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 19th October 2019, 09:06 PM
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 Weak piece of shit. Lying down in front of bulldozers all over again. Our msm is complicit in obsessing over his lies and tresting it like a will they, won't they thing. |
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19th October 2019, 09:08 PM
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He has apparently sent two. The second one is unsigned and instead says "the big boys made me do it"
It's disgraceful if we get another extension. One MP has said we may be still discussing this in 5 years time. This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 19th October 2019, 09:09 PM |
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19th October 2019, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 09:59 PM)  I don't know if any of you watched Boris being questioned by MP's this morning but he was asked if he can assure the house and the country that any trade deals in the future with other countries or with the EU will be as good as and on similar terms as we have now with the eu. He said yes of course they will be. And how do you think he will manage to get a deal with the EU as good as the one we currently have. Just in case you've forgotten, that deal means tariff-free trade with seamless movement of goods between the UK and the rest of the EU. Methinks it might be a little tricky to match that deal. |
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19th October 2019, 09:11 PM
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From BBC news:
Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU by 00:00 BST to request a Brexit delay - but he will not sign it, according to a Downing Street source. The request will be accompanied by a second letter, signed by Mr Johnson, which will say he believes that a delay would be a mistake, the source said. The PM was required by law to ask the EU for an extension to the 31 October deadline after losing a Commons vote. It is expected Donald Tusk will now consult EU leaders about an extension. The first letter from Downing Street to Mr Tusk, EU Council President, requests a delay to the Brexit process, to comply with the so-called Benn Act, passed last month by MPs. A hard copy and email copy of the letter will be conveyed by Sir Tim Barrow, the UK's representative in Brussels. But according to the senior Number 10 source, the prime minister will not sign the letter to Mr Tusk and it will be accompanied by two additional documents. |
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19th October 2019, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 09:59 PM) I don't know if any of you watched Boris being questioned by MP's this morning but he was asked if he can assure the house and the country that any trade deals in the future with other countries or with the EU will be as good as and on similar terms as we have now with the eu. He said yes of course they will be. Lying once again. The US want concessions regarding food standards and for their pharmaceutical companies to have better access to the NHS. Japan wants terms more favourable than they currently have with the EU. India wants large concessions for a trade deal, particularly regarding potential freedom of movement regarding students. Pretty much every country the EU has trade deals with want even better terms, given the terrible and desparate position the UK will be in - including Australia/New Zealand. The UK is going to be in a very vunerable position post-brexit unless a deal that keeps us in the single market/custom union with the EU occurs. I mean just look at how badly brexit negotiations have gone so far.  Trade negotiations are way more complicated than the withdrawal agreement with the EU and we'd have to do them with many, many countries in the event of no single market access/custom union with the EU.
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19th October 2019, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 09:59 PM) I don't know if any of you watched Boris being questioned by MP's this morning but he was asked if he can assure the house and the country that any trade deals in the future with other countries or with the EU will be as good as and on similar terms as we have now with the eu. He said yes of course they will be. That’s outwith the scope of his competence. He has no control over what other countries will offer us and so this is nothing but a complete lie. Believing it says more about you than anything else |
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19th October 2019, 09:15 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Why is that troll repwating pro Bojo pro government propaganda? Who needs Russian bots when you have trolls like these?
A tiny little country without autarchy cannot get deals as good as an entire continent. Sigh. |
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19th October 2019, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 10:11 PM) From BBC news: Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU by 00:00 BST to request a Brexit delay - but he will not sign it, according to a Downing Street source. The request will be accompanied by a second letter, signed by Mr Johnson, which will say he believes that a delay would be a mistake, the source said. The PM was required by law to ask the EU for an extension to the 31 October deadline after losing a Commons vote. It is expected Donald Tusk will now consult EU leaders about an extension. The first letter from Downing Street to Mr Tusk, EU Council President, requests a delay to the Brexit process, to comply with the so-called Benn Act, passed last month by MPs. A hard copy and email copy of the letter will be conveyed by Sir Tim Barrow, the UK's representative in Brussels. But according to the senior Number 10 source, the prime minister will not sign the letter to Mr Tusk and it will be accompanied by two additional documents. I’m so excited to see him being arrested after being found in contempt of court Of course if he doesn’t want the Scottish court breathing down his neck he could put a motion forward for the revocation of the Act of Union 1707 |
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19th October 2019, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 10:08 PM) It's disgraceful if we get another extension. One MP has said we may be still discussing this in 5 years time. I don't think it's disgraceful at all. Talks were always going to be long and very complicated. An extension ensures the deal gets proper scrutiny and in the event of it getting accepted, will give enough time for legislation to be passed to ensure it is enacted upon and that we don't "accidentally" leave with a no-deal. The EU are very likely to approve an extension, as they want to avoid a no deal at all costs. No matter what Macron says, he will likely agree to an extension. I mean if he was to refuse and be the cause of a no deal brexit, he certainly wouldn't be doing himself any favours as it would not only cause damage to the UK economy, but to the EU economy as well. This post has been edited by Envoirment: 19th October 2019, 09:19 PM |
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19th October 2019, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Oct 19 2019, 10:17 PM) I’m so excited to see him being arrested after being found in contempt of court Of course if he doesn’t want the Scottish court breathing down his neck he could put a motion forward for the revocation of the Act of Union 1707 He's sent the letter. No-one said he had to sign it or not send a second one. |
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19th October 2019, 09:27 PM
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I hope the EU gives a year or two year extension, basically allowing for a Corbyn government to come in, negotiate a Norway style model and a that v remain ref.
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19th October 2019, 09:35 PM
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A longer extension would be a good idea. I feel that we may end up with December 2020 as the next deadline, which is in line with the WA extension period. It would take ~6 months to set up and prepare a second referendum. If parties do agree to hold one that is. We'll still be a member of the EU until December 2020 if a deal gets through, perhaps even later (I believe the transition period can be extended by up to four years, so potentially December 2024).
The EU could quite easily pull the rug from under Boris though by agreeing to an indefinite extension - allowing the UK to remain a part of the EU for as long as it takes for Parliament to agree and get through the deal or to hold a second referendum/general election and revoke A50. |
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19th October 2019, 09:42 PM
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They should do that! No more deal or no deals - no time limit. In fact, I think they should change A50 to that after this mess. No deadlines.
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19th October 2019, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 19 2019, 10:27 PM) I hope the EU gives a year or two year extension, basically allowing for a Corbyn government to come in, negotiate a Norway style model and a that v remain ref. Dream on. A Corbyn Government will never come in. |
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19th October 2019, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 19 2019, 10:27 PM) I hope the EU gives a year or two year extension, basically allowing for a Corbyn government to come in, negotiate a Norway style model and a that v remain ref. Sky saying rumours are that it'll be until Dec or Jan 31st. Time for the deal to be agreed by MP's and ratified by the EU27. Plenty of time that. This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 19th October 2019, 09:47 PM |
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19th October 2019, 09:52 PM
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The EU should only grant an extension if the vote passes next week, to just tie up the loose ends. I bet they wait to decide until after the vote then if it passes give a short extension, maybe to the end of the year.
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19th October 2019, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 10:45 PM) Sky saying rumours are that it'll be until Dec or Jan 31st. Time for the deal to be agreed by MP's and ratified by the EU27. Plenty of time that. I hope you will be urging Johnson to stick to his "do or die" promise. |
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19th October 2019, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 10:11 PM) From BBC news: Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU by 00:00 BST to request a Brexit delay - but he will not sign it, according to a Downing Street source. The request will be accompanied by a second letter, signed by Mr Johnson, which will say he believes that a delay would be a mistake, the source said. The PM was required by law to ask the EU for an extension to the 31 October deadline after losing a Commons vote. It is expected Donald Tusk will now consult EU leaders about an extension. The first letter from Downing Street to Mr Tusk, EU Council President, requests a delay to the Brexit process, to comply with the so-called Benn Act, passed last month by MPs. A hard copy and email copy of the letter will be conveyed by Sir Tim Barrow, the UK's representative in Brussels. But according to the senior Number 10 source, the prime minister will not sign the letter to Mr Tusk and it will be accompanied by two additional documents. Another childish stunt from the real Prime Minister, the unelected bureaucrat Dominic Cummings. Do you seriously think this will make MPs more likely to vote for the deal? |
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19th October 2019, 10:01 PM
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Extension until ratification of the deal by all parties is what the EU should offer. No ticking clock. It removes the possibility of a no deal cliff that would be damaging to all and then allows departure on date of UK ratification. Also allows for a ratification via a People’s Vote on our side without needing to request a further extension. Win wins all round really
Parliament can also VONC the c**t and get him out without a risk of an accidental no deal cliff QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 19 2019, 10:19 PM) He's sent the letter. No-one said he had to sign it or not send a second one. You do realise how sad and pathetic that looks right and that it’s all to pander to people like you? Tusk has binned the garbage and has taken note of the extension request. Thank god someone in that room is acting like a grown up. |
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19th October 2019, 10:06 PM
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We have petulant manchild dictators treating with serious European politicians. It's embarrassing. Ban the troll already. We shouldn't have to read pro government hard right propaganda shite on here, through quotes or his shit posts.
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