A full UK-wide CU amendment (tabled by Ken Clarke in April, and just 3 votes short of a majority) might be the most likely outcome next week..

The best three options are revoke, 2nd ref, or the softest brexit possible whilst telling the leavers we left lol.

No, Boris's deal is the best.

No, Boris's deal is the best and will hopefully go through tomorrow or this week. Bercow may insist they debate the Queen's Speech tomorrow as planned.

How is it better than May's deal? Johnson himself said that no government would accept a customs border between two parts of the UK. Why has that concept changed from unthinkable to "a great deal"?

Chris´ hard on for Boris is permanent. No point in trying to make him see sense.

It's the best we have AT THE MOMENT.

But it isn’t. Revoke or second referendum are so much better. I don’t know why you’re so desperate to leave so quickly.

Sounds like the EU will extend Article 50 until February 2020 if the deal (e.g. all of the legislation, as per Letwin) is not agreed by the end of this week.

(Source: Sunday Times)

Crucially, that is not enough time for a second referendum.

Sounds like the EU will extend Article 50 until February 2020 if the deal (e.g. all of the legislation, as per Letwin) is not agreed by the end of this week.

(Source: Sunday Times)

Crucially, that is not enough time for a second referendum.

The referendum should be this deal or no deal and that way we implement the result of the first one but find out how we want to leave. As someone said on DS earlier, if remain win the second one do you then have the best of three? Why should the result of a second referendum trump the result of the first one?

Sounds like the EU will extend Article 50 until February 2020 if the deal (e.g. all of the legislation, as per Letwin) is not agreed by the end of this week.

(Source: Sunday Times)

Crucially, that is not enough time for a second referendum.

It’s nothing to do with “trumping” the result of the first one. (Which was actually the second one so a people’s vote would be three of three if we want to go down that route of stupid arguments)

A people’s vote merely confirms that the deal that has been negotiated is something that leavers are happy with. It would be democracy in action because there was no plan, no manifesto, no clue for what happened on June 24th 2016 if we voted leave. Further to that, as previously mentioned every single mouthpiece for the leave campaign said we’d never leave the single market or customs union. Doing exactly that can’t be the “will of the people” if the people were explicitly told it’d never happen.

I keep harping on about 2014 but the difference is stark. We had a 700+ page manual on absolutely everything that would happen. From mundane shit like stamps to serious shit like EU and NATO membership. Every single voter knew exactly what they were voting for and exactly what would happen immediately after a yes vote and over the next 2 years. Brexit didn’t have this, there was no planning or organisation or thought beyond an abstract idea. That’s why it’s been so deeply damaging and why a second referendum now we know what Brexit looks like is the fair and democratic outcome
I’d take Feb 2020 though. Quite happily. That’s enough time for Indyref2 so should be enough time for EURef2. Don’t need a lengthy campaign really seeing as it’s all the country has focused on since 2015

THIS to everything!!

Look, call me a broken record if you like. Am taking the dog out so won't see your replies until later. We had a decisive vote in 2016 where the UK electorate voted to leave the EU. That must be honoured. Ex PM May said that and the current PM says that as well as many MP's. So we have the decision already made to leave the EU. Okay let's now define how we want to leave: Boris's deal, all the detail and fine print explained to the voters with no lies, or NO DEAL. Remain shouldn't come in to it as it was rejected by a million votes in 2016.

when Boris forces you into work, I don’t want to hear you complain. I know you have depression but your naive if you think that makes a difference to him.