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crazy chris
post Jan 23 2019, 05:37 PM
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This is quite interesting

"Q: If no deal is taken off the table, will you encourage MPs to back May’s deal?

Rees-Mogg says no deal cannot be taken off the table without the connivance of the government. He says if the Commons passes a no-deal bill, there are other mechanism available to the government. It could prorogue parliament, he says.

Rees-Mogg says government should if necessary prorogue parliament to stop Yvette Cooper’s bill to block a no-deal Brexit.

Proroguing is what happens to parliament at the end of a session."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2...4b051f53796678c

"Rees-Mogg Issues Warning to May (2 p.m.)

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the chairman of the pro-Brexit European Research Group, has said that if the Cooper-Boles attempt to delay Britain’s departure from the EU were to pass, the government should suspend Parliament -- using a process known as prorogation.

That would stop the current session, meaning that all pending legislation - including Cooper and Boles’s bill - would fall. If the government didn’t do this, Rees-Mogg told supporters in London, it would make May complicit in taking no-deal off the table, and her party would hold her to account.

That sounds like a veiled threat that his group of pro-Brexit lawmakers might try to bring down her government."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...y-brexit-update
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post Jan 23 2019, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 06:07 PM) *
I find that rather rude and condescending. rolleyes.gif We're not a different species you know. biggrin.gif

I find your racism and xenophobia towards hardworking Europeans condescending.
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post Jan 23 2019, 06:10 PM
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As do I
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post Jan 23 2019, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 05:07 PM) *
I find that rather rude and condescending. rolleyes.gif We're not a different species you know. biggrin.gif


Nor are all the people you want to get rid of because they weren’t born on your island.
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crazy chris
post Jan 23 2019, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(*Tim @ Jan 23 2019, 05:51 PM) *
I find your racism and xenophobia towards hardworking Europeans condescending.



How can I be racist when I'm married to an Asian lady? I am not racist at all but we are an over-populated country and our public services are stretched to breaking point. Enough is enough.
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post Jan 23 2019, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 23 2019, 06:34 PM) *
Nor are all the people you want to get rid of because they weren’t born on your island.



I don't want to get rid of them at all but don't want any more coming here unless they're specialists like engineers, Dr's, vets, scientists etc. with jobs already lined up to start. You can't tell me all those coming here from the EU have jobs lined up. I know some and they haven't.


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post Jan 23 2019, 07:54 PM
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But Chris what you are forgetting about this whole immigration issue (and has been pointed out multiple times) is if we make any trade deals then immigration is going to be a key part. So it doesn't matter if they are Polish, Greek or French they will be replaced with Indian, Chinese and Canadian.

QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 05:37 PM) *
This is quite interesting

"Q: If no deal is taken off the table, will you encourage MPs to back May’s deal?

Rees-Mogg says no deal cannot be taken off the table without the connivance of the government. He says if the Commons passes a no-deal bill, there are other mechanism available to the government. It could prorogue parliament, he says.

Rees-Mogg says government should if necessary prorogue parliament to stop Yvette Cooper’s bill to block a no-deal Brexit.

Proroguing is what happens to parliament at the end of a session."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2...4b051f53796678c

"Rees-Mogg Issues Warning to May (2 p.m.)

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the chairman of the pro-Brexit European Research Group, has said that if the Cooper-Boles attempt to delay Britain’s departure from the EU were to pass, the government should suspend Parliament -- using a process known as prorogation.

That would stop the current session, meaning that all pending legislation - including Cooper and Boles’s bill - would fall. If the government didn’t do this, Rees-Mogg told supporters in London, it would make May complicit in taking no-deal off the table, and her party would hold her to account.

That sounds like a veiled threat that his group of pro-Brexit lawmakers might try to bring down her government."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...y-brexit-update


That won't happen as it would require the Queen to intervene. Shut down Parliament to avoid pissing off a few people. I can't see her doing it, and let's be clear a lot of people want No Deal because they trade in Gold which is linked gains with economic instability. It's just fantastic, the brilliant super power Great Britain will be reduced to WTO trade deals. We have achieved the grand scale of f*** all in 2 years, what makes anyone think we are going to pluck trade deals out of our arses.

And don't even get me on Dyson, he's basically giving a sneak preview of what all loads of businesses are going to do - move their operations elsewhere. If you want to trade with your neighbours, you move to your neighbours.
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post Jan 23 2019, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 06:43 PM) *
I don't want to get rid of them at all but don't want any more coming here unless they're specialists like engineers, Dr's, vets, scientists etc. with jobs already lined up to start. You can't tell me all those coming here from the EU have jobs lined up. I know some and they haven't.


As for the ‘my wife is Asian so’ comments it reeks of ‘I can’t be racist, I have a black friend!!!!1’ teas.

As for the above quote. You only want skilled people to come over? Ok, so any of the ones without jobs should shove off?

It would be lovely if the only residents of the country all had jobs and contributed in a positive way. If that was a residency requirement, we wouldn’t have to have you living over here either.
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post Jan 23 2019, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jan 23 2019, 07:54 PM) *
But Chris what you are forgetting about this whole immigration issue (and has been pointed out multiple times) is if we make any trade deals then immigration is going to be a key part. So it doesn't matter if they are Polish, Greek or French they will be replaced with Indian, Chinese and Canadian.


I wouldn't bother. Like you said, he's had this very valid point brought to his attention multiple times and he's obviously chose to ignore and not reply to it(because he knows it's true). That or like many Brexiteers he's so wet for 'no immigrants' that he's shutting this information out because it contradicts his dreams in la la land and god forbid things don't work out the way the leave campaign promised. laugh.gif
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post Jan 23 2019, 08:56 PM
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Could you *be* any more patronising?

Yes. Bring up VAT again when you’ve already been told that you’re full of shit and you’ll find out just how patronising and arrogant I can be!
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post Jan 23 2019, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(mald487 @ Jan 23 2019, 08:51 PM) *
I wouldn't bother. Like you said, he's had this very valid point brought to his attention multiple times and he's obviously chose to ignore and not reply to it(because he knows it's true). That or like many Brexiteers he's so wet for 'no immigrants' that he's shutting this information out because it contradicts his dreams in la la land and god forbid things don't work out the way the leave campaign promised. laugh.gif


It's sad because people just push the whole 'project fear' angle, when people really have no idea. Sure of course it would be great to only accept skilled immigrants, but the reality is we actually have a lot of skilled and educated workers at the moment in the UK. The EU laws allows businesses to tap in to the talent market and be very flexible across Europe. We have a shortage of some STEM and healthcare professions, but I'd argue a lot of countries do as well.

Shame really as businesses are already moving their operations before our eyes but it's going under the radar. As for someone earlier saying sacrifice short term enconomics, it's not really. It's more medium-long term. The idea of No Deal was never discussed during Leave, but suddenly everyone is getting completely wet over it. We've waited 2 years for Brexit, I genuinely don't see why it's such a big deal not to leave on March 29th. If it was the right idea to leave without a Deal surely we would just have f***ed off A50 and just decided to stick 2 fingers at the World. But no we wouldn't do that cos it's bloody stupid.
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post Jan 23 2019, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 07:41 PM) *
How can I be racist when I'm married to an Asian lady? I am not racist at all but we are an over-populated country and our public services are stretched to breaking point. Enough is enough.

Should we get rid of your wife as well then? Cause obviously she or her ancestors immigrated to the UK
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post Jan 23 2019, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 23 2019, 07:55 PM) *
It would be lovely if the only residents of the country all had jobs and contributed in a positive way. If that was a residency requirement, we wouldn’t have to have you living over here either.


I can't emphasise enough how brilliant a point this is.
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post Jan 23 2019, 10:00 PM
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Can we tone down the language please and be a bit more respectful of each others' views, even if you don't agree with them?

In terms of No Deal, I do think that were it to happen (very unlikely IMO) further to all of the potentially negative issues discussed here it would likely be the end of the United Kingdom with Scotland seeking independence within 5 years as well as the full reunification of Ireland in a similar timescale.
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post Jan 23 2019, 10:04 PM
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Sturgeon will be at a microphone within a second of no deal happening, if the offical starting gun on Indyref2 hasn’t already happened by then
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post Jan 23 2019, 10:58 PM
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I can't emphasise enough how brilliant a point this is.



The big difference is that I WAS BORN HERE to two British parents. I didn't come in to the country so am fully entitled to the sickness benefits I receive as my parents paid enough in taxes even if I haven't.



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post Jan 23 2019, 11:01 PM
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I wouldn't dream of going to France, Germany, Italy, Romania or anywhere else in Europe and getting a steady income due to my illness.
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post Jan 23 2019, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 06:43 PM) *
I don't want to get rid of them at all but don't want any more coming here unless they're specialists like engineers, Dr's, vets, scientists etc. with jobs already lined up to start. You can't tell me all those coming here from the EU have jobs lined up. I know some and they haven't.


And who is going to do the low-skilled and manual labour jobs? Perhaps you might find your periodic assessments become more difficult and the Government fights to fill the shortage of low-skilled wokers? Have you ever considered that?

It's frankly ludicrous for you to be sat there spouting this nonsense when you don't actually contribute anything to society yourself.

You also realise that as EU migration drops, it will rise from outside of the EU.
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post Jan 24 2019, 12:04 AM
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I WAS BORN HERE


So?
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post Jan 24 2019, 12:08 AM
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I wouldn't dream of going to France, Germany, Italy, Romania or anywhere else in Europe and getting a steady income.


But others Brits might and do. However you're taking that away from us.

Why? Because of immigration. Even though you have already had it explained to you countless times that immigration will not go down.

Thanks a bunch.



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