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 8th June 2019, 11:34 AM
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Just being practical - if every politician who lied in a campaign was prosecuted every government on the planet would grind to a halt. That said Johnson is a serial liar and anyone who chooses to believe anything serial liars tell them deserves the personal embarrassment they will get when everyone screams I told you so!
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9th June 2019, 05:28 AM
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What is it with half the field suddenly admitting to taking drugs years ago? Even ‘as a mother’ has joined in with a weed habit.
Like yes, Gove took cocaine when he was a young journalist... never saw that coming. Someone has dirt, and at least it’s rather funny, and obviously they’re going to support lifting prohibition now, aren’t they. |
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9th June 2019, 12:30 PM
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Gove cannot win. He's blabbering about scrapping VAT and replacing it with a "simple sales tax" and OMG what a useless c**t. He wades in on things he's absolutely nae clue about.
VAT is a simple tax ffs. If a business is fully taxable, they don't pay VAT. The end consumer pays the full weight of VAT because it's a consumption tax. A pure sales tax is in operation in the US (and basically no where else) and the US has more than 8,000 tax jurisdictions. Simple my arse. I work in VAT Compliance Technology and every single bit of tech we have built is for VAT/GST systems. Not one of them (or our primary competitors) touches the "simple" sales tax system of the US because it's mind-bogglingly complex, far more so than VAT. VAT isn't perfect, but there's a damn good reason that countries looking to implement a consumption tax are selecting a VAT/GST and not a "Simple Sales Tax" (See the UAE, India and Saudi Arabia. The rest of the GCC has plans to bring in VAT). I'm open to reforming VAT if we leave the EU, and think it should be reformed even if we stay. We need to zero rate essential items like tampons and take another look at how 8th directive claims work and replacing Intrastat and the ECSL/PL system with something more akin to the Control Statements in CZ/SK or the SAF-T in PL. Scrapping it though? Absolutely not. |
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9th June 2019, 01:18 PM
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The Quitters are, of course, describing VAT as an EU-imposed tax. I'm sure Gove's announcement is aimed at these people.
In a sense, it is an EU tax. However, when we joined the Common Market, VAT replaced the old Purchase Tax. Gove is simply exploiting the fact that most people have no idea how the tax system works. |
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9th June 2019, 01:19 PM
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Of course, Gove's announcement might also have more than a little to do with distracting attention from his cocaine-fuelled past. It is interesting to note that anyone with a conviction for possession of cocaine is barred from being a teacher. No prizes for guessing who introduced that regulation.
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9th June 2019, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 9 2019, 02:18 PM)  The Quitters are, of course, describing VAT as an EU-imposed tax. I'm sure Gove's announcement is aimed at these people. In a sense, it is an EU tax. However, when we joined the Common Market, VAT replaced the old Purchase Tax. Gove is simply exploiting the fact that most people have no idea how the tax system works. Indeed, it is very much an EU tax as it underpins the principles of the Common Market and introduces some necessary requirements (Reverse Charge) that actually prevents a race to the bottom on tax rates and ensure that there is no distortion of tax collection. Up/Downside is that every single change has to agreed to unanimously. Good when it means we get to cling onto our Zero Rate. (VAT is actually charged but just at a rate of 0% as opposed to something being exempt or outside of the scope of VAT like University Tuition Fees and a Parking Fine respectively) Bad when it means that we can't make a reform that we would like to such as adding sanitary products to the Zero Rating list. I am biased, as it's literally my life, but the EU VAT Directive is really an excellent bit of supra-national legislation. |
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9th June 2019, 04:04 PM
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According to Sky News Gove's campaign is in trouble after his cocaine admission and more MP's including contender James Cleverley are said to be backing Boris. Seems like this is Boris's to lose now.
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9th June 2019, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 9 2019, 05:04 PM) According to Sky News Gove's campaign is in trouble after his cocaine admission and more MP's including contender James Cleverley are said to be backing Boris. Seems like this is Boris's to lose now. Boris also has the most friends in the media and the most contacts. It's always going to draw this picture. Imo the interesting part will be who the likes of Raab, Leadsome, Javid etc. throw their weight behind if don't muster enough votes. Just goes to show what types of people are voting for the country when an admission of someone taking Cocaine once means they won't vote for them as Party Leader. Personally I think the Tories are in a lose-lose situation. Clear they are losing a lot of their swing voters to the Brexit Party at the moment. But the Tory Party associating themselves woth the Brexit Party is just not going to happen, at least if it did I think it's probably the end of the Conversatives as we know today. |
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9th June 2019, 04:16 PM
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Javid has the endorsement, currently, from Davidson.
He'd be daft to count on that beyond the end of her sentence though, she pulls so many u-turns she ends up spinning faster than a washing machine. |
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9th June 2019, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 9 2019, 05:04 PM) According to Sky News Gove's campaign is in trouble after his cocaine admission and more MP's including contender James Cleverley are said to be backing Boris. Seems like this is Boris's to lose now. Notso Cleverley is not a contender. He has withdrawn. |
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9th June 2019, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 9 2019, 05:17 PM) Notso Cleverley is not a contender. He has withdrawn. Who would you like to see as leader and new PM then Suedy? This post has been edited by Common Sense: 9th June 2019, 04:21 PM |
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9th June 2019, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 9 2019, 05:20 PM) Who would you like to see as leader and new PM then Suedy? Nobody from the rogues gallery of liars, incompetents, charlatans, narcissists, cokeheads, expenses cheats and amnesiacs (capable of forgetting buying seven flats) on offer. |
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9th June 2019, 04:35 PM
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No thanks |
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9th June 2019, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 9 2019, 05:11 PM) Just goes to show what types of people are voting for the country when an admission of someone taking Cocaine once means they won't vote for them as Party Leader. Several times actually. He admitted it on Marr this morning. |
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9th June 2019, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 9 2019, 05:52 PM) Several times actually. He admitted it on Marr this morning. Might as well send him to rehab then. Classic case of being an addict right there. McVey admitted she'd ask The Queen to make sure No Deal goes through. I mean to even suggest such a thing is horrendous. The Queen would rightly tell her to do one. |
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9th June 2019, 06:44 PM
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Yes, suspending Parliament for purely political motives would be anti-democratic and effectively one person taking power for their own ends (regardless of whether they claim it's what people voted for - there was no mention of leaving without a deal in the referendum and none of the campaigners said that is what they were aiming for at the time). For The Queen to even hypothetically get involved in anything that destroys the sovereignty of Parliament would be the first step towards the end of the Monarchy as soon as a Labour government got power. The Queen knows this. Her position is based on keeping Parliament democratic, not based on keeping some jumped-up lying power-mad Tory tosspot who's too scared to put it back the citizens (either by a referendum or a General Election) from having to do just that.
The Queen has to be above politics, that's her role, and she won't take kindly towards any git that tried to drag her into politics, even if she secretly agrees with their intended aim. Neither would voters take kindly to it either, except for the blind Brexit Farage Fan Club. |
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9th June 2019, 07:12 PM
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I agree with what a DS poster says, that Boris is likeable, popular and basically quite harmless whereas we've no idea what other skeletons Gove has in his closet.
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9th June 2019, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 9 2019, 08:12 PM) I agree with what a DS poster says, that Boris is likeable, popular and basically quite harmless whereas we've no idea what other skeletons Gove has in his closet. I heard he once stole some loose onions from Sainsburys. It's a surprise he's allowed on the streets. |
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9th June 2019, 07:50 PM
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Gove can't possibly win as he looks like Mr Bean's younger, less intelligent brother!
Boris is a serial liar and cheat - he'll go far! |
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9th June 2019, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 9 2019, 08:12 PM) I agree with what a DS poster says, that Boris is likeable, popular and basically quite harmless whereas we've no idea what other skeletons Gove has in his closet. Quite harmless?!?!? You’re an actual disgrace |
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