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 20th October 2019, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 20 2019, 09:45 AM)  LOL! Leave the nonsense to Queef...  There is nothing wrong with demonstrating the absurdity of someone else's argument. The fact is that I don't like a lot of the restrictions central government imposes on local authorities. That doesn't mean I want Brighton & Hove to declare independence. Similarly, none of the (very minor) disadvantages of being in the EU are anywhere near enough to convince me that leaving it is a good idea. |
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20th October 2019, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 20 2019, 10:36 AM) f*** off x All you do is talk shite and run from facts. Vid doesn't swear and name-call and I don't either. |
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20th October 2019, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 20 2019, 09:16 AM) This has not be demonstrated, only *suggested* by Project Fear. Come now, you´re better than still trying to peddle this. It´s been demonstrated by the governments own impact assessments. If you leave a club, you will lose benefits of being in that club. That isn´t speculation. It will happen. In in the case of UK, that will mean higher costs in many areas for many people who already don´t have much money left at the end of the month. Labelling something that is likely to happen as Project Fear just because you don´t like it isn´t helpful to anybody. This post has been edited by mald487: 20th October 2019, 10:08 AM |
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20th October 2019, 10:12 AM
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The important thing that we shouldn't lose sight of here is that, away from all of the childish theatrics, Johnson did what he swore he would not do, he asked the EU for an extension. Materially, Tusk has accepted the main letter as a call for the extension, and that is all that matters. Johnson is a weak, weak Prime Minister who has been completely ineffectual at doing anything he set out to do.
also I think it's hilarious that vidcapper's still peddling the name Project Fear as though it were a shadowy Soros-funded propaganda machine hellbent at keeping the UK under the evil EU. Assessments are real things with real projections that exist, certified by experts. They all say it's not good for the country. And at this point in the procedure, everyone needs to be asking themselves, is Brexit really good for the country? |
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20th October 2019, 10:24 AM
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If it's not good for the country then why have both May and now Boris tried to get a deal to take us out? Could someone answer this please. Why would 2 successive PM's do something that would be bad for the country.
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20th October 2019, 10:29 AM
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Looking at the result of the division on the Letwin amendment yesterday, and given the comments by some (former) Conservative MPs who backed it, I'd say that the Government DOES have the numbers to pass the Withdrawal Act 2.0.
Whether it will next week once the full impact assessments become available, as well as the potential for civil unrest that may erupt in Northern Ireland is by no means clear. ***Please also refrain from personal abuse, this is the final warning*** |
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20th October 2019, 10:29 AM
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I still low key cackle every time i see a brexiteer use project fear knowing that it started life in 2013 about Scotland losing its EU status. Given how much they hate Scottish nationalists, they sure are happy to pinch our slogans
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20th October 2019, 10:34 AM
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A backbench Labour MP, as yet unnamed, will most likely table an amendment to attach a second referendum requirement to Boris's deal. Starmer said this morning that Corbyn will probably have a 3 line whip for his MP's. Conservatives may three line-whip against it. Both DUP and SNP would vote for it. Starmer said the leadership would rather a backbencher table it than themselves.
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20th October 2019, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 20 2019, 11:24 AM) If it's not good for the country then why have both May and now Boris tried to get a deal to take us out? Could someone answer this please. Why would 2 successive PM's do something that would be bad for the country. I answered this question in the previous thread. |
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20th October 2019, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(Harve @ Oct 20 2019, 10:50 AM) The majority of these Labour Brexit deliverers are based around me, in the North Midlands and Yorkshire, as the Brexit vote was very strong here. I live in a Tory-Labour marginal but I'll in effect spoil my vote and go for a no-hoper Green/Lib Dem in the next election (4.5% between them last time) if my Labour candidate is like this. Not sure whether you are Bolsover or not, but Dennis Skinner has confirmed that he will be voting against. |
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20th October 2019, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 20 2019, 11:34 AM) A backbench Labour MP, as yet unnamed, will most likely table an amendment to attach a second referendum requirement to Boris's deal. Starmer said this morning that Corbyn will probably have a 3 line whip for his MP's. Conservatives may three line-whip against it. Both DUP and SNP would vote for it. Starmer said the leadership would rather a backbencher table it than themselves. The whole rainbow coalition is on board, so LibDems, Greens & Plaid will also support. They reckon there’s enough votes for this amendment to pass What that then will do to the current majority for deal -2.0 is anyone’s guess |
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20th October 2019, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 20 2019, 11:24 AM) If it's not good for the country then why have both May and now Boris tried to get a deal to take us out? Could someone answer this please. Why would 2 successive PM's do something that would be bad for the country. Because both cared more about staying in power than they did about Brexit. They overestimated the desire for it and are afraid of losing those votes from Brexiteers. You would have thought the last GE would have opened their eyes on this however. They care not about the country but their own careers. May was able to resign because she knew history would look upon her successor less favourably than even her. |
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20th October 2019, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Oct 20 2019, 11:46 AM) The whole rainbow coalition is on board, so LibDems, Greens & Plaid will also support. They reckon there’s enough votes for this amendment to pass What that then will do to the current majority for deal -2.0 is anyone’s guess I think any 2nd ref. will require the DUP to be on board, but given how the Conservatives have treated them I wouldn't be surprised if they actually were. To them: the Union > Brexit. |
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20th October 2019, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Oct 20 2019, 11:48 AM) I think any 2nd ref. will require the DUP to be on board, but given how the Conservatives have treated them I wouldn't be surprised if they actually were. To them: the Union > Brexit. Reports from last night were that the DUP were so apocalyptic with rage about being sold down the river by the ERG and Tories in general that they were working through making that pivot. Will be an interesting week ahead I reckon. Would be the first time they’re in tune with their wider electorate in a while 
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20th October 2019, 12:11 PM
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The good thing is this v a second referendum and brexshit ends one way or the other.
In fact, I think Mad May's deal should be on the referendum too. We have two hard brexshit negotiated deals with the EU. |
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20th October 2019, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Oct 20 2019, 10:44 AM) Not sure whether you are Bolsover or not, but Dennis Skinner has confirmed that he will be voting against. Staffordshire Moorlands! A bellwether seat since 1979, held by Karen Bradley right now, but was fairly comfortably Labour in the Blair era. The area voted 65% Leave but the Labour vote is majority Remain. I don't want to vote for a Labour MP if they'll turn out like Gareth Snell and Ruth Smeeth next door in Stoke. This post has been edited by Harve: 20th October 2019, 12:57 PM |
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20th October 2019, 02:51 PM
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A full UK-wide CU amendment (tabled by Ken Clarke in April, and just 3 votes short of a majority) might be the most likely outcome next week..
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20th October 2019, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Oct 20 2019, 11:46 AM) Because both cared more about staying in power than they did about Brexit. They overestimated the desire for it and are afraid of losing those votes from Brexiteers. You would have thought the last GE would have opened their eyes on this however. They care not about the country but their own careers. May was able to resign because she knew history would look upon her successor less favourably than even her. No they both really care about DEMOCRACY and getting the will of the people done. I've heard Boris say that in fact. |
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20th October 2019, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Oct 20 2019, 03:51 PM) A full UK-wide CU amendment (tabled by Ken Clarke in April, and just 3 votes short of a majority) might be the most likely outcome next week.. Yes a CU would be fine for me and guess many other Brexiteers too. Anything to get us out ASAP. Has the EU agreed to one though? This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 20th October 2019, 03:12 PM |
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20th October 2019, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 20 2019, 01:11 PM) The good thing is this v a second referendum and brexshit ends one way or the other. In fact, I think Mad May's deal should be on the referendum too. We have two hard brexshit negotiated deals with the EU. The referendum should be this deal or no deal and that way we implement the result of the first one but find out how we want to leave. As someone said on DS earlier, if remain win the second one do you then have the best of three? Why should the result of a second referendum trump the result of the first one? This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 20th October 2019, 03:20 PM |
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