oh REALLY... We need to sort out the mess first. I can see Teresa May walking at the end of March or before I'd walk now if I were her. I feel sorry for her. She's doing her best in difficult circumstances. I'd like to see another leader try as hard as she has. The EU should be more flexible. She should get tough with them or stick two fingers up to them and say we'll leave with no deal. Anyway am out of this thread. You're all obviously remainers so the views of us Brexiteers will never be liked. Everyone I know around here voted out because of immigration. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: Jan 16 2019, 09:33 PM |
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Jan 16 2019, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 16 2019, 09:28 PM) I'd walk now if I were her. I feel sorry for her. She's doing her best in difficult circumstances. I'd like to see another leader try as hard as she has. The EU should be more flexible. She should get tough with them or stick two fingers up to them and say we'll leave with no deal. No Deal would be bad for the EU. It would be a lot worse for the UK. The EU know that. |
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Jan 16 2019, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 16 2019, 09:26 PM) Nothing Suedy but you must admit that we are an island with finite space. Immigration from the EU should be subject to the same strict rules as those from Asia, Africa etc. There are lots of rules governing immigrants from the rest of the EU. It's just that successive UK governments have chosen not to enforce them. |
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Jan 16 2019, 09:40 PM
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How dare people might want a better place in a more economically developed country for the good of their own prospects/families/wellbeing...
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Jan 16 2019, 09:44 PM
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I have no sympathy for May whatsoever. She knew what she was taking on. She's been in the Tory party almost all her life, so she knew what it was like. She chose to invoke Article 50 despite not having even a vague plan. She then decided to waste the first two months of the process by calling an unnecessary election. She chose not to involve any other parties in the process despite her initial promises. She chose to round 52% up to 100% and ignore the 48%. She chose to ignore the fact that, had the referendum been binding, there would have been a provision to annul the result if the winning side broke the law. Her current position is entirely one of her own making.
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Jan 16 2019, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 16 2019, 09:28 PM) I'd walk now if I were her. I feel sorry for her. She's doing her best in difficult circumstances. I'd like to see another leader try as hard as she has. The EU should be more flexible. She should get tough with them or stick two fingers up to them and say we'll leave with no deal. Anyway am out of this thread. You're all obviously remainers so the views of us Brexiteers will never be liked. Everyone I know around here voted out because of immigration. You’re leaving the thread because people disagree with you? Your arguments are just falling flat. You say we’re an island and have no space but only a couple of posts after saying there are hardly any immigrants in Cheshire. You only want out of the EU for your own selfish desires and haven’t thought about the greater good for anyone else. I’d much rather have the immigrants here then people as compassionless as you. You haven’t even addressed the fact that leaving the EU won’t solve your problem and keep insisting that everyone you know voted for the same reasons and that’s somehow evidence of you being right. You also live in London who voted in strong numbers to remain therefore you clearly must know some remainers. |
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Jan 16 2019, 10:08 PM
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80% of us voted for Brexit led manifestos, what an absolute mugging. Got no idea why she is so wet over Brexit.
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Jan 16 2019, 10:38 PM
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Two and half years have passed and not one Brexiter has put forward a convincing argument why leaving the EU will benefit us economically.
A polite reminder to hardline Brexiters that only 0.3% of government spending is put into EU contributions. Brexit is underpinned by right-wing, flag waving nationalistic values and article 50 needs to be revoked. |
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