The lovely discussion of all things EU and/or Brexit, Part V |
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16th January 2019, 11:11 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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From The Telegraph..
Philip Hammond told business leaders that the “threat” of a no-deal Brexit could be taken “off the table” within days and potentially lead to Article 50 “rescinded”, a leaked recording of a conference call reveals. The Chancellor set out how a backbench Bill could effectively be used to stop any prospect of no deal. He suggested that ministers may even back the plan when asked for an “assurance” by the head of Tesco that the Government would not oppose the motion. More behind the firewall.. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/0...no-deal-brexit/ If A50 is recinded then I'm leaving this country as it'll be a massive kick in the teeth to us Brexiteers and the will of the British people who voted to leave. Some are predicting mass demonstrations or even riots if we don't leave in March. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: 16th January 2019, 11:13 PM |
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16th January 2019, 11:11 PM
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I Drink Wine
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I have no sympathy for May whatsoever. She knew what she was taking on. She's been in the Tory party almost all her life, so she knew what it was like. She chose to invoke Article 50 despite not having even a vague plan. She then decided to waste the first two months of the process by calling an unnecessary election. She chose not to involve any other parties in the process despite her initial promises. She chose to round 52% up to 100% and ignore the 48%. She chose to ignore the fact that, had the referendum been binding, there would have been a provision to annul the result if the winning side broke the law. Her current position is entirely one of her own making. It's times like this we need a like button. Fully hit the nail on the head! |
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16th January 2019, 11:24 PM
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Queen of Soon
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From The Telegraph.. Philip Hammond told business leaders that the “threat” of a no-deal Brexit could be taken “off the table” within days and potentially lead to Article 50 “rescinded”, a leaked recording of a conference call reveals. The Chancellor set out how a backbench Bill could effectively be used to stop any prospect of no deal. He suggested that ministers may even back the plan when asked for an “assurance” by the head of Tesco that the Government would not oppose the motion. More behind the firewall.. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/0...no-deal-brexit/ If A50 is recinded then I'm leaving this country as it'll be a massive kick in the teeth to us Brexiteers and the will of the British people who voted to leave. Some are predicting mass demonstrations or even riots if we don't leave in March. I’ll organise crowd funding for your one way ticket. I hear the Sudan is lovely this time of year |
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16th January 2019, 11:38 PM
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16th January 2019, 11:55 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Me? France's non-EU immigration laws are just as nonsensical as Britain's. But I want to stay here. There has to be tough non EU immigration laws or anyone from poor countries, if they could somehow get the one way air fare together, would come here. I bet half the Philippines would seek a better life. We'd have half the world coming here to a small island. My wife's niece, 21, wouldn't have been allowed here even for a visit if there hadn't been special circumstances ie a tragic death, as they think young girls with no job or ties to their own country like she hadn't, will just disappear and get married whilst here. Older people have a better chance of getting a visa. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: 16th January 2019, 11:58 PM |
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16th January 2019, 11:59 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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From The Telegraph.. Philip Hammond told business leaders that the “threat” of a no-deal Brexit could be taken “off the table” within days and potentially lead to Article 50 “rescinded”, a leaked recording of a conference call reveals. The Chancellor set out how a backbench Bill could effectively be used to stop any prospect of no deal. He suggested that ministers may even back the plan when asked for an “assurance” by the head of Tesco that the Government would not oppose the motion. More behind the firewall.. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/0...no-deal-brexit/ If A50 is recinded then I'm leaving this country as it'll be a massive kick in the teeth to us Brexiteers and the will of the British people who voted to leave. Some are predicting mass demonstrations or even riots if we don't leave in March. People can riot all they want, generally speaking the riots will be places the government doesn't really care about so I'm not sure destroying an already beaten town is the right thing to do. Everyone's just gotten a little heated, as they may have voted to EU but as logic is telling us now, nobody had a f***ing clue what that looked like be it the campaign or the people that voted for it. |
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17th January 2019, 03:26 AM
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The horrors persist, but so do I
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If A50 is recinded then I'm leaving this country as it'll be a massive kick in the teeth to us Brexiteers and the will of the British people who voted to leave. Some are predicting mass demonstrations or even riots if we don't leave in March. So you're going to protest immigration policies by immigrating to another country?
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17th January 2019, 05:02 AM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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There has to be tough non EU immigration laws or anyone from poor countries, if they could somehow get the one way air fare together, would come here. I bet half the Philippines would seek a better life. We'd have half the world coming here to a small island. My wife's niece, 21, wouldn't have been allowed here even for a visit if there hadn't been special circumstances ie a tragic death, as they think young girls with no job or ties to their own country like she hadn't, will just disappear and get married whilst here. Older people have a better chance of getting a visa. You know what would fix that problem? What would stop them wanting to come here? FOREIGN AID (and a concerted effort by our outreach to ensure that their country becomes just as nice as ours). Our ancestors created this mess of an unequal world, so either we directly fix it through foreign aid, or we accept that immigration is a force we need to deal with. Also, it seems like you have that last thing backwards. Older people have a much lower chance of getting a long-term visa as they are never going to be of benefit to that country's economy. Immigration is great for a country if those coming in are young, skilled people, willing to fill in gaps in the job market, and they may not even wish to become permanent residents. If you move country while you're old, you're doing it to move closer to offspring and so won't leave and/or you're going to leech off that place's services while providing nothing yourself. Though it's nice to see you considering immigrating to another country Chris. Maybe you could go to Romania or Bulgaria and start a trend advertising us abroad as not the uneducated and boorish Brits who spend their lives living on a wet island, but rather the open Brits who want to move, be multicultural and learn about the world. Learn the language, take part in their culture, make Romanian friends, ~zaoshang hao, wo shuohua feichang zaogao de zhongguo ren, but I do try. |
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17th January 2019, 06:38 AM
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Paul Hyett
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Without the DUP's support the government would have lost by 1. You might want to check your maths there. The result was 325-306 Without the DUP's support it would have been 316-306 Only with their *active opposition* would it have been as close as you said : 316-315, and the gov't would still have won, not lost, as you claimed. |
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17th January 2019, 06:54 AM
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Paul Hyett
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10?
Did I miss a by-election then? In any case, the DUP *didn't* vote against the gov't - so what might have happened is moot. Rather like Michael's claim that Labour lost the last election by 2000 votes, rather than 758,000 This post has been edited by vidcapper: 17th January 2019, 06:59 AM |
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17th January 2019, 06:58 AM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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10? Did I miss a by-election then? No, there are 10, and have always been 10 since 2017. The reason I deleted was I saw that Ian Paisley had been suspended so I wasn't sure if he'd voted but it seems that has passed and the Wiki page with the list hasn't been updated. |
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17th January 2019, 07:00 AM
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Paul Hyett
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No, there are 10, and have always been 10 since 2017. The reason I deleted was I saw that Ian Paisley had been suspended so I wasn't sure if he'd voted but it seems that has passed and the Wiki page with the list hasn't been updated. Ah, OK, that caught me too. This post has been edited by vidcapper: 17th January 2019, 07:00 AM |
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17th January 2019, 08:46 AM
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Also, it seems like you have that last thing backwards. Older people have a much lower chance of getting a long-term visa as they are never going to be of benefit to that country's economy. . I meant older people coming for a visit, maximum 6 months. An older woman with family and less likely to disappear stands a better chance than a young lass. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: 17th January 2019, 08:47 AM |
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17th January 2019, 10:39 AM
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Me? France's non-EU immigration laws are just as nonsensical as Britain's. But I want to stay here. Count me in as someone else that would love to work in Europe, having studied and worked abroad extensively and see the diversity I can assure you that there are MANY places just as nice if not substantially nicer, cleaner, more efficiently run than the UK. However thanks to people like Crazy Chris me and others may never get that chance, and we are NEVER going to forgive them for that. You know, I really do feel sorry for Brexiteers who voted to leave because of immigration. Having spoken to a lot of them in my area( note: a lot, not all) they genuinely think that leaving the EU is going to solve a lot of the UK's problems. They lack so much awareness and education on how things actually work, and are going to be in for a huge shock when a.nothing changes and b.they are maybe even worse off. |
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17th January 2019, 11:14 AM
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Count me in as someone else that would love to work in Europe, having studied and worked abroad extensively and see the diversity I can assure you that there are MANY places just as nice if not substantially nicer, cleaner, more efficiently run than the UK. However thanks to people like Crazy Chris me and others may never get that chance, and we are NEVER going to forgive them for that. You know, I really do feel sorry for Brexiteers who voted to leave because of immigration. Having spoken to a lot of them in my area( note: a lot, not all) they genuinely think that leaving the EU is going to solve a lot of the UK's problems. They lack so much awareness and education on how things actually work, and are going to be in for a huge shock when a.nothing changes and b.they are maybe even worse off. And that is a major worry. There are going to be a lot of angry voters when they realise that leaving the EU has done nothing to improve their lives. |
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17th January 2019, 02:58 PM
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Paul Hyett
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17th January 2019, 03:03 PM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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That's a bit of an exaggeration - it's not as if leaving the EU means we would be banned from travelling to Europe! Oh from a travelling/holiday perspective not THAT much will change. For those of us that want the opportunity to live and contribute to another country however.... This post has been edited by mald487: 17th January 2019, 03:06 PM |
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17th January 2019, 03:53 PM
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Say that hiss with your chest, and...
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If A50 is recinded then I'm leaving this country as it'll be a massive kick in the teeth to us Brexiteers and the will of the British people who voted to leave. Some are predicting mass demonstrations or even riots if we don't leave in March. Well, unfortunately there might have been mass demonstrations or even riots if there had of been a hard Brexit or no deal too (which looks unlikely now), especially if economically things took a downward turn as forecasted. Unfortunately the country is so divided on Brexit, a lot of people are going to be unhappy whatever happens now. I think there will be a new party if a soft Brexit or Remain win in a second referendum happens anyway, formed of Conservative Brexiteers and perhaps moderate former UKIP members who are disenchanted with the way that party has gone now. This post has been edited by The Snake: 17th January 2019, 04:00 PM |
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17th January 2019, 04:09 PM
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It's times like this we need a like button. Fully hit the nail on the head! Totally agreed - every time I catch myself feeling sorry for May I remember this. Apparently the negotiations between May and the leaders of the opposition parties are going well... She's been reading off a script! |
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17th January 2019, 04:27 PM
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Nothing Suedy but you must admit that we are an island with finite space. Immigration from the EU should be subject to the same strict rules as those from Asia, Africa etc. I don't think "full" is the correct term because young working people pay taxes which help support the older generation, NHS, schools etc, and any EU folk over here are not entitled to free NHS, their home country pays for it. Kids born over here have a right to education here, and old people over here get no pension rights if they are EU citizens unless they have paid into the system same as everyone else. Those working here provide services that british citizens either can't or are unwilling to carry out. The one area I agree on is the hopeless housing situation which has not kept up with demand and created a problem to the young generation (and people like me who thought we'd just save for it and buy a property cash late in life only to find the cost of housing far outstripped savings over the last 15 years leaving it impossible to buy unless you move to cheap areas in the north). That is an issue that the various governments could have resolved though, and didn't. In terms of "who'd want to live in the EU?" err me! Spain, at least for part of the year. I could actually afford a house there too, just like hundreds of thousands of Brits living there right now and still claim my pension for an income (when I qualify in 5 years unless they extend it again). What would I be doing to ruin Spain? I will be spending over there, the UK will pay for medical costs (or insurance), I won;t qualify for any Spanish benefits, so the main negative would be me taking up a house or flat somewhere and making prices rise unless new properties are built. The other one would be pissing off Spanish people who get fed up with sheer number of Brits taking their culture over there and taking over whole areas along the coasts. It works both ways. I think you should continue to contribute to threads, though, because Remainers like me need to hear the other side, and like it or not, the immigration factor is a major one in the way people voted. It's happening all over the developed world, because human nature traditionally blames immigrants when times get rough - instead of the government. |
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