The lovely discussion of all things EU and/or Brexit, Part V |
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28th January 2019, 12:59 PM
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I Drink Wine
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I think it’s likely all the amendments will be rejected as well as the deal itself again
So we will have wasted another 2 weeks and still be in the same position |
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28th January 2019, 02:55 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Yes I think they'll all be rejected. Hopefully Cooper's will be too as A50 should not be delayed.
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28th January 2019, 02:55 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Yes I think they'll all be rejected. Hopefully Cooper's will be too as A50 should not be delayed.
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28th January 2019, 03:34 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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I'll switch to apples then. British apples. Not in season As we'll find out in March when 30% of our fresh food suddenly stops coming from the EU, and therefore empty shelves cos the rest of the world can't suddenly magic more food out of thin air without pissing off existing customers. |
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28th January 2019, 03:45 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Is it any wonder I refuse to post my reasons, when *every single time* I try, they get dismissed as Leave propaganda, and myself treated like a re**** for believing them... Ouch! "Reasons" are not facts. If you throw something in as a reason then people are free to explain why it isn't the case, if it isn;t the case, and agree with it, if it is the case and they can give clear reasons why it is the case. Legal cases aren't sorted by people having a REASON to believe something that isn't true ("my mate told me", "I'm scared of foreign politicians", "I want Parliament to decide on our future except where they don;t agree with me then they are traitors"), it's based on an assessment of all the available evidence, whether you like it or not, and so far the available evidence (and the government's own evidence) is that it will be overwhelmingly damaging, short-term and long-term. This is not me trying to crucify you or anyone else for your beliefs, it's me trying to get you to understand why we don't have to accept "reasons" when their is hard logic staring us in the face, and not one single promise made by the Leave side has come true to date, nor have the Project fear Turkey/ Ruled by an EU army/ keeping out foreigners/etc any substance either. Easiest deal in history. Except it isn't. |
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28th January 2019, 04:04 PM
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Paul Hyett
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Ouch! "Reasons" are not facts. If you throw something in as a reason then people are free to explain why it isn't the case, if it isn;t the case, and agree with it, if it is the case and they can give clear reasons why it is the case. This is not me trying to crucify you or anyone else for your beliefs, it's me trying to get you to understand why we don't have to accept "reasons" when their is hard logic staring us in the face, and not one single promise made by the Leave side has come true to date, nor have the Project fear Turkey/ Ruled by an EU army/ keeping out foreigners/etc any substance either. Oh, I've long since realised that you won't accept my reasons for voting Brexit. And what's with 're-tard' getting starred out? It wasn't aimed at a specific person - and I didn't realise it was considered a 'snowflake-offending' word anyway? This post has been edited by vidcapper: 28th January 2019, 04:05 PM |
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28th January 2019, 04:11 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Not in season As we'll find out in March when 30% of our fresh food suddenly stops coming from the EU, and therefore empty shelves cos the rest of the world can't suddenly magic more food out of thin air without pissing off existing customers. All scaremongering. There's even rumours that insulin and other important drugs will run out but manufacturers say they have several months' supply in hand already. This post has been edited by Common Sense: 28th January 2019, 04:12 PM |
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28th January 2019, 04:21 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Oh, I've long since realised that you won't accept my reasons for voting Brexit. And what's with 're-tard' getting starred out? It wasn't aimed at a specific person - and I didn't realise it was considered a 'snowflake-offending' word anyway? The board's censorship system has been mostly unchanged for years prior to snowflake becoming a politicised insult, including this word. I happen to agree with this, it's not a classy word. You also seem to consider there being an importance to our acceptance of your opinions, or our acceptance of the result, as if this thread isn't going to continue to go round in circles ad infinitum regardless until whenever the business concludes, or the heat death of the universe, whichever's first. Our acceptance doesn't matter, so why not lay your cards on the table. We're not going to think less of you. |
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28th January 2019, 05:13 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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All scaremongering. There's even rumours that insulin and other important drugs will run out but manufacturers say they have several months' supply in hand already. No. Major suppliers who rely on Next day deliveries from the EU have said it'll happen. Apples dont grow on trees you know! Not in winter they don't. Feel free to tell sainsbury's and co where they can get some fresh fruit n veg come No Deal then when lorries are stuck at borders for days.... (government has put troops on alert for absolutely no reason whatever, just to scare everyone, then. Scare them into accepting her deal?) cos they are very anxious about it and you can put their minds at rest giving them alternatives.... |
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28th January 2019, 05:38 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Labour have stuck to their usual policy of taking a principled stand. They will be abstaining on the legislation that takes away our freedom of movement.
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28th January 2019, 07:29 PM
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Right in front of my salad?!
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28th January 2019, 07:53 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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28th January 2019, 08:16 PM
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Right in front of my salad?!
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This is a different piece of legislation. Hmmm, either way I despair of Labour almost as much as I do of the Tories (almost, never ever as much). What a mess. It is almost unbelievable that a government would allow the effective economic suicide of a nation - and yet we sit by and allow it to happen. |
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28th January 2019, 08:21 PM
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Queen of Soon
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Stewart McDonald (SNP MP) on Twitter
A Tory MP has told us we need to stop freedom of movement in order to counter extremism. Freedom of movement - the greatest diplomatic achievement in European history - was designed to keep the extremism that built the Berlin Wall in the past. Honestly, read a book. |
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28th January 2019, 08:40 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Hmmm, either way I despair of Labour almost as much as I do of the Tories (almost, never ever as much). What a mess. It is almost unbelievable that a government would allow the effective economic suicide of a nation - and yet we sit by and allow it to happen. The number of times Labour have abstained in this whole saga is a disgrace. Labour, of course, keep banging on about the fact that two senior Lib Dems missed one vote and ignore the fact that they missed it because they had been led to believe that labour would be abstaining yet again. |
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28th January 2019, 08:41 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Stewart McDonald (SNP MP) on Twitter A Tory MP has told us we need to stop freedom of movement in order to counter extremism. Freedom of movement - the greatest diplomatic achievement in European history - was designed to keep the extremism that built the Berlin Wall in the past. Honestly, read a book. You're assuming Tory MPs can read. |
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28th January 2019, 08:56 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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The number of times Labour have abstained in this whole saga is a disgrace. Labour, of course, keep banging on about the fact that two senior Lib Dems missed one vote and ignore the fact that they missed it because they had been led to believe that labour would be abstaining yet again. The worst opposition government I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. |
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28th January 2019, 09:42 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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28th January 2019, 10:03 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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The worst government and the worst opposition in my lifetime - and that's a few decades longer than yours. Both could be struggling to fill their front benches by Tuesday if what I've been reading tonight is correct. Corbyn doesn't want a No Deal, but he won't back Cooper's amendment - the guy is a fukin spoon. |
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28th January 2019, 10:06 PM
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I Drink Wine
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Corbyn is as good as AWOL right now
Meanwhile, Theresa is still in no. 10 rocking back and forth over her precious and refusing to do something constructive to find a consensus |
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