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 The lovely discussion of all things EU and/or Brexit, Part V |
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 25th January 2019, 03:24 PM
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Any sensible government would accept that there is no realistic prospect of leaving with a deal at the end of March. Given that leaving with no deal would make all previous bad government decisions look quite reasonable, A50 has to be extended or revoked. It may require the promise of a referendum to get the rest of the EU to agree to an extension.
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25th January 2019, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 25 2019, 03:24 PM)  Any sensible government would accept that there is no realistic prospect of leaving with a deal at the end of March. Given that leaving with no deal would make all previous bad government decisions look quite reasonable, A50 has to be extended or revoked. It may require the promise of a referendum to get the rest of the EU to agree to an extension. Well I for one hope we do leave on March 29th whether with a deal or not. This impasse needs to come to an end now. Let's get the hell out sharpish. This post has been edited by Common Sense: 25th January 2019, 05:40 PM |
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25th January 2019, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jan 25 2019, 03:44 PM) Well I for one hope we do leave on March 29th whether will a deal or not. This impasse needs to come to an end now. Let's get the hell out sharpish. Perhaps you would like to answer some of the questions you have been asked about No Deal. |
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25th January 2019, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 25 2019, 03:24 PM) It may require the promise of a referendum to get the rest of the EU to agree to an extension. I don't know why the EU would be so reluctant to agree to an extension anyway without conditions. Yes it might be a bit of a bother having the UK MEPs up for re-election in the May elections but if the EU extends Article 50 it would beneficial for them surely, as I am sure they would prefer to have a deal with the UK than no deal (although of course no deal wouldn't affect them that much). |
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25th January 2019, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(The Snake @ Jan 25 2019, 03:55 PM) I don't know why the EU would be so reluctant to agree to an extension anyway without conditions. Yes it might be a bit of a bother having the UK MEPs up for re-election in the May elections but if the EU extends Article 50 it would beneficial for them surely, as I am sure they would prefer to have a deal with the UK than no deal (although of course no deal wouldn't affect them that much). They would need some reason to believe that a resolution was achievable. |
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25th January 2019, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 25 2019, 03:49 PM) Perhaps you would like to answer some of the questions you have been asked about No Deal. It's worthless, no matter how many times people try and tell Brexiteers about their new fantasy (which even the most ardent of fantasists never mentioned during the referendum campaign) they just don't listen. It's a shame to say this - but they are clueless (unless they're investment bankers). It's fine to walk away from the EU with a Trade deal in place, but to leave without one is just economic suicide. If the WTO was so great, the rest of the world would be trading on their terms. Can already see May squirimg out of everything that happens by saying 'we voted for it'. It's an absolute disgrace how we have got to where we are. |
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25th January 2019, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jan 25 2019, 03:07 PM) So how do you personally think this will end Vid. Do you think we'll crash out with no deal? I can see her asking the EU to extend A50. Can you? The Chancellor, speaking to Sky News this morning, seemed to suggest that no deal's a real possibilty now though. I think that if MP's obstructionism forces us out with No Deal, then *all* MP's will share the blame & consequences, not just the Tories! |
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25th January 2019, 04:05 PM
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https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1088738148438499328
This is hilarious btw - must watch for both Remainers and Brexiteers. But shows really why anyone that tells you leaving with No Deal is a good idea is a complete and utter melt. |
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25th January 2019, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 25 2019, 04:04 PM) I think that if MP's obstructionism forces us out with No Deal, then *all* MP's will share the blame & consequences, not just the Tories! That's May's tactic. She is trying to make sure that, whoever gets the blame, it ain't her. We can only hope the electorate aren't stupid enough to fall for it. |
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25th January 2019, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 24 2019, 01:18 PM) Let me be perfectly clear when I say this. I am from a military family, I was born in a military hospital on a military base during the military occupation of West Germany. Dragging them into your weak argument to try and add some weight to it is highly disrespectful It is a meaningless soundbite because you and others who scream it at the top of your lungs can not define it or show evidence as to why you think we do not have it. Ergo a meaningless soundbite. Snap! My dad was in the RAF for 22 years, and I was on military bases in Germany and Singapore, as the British Empire died in the Far east, growing up. My dad served in the military during the Aden conflicts in the mid 60's while mum and me and bro lived in Liverpool till he got back. My dad voted REMAIN. So where did Vidcapper do his military service? What about the War generation fighting for peace in EUrope by voting for the Common Market in 1975? Having seen the consequences, like Churchill, and even like Thatcher, they knew it was a good thing and trying to twist facts to suit a generation that grew up and did well out of being in the EU but are too blinkered over minor issues to see the greater good it brings but are fond of saying "we" when they weren't even born, or served their country, when older folk who did hold a more realistic view, is just cheek. |
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25th January 2019, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jan 25 2019, 03:07 PM) So how do you personally think this will end Vid. Do you think we'll crash out with no deal? I can see her asking the EU to extend A50. Can you? The Chancellor, speaking to Sky News this morning, seemed to suggest that no deal's a real possibilty now though. Local Gov is getting advice from Central Gov about continuation of things like bidding processes and buying shit following a No Deal ("business as usual") so it may be that it will happen unless Parliament takes control away from the Mad Cat Woman. The Queen's advice this morning is something perhaps about democracy and agreement and getting along, rather than threats and spouting demands on all sides, as well as the general public to calm down and stop being angry with each other which as we know from history always turns out well..... |
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25th January 2019, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(The Snake @ Jan 25 2019, 04:55 PM) I don't know why the EU would be so reluctant to agree to an extension anyway without conditions. Yes it might be a bit of a bother having the UK MEPs up for re-election in the May elections but if the EU extends Article 50 it would beneficial for them surely, as I am sure they would prefer to have a deal with the UK than no deal (although of course no deal wouldn't affect them that much). There is no benefit to the EU of extending A50 if it only prolongs the current uncertainty further into 2019. For them, they need to see a benefit to them and their members of the extension. They have been transparent that they want to see the UK stay and that if there is a possibility of that happening they will support any necessary paperwork to make that happen |
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25th January 2019, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 25 2019, 04:04 PM) I think that if MP's obstructionism forces us out with No Deal, then *all* MP's will share the blame & consequences, not just the Tories! Yes all the MPs who voted against May's deal will be to blame if we crash out with no deal on 29th March. |
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25th January 2019, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jan 25 2019, 05:37 PM) Yes all the MPs who voted against May's deal will be to blame if we crash out with no deal on 29th March. No they won't. They are not the ones stubbornly insisting that there are only two alternatives. That would be the mad woman in number 10. |
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25th January 2019, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jan 25 2019, 05:37 PM) Yes all the MPs who voted against May's deal will be to blame if we crash out with no deal on 29th March. I don't think we can blame them for not voting it though, that's essentially blackmail. I have no idea about the Deal itself and I don't pretend to, but it seems universally hated by both sides. The ERG are pretty vocal about it being bad and right now it does seem very House of Cards in the political spectrum. There are lots to blame, I mean in hindsight we really should not have triggered Article 50 without a proper plan. You can blame to Jeremy Corbyn a lot for that and the current government. It's ridiculous we are about to single handedly destroy our economy for no economic benefit. At least we have some MPs trying to stop a No Deal. |
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25th January 2019, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jan 25 2019, 05:37 PM) Yes all the MPs who voted against May's deal will be to blame if we crash out with no deal on 29th March. I’ll probably just blame you and the other Brexiteers for being so desperate to destroy our country just because you haven’t the compassion to share it with people who are different. |
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25th January 2019, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 25 2019, 06:06 PM) I’ll probably just blame you and the other Brexiteers for being so desperate to destroy our country just because you haven’t the compassion to share it with people who are different. I wouldn't mind Europeans coming if they had a job lined up already but most don't have. They look for one when they get here. I've nothing against all the nurses who come from the Philippines as without them the NHS would face a severe staff crisis. There shouldn't be free movement within the EU and there should be stricter criteria as to who comes. If that was the case a lot of us who voted out for the immigration reason may not have. This post has been edited by Common Sense: 25th January 2019, 06:21 PM |
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25th January 2019, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jan 25 2019, 06:20 PM) I wouldn't mind Europeans coming if they had a job lined up already but most don't have. They look for one when they get here. I've nothing against all the nurses who come from the Philippines as without them the NHS would face a severe staff crisis. There shouldn't be free movement within the EU and there should be stricter criteria as to who comes. If that was the case a lot of us who voted out for the immigration reason may not have. What difference does it make if they have a job lined up before they arrive; or are looking for one when they arrive? That's certainly more than can be said for the likes of yourself who, to reiterate Ben's earlier point, don't contribute to society. |
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25th January 2019, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jan 25 2019, 07:20 PM) I wouldn't mind Europeans coming if they had a job lined up already but most don't have. They look for one when they get here. I've nothing against all the nurses who come from the Philippines as without them the NHS would face a severe staff crisis. There shouldn't be free movement within the EU and there should be stricter criteria as to who comes. If that was the case a lot of us who voted out for the immigration reason may not have. Sick to my back teeth of repeating this to you and vidcapper. It’s like you’re being wilfully thick. EU LAW THAT THE UK HAS CHOSEN NOT TO APPLY EXPLICITLY ALLOWS US TO CONTROL MIGRATION FROM THE EU BY REQUIRING EU NATIONALS TO REGISTER, PROHIBITING THEIR RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDING WHEN THEY ARRIVE IN THE UK AND DEPORTING THEM IF THEY DONT HAVE A JOB WITHIN THREE MONTHS Read something other than the daily mail for once in your damn life |
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25th January 2019, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 25 2019, 07:53 PM) Sick to my back teeth of repeating this to you and vidcapper. It’s like you’re being wilfully thick. EU LAW THAT THE UK HAS CHOSEN NOT TO APPLY EXPLICITLY ALLOWS US TO CONTROL MIGRATION FROM THE EU BY REQUIRING EU NATIONALS TO REGISTER, PROHIBITING THEIR RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDING WHEN THEY ARRIVE IN THE UK AND DEPORTING THEM IF THEY DONT HAVE A JOB WITHIN THREE MONTHS Read something other than the daily mail for once in your damn life It is also worth pointing out that the country that pressed hardest for this law was the UK. |
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