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 The lovely discussion of all things EU and/or Brexit, Part V |
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 13th June 2019, 08:14 AM
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Show me the receipts. The EU have not provided a detailed account of what EXACTLY the UK owes. If the EU doesn't like it then take the UK to court and we should settle it there instead.
Why should the UK give the EU billions of pounds, yes BILLIONS, and we don't even know what exactly we owe, and at the same time those BILLIONS could be spent on our struggling NHS instead. This post has been edited by PeaceMob: 13th June 2019, 08:18 AM |
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13th June 2019, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 07:19 AM)   Did you just say the UK won't be able to trade with the EU if we leave with no deal?Have you heard of the World Trade Organisation ‘Under a beneficial trade deal’ was implied. The point is, it’s going from best possible tariffs to worst possible. |
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13th June 2019, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 08:14 AM) Show me the receipts. The EU have not provided a detailed account of what EXACTLY the UK owes. If the EU doesn't like it then take the UK to court and we should settle it there instead. As if we haven’t sullied our name as a responsible decision-making country enough. Also you are brimming with false equivalencies. Money cannot be taken away from our commitments to freely spend elsewhere. And it isn’t like this government has had trouble finding money when it needed it. |
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13th June 2019, 08:21 AM
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Laughing at the suggestion that a government who are deliberately and knowingly underfunding the NHS to slowly kill it off would spend that money on it.
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13th June 2019, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ Jun 13 2019, 09:17 AM) ‘Under a beneficial trade deal’ was implied. The point is, it’s going from best possible tariffs to worst possible. If Ireland don't want to sell their beef at low tariffs in the UK, the UK will just buy Argentinian or Brazilian beef at low tariffs (which tastes a lot better), if France doesn't want to sell their wine at low tariffs in the UK, the UK can just buy Australian or Californian wine at low tariffs (which tastes a lot better), if Germany doesn't want to sell their cars at the same rate as they do now, then the UK can just buy more Japanese and Korean cars (which are better imo). If the EU want to plunge European countries into recession, then don't bother with a free trade deal with the UK. |
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13th June 2019, 08:33 AM
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How wonderful! While the planet heats up with fuel consumption, our government that should have been spending this decade and the following ones making sustainable climate action their #1 priority, decides to throw it all away so we can import basic living items from the other side of the goddamn planet.
Capitalism will be the death of us all. When the Essex coast is underwater, come back with that little benefit. |
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13th June 2019, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ Jun 13 2019, 09:33 AM) How wonderful! While the planet heats up with fuel consumption, our government that should have been spending this decade and the following ones making sustainable climate action their #1 priority, decides to throw it all away so we can import basic living items from the other side of the goddamn planet. Capitalism will be the death of us all. When the Essex coast is underwater, come back with that little benefit. It's a shame you don't believe in free trade. |
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13th June 2019, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 08:19 AM) Did you just say the UK won't be able to trade with the EU if we leave with no deal?Have you heard of the World Trade Organisation? Had you heard of it three years ago? Would you like to give us a quick précis of what WTO terms are? |
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13th June 2019, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 09:14 AM) Show me the receipts. The EU have not provided a detailed account of what EXACTLY the UK owes. If the EU doesn't like it then take the UK to court and we should settle it there instead. Why should the UK give the EU billions of pounds, yes BILLIONS, and we don't even know what exactly we owe, and at the same time those BILLIONS could be spent on our struggling NHS instead. Because we agreed to pay it. Therefore, it has to be paid. Note that it is due over a period of years, not in one lump sum. |
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13th June 2019, 10:17 AM
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It covers things like pension liabilities and our share of the budget contributions to major ERDF projects. We wouldn’t agree to pay anything without a detailed list. The number wouldn’t have come from thin f***ing air. That is not how the EU works and it’s not how the f***ing accountants who will have spent f***ing weeks working this out work either.
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13th June 2019, 10:28 AM
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I don’t understand why anyone wants to aim for WTO, it’s literally the default (and therefore lowest) position
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13th June 2019, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(Klaus @ Jun 13 2019, 11:28 AM) I don’t understand why anyone wants to aim for WTO, it’s literally the default (and therefore lowest) position Indeed. The rules are deliberately awful to encourage trade agreements. That's why no country on Earth (except mighty Mauritania) trades purely on WTO terms. |
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13th June 2019, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 09:14 AM) Show me the receipts. The EU have not provided a detailed account of what EXACTLY the UK owes. If the EU doesn't like it then take the UK to court and we should settle it there instead. Why should the UK give the EU billions of pounds, yes BILLIONS, and we don't even know what exactly we owe, and at the same time those BILLIONS could be spent on our struggling NHS instead. But they promised us 350m a WEEK from the savings..... Instead they are intending to quietly privatise the NHS even more and the cost of drugs will shoot up as the US screw us into the ground as part of trade negotiations that we will be forced to agree to, as we lose cheap access to drugs in Europe, we lose much-needed foreign staff, and people start dying earlier. Nobody will trust the UK to keep it's word on financial obligations so we will get shit deals on trade. Countries that default on debts get ostracised and the economy invariably crashes. Tax receipts on declining trade will plummet and affect the economy. Exports will be hammered with foreign taxes if there are no agreements, so UK businesses will go out of business once we lost the protection of being in the EU and having a powerful say. Nobody trades on WTO BECAUSE IT'S HUGELY DAMAGING TO ECONOMIES. WE WILL STILL HAVE TO SPEND 10 YEARS NEGOTIATING DEALS WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD WHILE OUR ECONOMY TANKS AND WE ALL SUFFER PLUMMETING LIVING STANDARDS. These are inconvenient facts ignored by liars who lied in the referendum, since the referendum, failed to deliver the best deal ever they promised, all quit their jobs to deliver a deal, and couldnt even be arsed to f***ing vote for the deal when we had agreed one. But hey, you make it sound so simple and consequence-free, just like the lying liars did in 2016. Funny how they never mention Project Fear anymore (aka Project Facts) |
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13th June 2019, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 08:14 AM) Show me the receipts. The EU have not provided a detailed account of what EXACTLY the UK owes. If the EU doesn't like it then take the UK to court and we should settle it there instead. Why should the UK give the EU billions of pounds, yes BILLIONS, and we don't even know what exactly we owe, and at the same time those BILLIONS could be spent on our struggling NHS instead. Oh another one, how fun. Bless  |
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13th June 2019, 04:00 PM
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Right in front of my salad?!
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 08:19 AM) Did you just say the UK won't be able to trade with the EU if we leave with no deal?Have you heard of the World Trade Organisation? Have you actually researched what this is and actually means? If so, it’s incomprehensible how you would think that would be acceptable for any country. |
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13th June 2019, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(Jester @ Jun 13 2019, 05:00 PM) Have you actually researched what this is and actually means? If so, it’s incomprehensible how you would think that would be acceptable for any country. Don't patronise me. Almost every country except countries like North Korea are in the World Trade Organisation. That puts you on the same wavelength as North Korea. |
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13th June 2019, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 07:19 AM) Did you just say the UK won't be able to trade with the EU if we leave with no deal?Have you heard of the World Trade Organisation? Have you heard of trade deals? They take ages to negotiate and y'all don't really hold much weight given that your import is 25% bigger than your export, as well as several companies already relocating to the EU. But go off and believe trade deals are easily negotiated and will all be in y'alls advantage. May wanna read this: http://theconversation.com/no-deal-seven-r...-britain-102009 Not all points hold as much weight but 1, 5, 6 and 7 are imo |
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13th June 2019, 04:51 PM
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Right in front of my salad?!
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jun 13 2019, 05:23 PM) Don't patronise me. Almost every country except countries like North Korea are in the World Trade Organisation. That puts you on the same wavelength as North Korea. Ha!!!! You have no idea AT ALL what you’re on about. |
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13th June 2019, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(Jester @ Jun 13 2019, 05:51 PM) Ha!!!! You have no idea AT ALL what you’re on about. Is this your level of debate. I do know what I'm talking about, do you? |
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13th June 2019, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(*Tim @ Jun 13 2019, 05:32 PM) Have you heard of trade deals? They take ages to negotiate and y'all don't really hold much weight given that your import is 25% bigger than your export, as well as several companies already relocating to the EU. But go off and believe trade deals are easily negotiated and will all be in y'alls advantage. May wanna read this: http://theconversation.com/no-deal-seven-r...-britain-102009 Not all points hold as much weight but 1, 5, 6 and 7 are imo "Have I heard of trade deals". "Trade deals take ages". Lord, give me strength.  |
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