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 19th October 2019, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 19 2019, 03:49 PM)  Oh LORD. Ban that troll. Why is anyone who disagrees with you called names and a troll? You call Vidcapper a moron too now. 
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19th October 2019, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 03:49 PM) It was a non-binding referendum as you keep reminding me yet MP's voted for May to start proceeding by invoking A50. Two successive PM's have wanted to follow the will of the people. As you should know by now - after all, it's been stated here more than enough - MPs are obliged to vote for what they believe to be in the best interests of the country. If the deal before them is not, in their opinion, in the best interests of the country, they are duty-bound to vote against it. |
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19th October 2019, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 03:50 PM) Why is anyone who disagrees with you called names and a troll? You call Vidcapper a moron too now. Are there two of you? I'm sure someone with the same user name posted something insulting John Bercow just a few minutes ago. |
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19th October 2019, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 19 2019, 03:54 PM) As you should know by now - after all, it's been stated here more than enough - MPs are obliged to vote for what they believe to be in the best interests of the country. If the deal before them is not, in their opinion, in the best interests of the country, they are duty-bound to vote against it. This. 51% and 17 out of 65 million and 20% youth support does not werrl erf perperrl (a Nazi expression btw) make. |
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19th October 2019, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 19 2019, 03:55 PM) Are there two of you? I'm sure someone with the same user name posted something insulting John Bercow just a few minutes ago. No just one of me. I don't need socks to put my points across. |
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19th October 2019, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 19 2019, 03:54 PM) As you should know by now - after all, it's been stated here more than enough - MPs are obliged to vote for what they believe to be in the best interests of the country. If the deal before them is not, in their opinion, in the best interests of the country, they are duty-bound to vote against it. Then they suffer the consequences of pissing off Leave voters. |
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19th October 2019, 02:59 PM
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I Just had a thought. If the EU want this to pass then shouldn't the EU think it's best to refuse an extension? If it was the deal or no deal surely it would pass.
Hopefully Boris is on the phone to them all to point this out. Doesn't matter which one vetos it so long as they do. They could even announce before midnight that no letter is needed as there will be no extension as they've reached a perfectly good deal. This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 19th October 2019, 03:05 PM |
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19th October 2019, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 19 2019, 03:57 PM) Then they suffer the consequences of pissing off Leave voters. If MPs want to avoid pissing off voters, they are in the wrong job. |
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19th October 2019, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 19 2019, 02:57 PM) Then they suffer the consequences of pissing off Leave voters. whose irritation is not worth making the country intentionally poorer. History will judge any who do so harshly. |
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19th October 2019, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Tones and Iz @ Oct 19 2019, 04:02 PM) whose irritation is not worth making the country intentionally poorer. History will judge any who do so harshly. History will also judge those who frustrate the will of the people when two successive PM's even recognised the need to implement it. |
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19th October 2019, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 19 2019, 04:00 PM) If MPs want to avoid pissing off voters, they are in the wrong job. Good point!  Seriously though, how many MP's are gonna put the country ahead of their jobs? Given what an unscrupulous bunch they are, not many I suspect! |
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19th October 2019, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 19 2019, 03:57 PM) Then they suffer the consequences of pissing off Leave voters. Ooh dear! Let's quake in our boots at the threats of some right wing fascists on twitter and old people with zimmers. Put the deal through nad piss off FAR YOUNGER FAR MORE NUMEROUS remainers. 1 million marchers v 20 people marching from Sunderland. 6 million petition vs 200k Brexshit one. Lolololol. I guess we should appease fascists and do everything to please them in the face of their threats unlike um ANY OTHER TIME IN HISTORY EXCEPT THE WEAKEST MOMENTS UNDER CHAMBERLAIN?! |
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19th October 2019, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(Tones and Iz @ Oct 19 2019, 04:02 PM) whose irritation is not worth making the country intentionally poorer. History will judge any who do so harshly. Based on what is no more than a *claim* by Remainers? 
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19th October 2019, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 03:03 PM) History will also judge those who frustrate the will of the people when two successive PM's even recognised the need to implement it. No, they won't. Historians aren't partisan, nor would they be so tunnel-visioned. The likely conclusion would be that it was a giant mistake to call the referendum in the first place. |
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19th October 2019, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 19 2019, 04:04 PM) Put the deal through nad piss off FAR YOUNGER FAR MORE NUMEROUS remainers. How many of those didn't bother to even vote in the referendum? Yes some weren't 18 but a lot were. |
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19th October 2019, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 03:49 PM) It was a non-binding referendum as you keep reminding me yet MP's voted for May to start proceeding by invoking A50. Two successive PM's have wanted to follow the will of the people. The will of the people has lost all meaning when half of the country doesn't want this. The will of the people would have been to negotiate a deal that at least resembled what was promised during the referendum. The most extreme version of Brexit is not the will of the people. |
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19th October 2019, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 19 2019, 04:06 PM) Based on what is no more than a *claim* by Remainers? Based on statistics and experts. You should listen to them more than Tim who reads the daily mail x And can people stop quoting the troll trolling with that Nazi phrase please? Thanks. Werrl errf perperrrrel. |
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19th October 2019, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Oct 19 2019, 04:08 PM) The will of the people has lost all meaning when half of the country doesn't want this. The will of the people would have been to negotiate a deal that at least resembled what was promised during the referendum. The most extreme version of Brexit is not the will of the people. Did you listen to Boris speaking at 9.40 am? He said it's a great deal. Jobs and industry will be protected. He has also promised that to worried MP's. This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 19th October 2019, 03:11 PM |
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19th October 2019, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 19 2019, 04:04 PM) Good point! Seriously though, how many MP's are gonna put the country ahead of their jobs? Given what an unscrupulous bunch they are, not many I suspect! Judging by the article in her name in today's i, not Nicky Morgan. I'm not sure whether she actually read the article which was clearly written by Dominic Cummings. |
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19th October 2019, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 19 2019, 03:06 PM) Based on what is no more than a *claim* by Remainers? The burden of proof should be on those wishing to make such a fundamental change. Yet we have seen no indications even remotely that any version of Brexit, much less anything like this current deal, will be an improvement, and prominent Brexiters have been silent on the matter or have made appeals to democracy instead of extolling the benefits of Brexit. If it were such a good proposition, surely some concrete economic signs would have emerged. In fact the opposite has happened. Weak pound, sub-par deals talked up by non-EU trading partners, all projections to being a sick man of Europe and plaything of the Americans. |
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