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 18th June 2019, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 18 2019, 08:52 PM)  I don't think it can be delivered so we need to just come out with no deal, as Boris said. Or just not leave at all, like all the rational people are saying. |
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18th June 2019, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 18 2019, 08:52 PM) I don't think it can be delivered so we need to just come out with no deal, as Boris said. So the Tories are the party of tax cuts and business prosperity. A No Deal Brexit kills our economy. There is a reason none of the 5 candidates have said we must have No Deal, because they all know how shite it will be. Leaving with No Deal doesn't solve the problem that we need a Deal at some point. We have zero negotiating tactic, so we're always going to get a shite deal. |
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18th June 2019, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 18 2019, 08:49 PM) Well this is not maybe what you want to hear but he wants us to trust him that we'll leave the EU on 31st October whatever happens. That's music to my ears. And how does his past record encourage anyone to believe the liar? BTW, we're still waiting to hear why leaving is such a good idea. Given that, according to a lot of Tory members, the benefits are so fantastic that it is worth seeing the break=up of the country and severe economic damage, I'm surprised they are so reluctant to tell us what those benefits are. |
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18th June 2019, 07:59 PM
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best quote of the night "we're a great country, we can get through it" RE No Deal.
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18th June 2019, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 18 2019, 08:55 PM) So the Tories are the party of tax cuts and business prosperity. A No Deal Brexit kills our economy. There is a reason none of the 5 candidates have said we must have No Deal, because they all know how shite it will be. Leaving with No Deal doesn't solve the problem that we need a Deal at some point. We have zero negotiating tactic, so we're always going to get a shite deal. I don't suppose they've been asked how they would pay for those tax cuts? Any other party is expected to explain how they would pay for every minor promise in their manifesto, Tories, by contrast, are never asked how they would pay for their promised tax cuts. |
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18th June 2019, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 18 2019, 08:59 PM) best quote of the night "we're a great country, we can get through it" RE No Deal. absolute meltThey keep repeating that idiotic line, but they are never challenged on it. They are never asked how the "great deal" and "sunlit uplands" have become "We can get through it". |
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18th June 2019, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jun 18 2019, 08:54 PM) Or just not leave at all, like all the rational people are saying. Except that would be a kick in the teeth to all those like myself who vote LEAVE. |
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18th June 2019, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 18 2019, 10:15 PM) Except that would be a kick in the teeth to all those like myself who vote LEAVE. And? |
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18th June 2019, 09:38 PM
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Democracy my dear Watson...
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18th June 2019, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Jun 18 2019, 10:38 PM) Democracy my dear Watson... The democratic thing to do would be to allow another vote now that we have actual facts to deal with. |
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18th June 2019, 09:49 PM
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These arguement go round in circles and have done for three years now. We are leaving and that's that. People voted to remain or leave and they did just that. Now let's just do what the people asked.
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18th June 2019, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Jun 18 2019, 10:49 PM) These arguement go round in circles and have done for three years now. We are leaving and that's that. People voted to remain or leave and they did just that. Now let's just do what the people asked. But what the ‘people’ ‘asked’ for seems to be unrealistic, otherwise we’d have left already. It seems the ‘people’ can’t have their cake and eat it. If it came down to no deal or no leave, what would you choose? |
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18th June 2019, 09:59 PM
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I would chose a no deal or a general election.
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18th June 2019, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Jun 18 2019, 10:49 PM) These arguement go round in circles and have done for three years now. We are leaving and that's that. People voted to remain or leave and they did just that. Now let's just do what the people asked. We had an advisory referendum. One side cheated. If you thought leaving was a stupid idea three years ago, what has happened to make you think it is a good idea now? |
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18th June 2019, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 18 2019, 11:01 PM) We had an advisory referendum. One side cheated. If you thought leaving was a stupid idea three years ago, what has happened to make you think it is a good idea now? Because I am a democrat and believe that things could get a lot worse if democracy doesn't prevail. Advisory or not and whether you believe one side cheated these arguement s aren't relevant to the current debate. |
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18th June 2019, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Jun 18 2019, 11:06 PM) Because I am a democrat and believe that things could get a lot worse if democracy doesn't prevail. Advisory or not and whether you believe one side cheated these arguement s aren't relevant to the current debate. It's not just me who believes one side cheated, They have been fined for doing so. You still haven't explained how something becomes a good idea simply because people voted for it (in an advisory, fraudulent referendum). How do you thjink people will react when they find that all those things that were blamed on the EU had nothing to do with the EU after all? |
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18th June 2019, 10:15 PM
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The BBC have done some fact-checking on some of the claims made in tonight's debate. They have selected one inaccurate statement per candidate. Some of them are blatant untruths (making the candidate either a liar or incompetent) while others are not quite as serious.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48685344 |
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18th June 2019, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 18 2019, 11:13 PM) It's not just me who believes one side cheated, They have been fined for doing so. You still haven't explained how something becomes a good idea simply because people voted for it (in an advisory, fraudulent referendum). How do you thjink people will react when they find that all those things that were blamed on the EU had nothing to do with the EU after all? It's not really for me to explain how it becomes a good idea because people voted for it but they did and that should be respected imho. That doesn't mean it'll be easy and it'll be difficult at first but it doesn't mean it shouldnt happen because certain groups disagree. The UK is t a technocracy where people are put in place to push through policies against what the people voted for. In fact in the past that has only happened within the Eu in italy and Ireland. Michael Gove really was awful in tonight's debate - must have mentioned Jeremy Corbyn in every answer. This post has been edited by Steve201: 18th June 2019, 10:47 PM |
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18th June 2019, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Jun 18 2019, 11:46 PM) It's not really for me to explain how it becomes a good idea because people voted for it but they did and that should be respected imho. That doesn't mean it'll be easy and it'll be difficult at first but it doesn't mean it shouldnt happen because certain groups disagree. The UK is t a technocracy where people are put in place to push through policies against what the people voted for. In fact in the past that has only happened within the Eu in italy and Ireland. Michael Gove really was awful in tonight's debate - must have mentioned Jeremy Corbyn in every answer. So if there had been an advisory referendum 30 years ago on whether homosexual acts should be a criminal offence, you would have supported a government that acted on the result? Governments are supposed to act in the interests of the country, whether that is popular or not. |
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19th June 2019, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 18 2019, 09:15 PM) Except that would be a kick in the teeth to all those like myself who vote LEAVE. Yep  Although a lot of people who voted leave are already dead , or not contributing anything to society in the way of work or taxes, but still taking advantage of.the benefits that their EU membership has given them by having a foreign spouse  |
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