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 Oct 22 2019, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Oct 22 2019, 12:01 AM)  There's more chance of you becoming Prime Minister Chris than that happening, let's be honest. I'd shake up this country if I was PM. Think I once posted my Manifesto on DS and got banned for it's contents. 
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Oct 22 2019, 03:05 PM
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The i newspaper mentioned a potential difficulty with a December election ,beyond the fact that it won't be popular with voters. Lots of venues which would normally be used as polling stations and for the count will have been booked for Christmas events months ago. In some places (such as villages) there will be no alternative venues available. Even the portacabins that are often used are more likely to be fully booked.
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Oct 22 2019, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 22 2019, 04:05 PM) The i newspaper mentioned a potential difficulty with a December election ,beyond the fact that it won't be popular with voters. Lots of venues which would normally be used as polling stations and for the count will have been booked for Christmas events months ago. In some places (such as villages) there will be no alternative venues available. Even the portacabins that are often used are more likely to be fully booked. Yeah I posted about that at the weekend. Seems that December would be very difficult. Has there ever been a December election? This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: Oct 22 2019, 03:16 PM |
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Oct 22 2019, 03:20 PM
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Boris's threat to pull the bill has worked on Oliver Letwin who was going to vote against tonight but now says he'll vote for it. Others may follow.
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Oct 22 2019, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 22 2019, 04:20 PM) Boris's threat to pull the bill has worked on Oliver Letwin who was going to vote against tonight but now says he'll vote for it. Others may follow. Another spineless Tory. |
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Oct 22 2019, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 22 2019, 03:47 PM) Anyone who thought this government's arrogance had reached its limit needs to think again. What an absolute TWAT MEGA!! Oh mt GOD! People vote for that?! He obviouslt believes he is a king, born to rule. VILE. |
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Oct 22 2019, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 22 2019, 04:27 PM) Another spineless Tory. No he doesn't want the bill pulled completely. |
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Oct 22 2019, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 22 2019, 04:27 PM) Another spineless Tory. Spineless and weak |
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Oct 22 2019, 04:14 PM
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Downing Street's parliamentary adviser said in the spring that the Withdrawal Bill should get about 20 days' debate in the Commons. Perhaps Johnson (and Letwin) could explain why three days is now sufficient.
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Oct 22 2019, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 22 2019, 05:14 PM) Downing Street's parliamentary adviser said in the spring that the Withdrawal Bill should get about 20 days' debate in the Commons. Perhaps Johnson (and Letwin) could explain why three days is now sufficient. Well maybe, just maybe, and I know you lot here don't understand or want to accept this, they want to carry out the will of the electorate and get us out of the EU by 31st October. Boris wants to keep his promise. Did anyone see the Express headline today? It included the figures "17.4 million" This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: Oct 22 2019, 04:23 PM |
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Oct 22 2019, 04:23 PM
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October 31 is an artificial date.
This is our future. It should be scrutinised effectively rather than rushed through and facing the consequences later when the poorest will be hit hardest. We won't be out of the EU on October 31. There are transitional arrangements. This is just the start of the whole process of leaving. |
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Oct 22 2019, 04:24 PM
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If he wanted a deal, there's no need to pull it for no reason other than an artificial date. This is just a game to him and we are his pawns.
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Oct 22 2019, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(Klaus @ Oct 22 2019, 05:24 PM) If he wanted a deal, there's no need to pull it for no reason other than an artificial date. This is just a game to him and we are his pawns. He'll pull it apparently because he's lost patience with Parliament and I don't blame him. A man can only be pushed too far before he snaps. He's done his best to get a reasonable deal for the country and even some Tory MP's in the debate that I'm listening to now, have said it's better than May's deal. MP's voted to invoke A50 and they've just played about ever since. They don't want a deal but don't want no deal. This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: Oct 22 2019, 04:30 PM |
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Oct 22 2019, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 22 2019, 05:28 PM) He'll pull it apparently because he's lost patience with Parliament and I don't blame him. He's done his best to get a reasonable deal for the country and even some Tory MP's in the debate that I'm listening to now, has said it's better than May's deal. MP's voted to invoke A50 and they've just played about ever since. They don't want a deal but don't want no deal. Well if he's confident in his deal, he should be confident the bill holding up to scrutiny. Are you aware of how Parliament works? It scrutinises legislation, that's its purpose. It has to scrutinise a bill that brings the biggest change to the UK for a long, long time. |
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Oct 22 2019, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(Klaus @ Oct 22 2019, 05:30 PM) Well if he's confident in his deal, he should be confident the bill holding up to scrutiny. Are you aware of how Parliament works? It scrutinises legislation, that's its purpose. It has to scrutinise a bill that brings the biggest change to the UK for a long, long time. Yes I'm quite aware of how it works and Boris thinks that 3 days is ample time to debate this. |
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Oct 22 2019, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 22 2019, 05:33 PM) Yes I'm quite aware of how it works and Boris thinks that 3 days is ample time to debate this. He may think that but we don't live in a dictatorship. Three days is not long enough for something that holds significant consequences that was only published last night. |
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Oct 22 2019, 05:07 PM
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NO TO BOJO'S DICTATOESHIP!! NO TO HIS NAZI PROPAGANDA LINE WERRL ERRF PERRRPLE!! NO TO THE LIE THAT 17.4 MILLION IS A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTEY OE THAT THE NUMBER IS STILL 17.4 MILLION!! NO TO THIS BREXSHIT FOR GHOSTS!
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Oct 22 2019, 05:25 PM
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Haven't heard that before. BREXIT FOR GHOSTS.
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Oct 22 2019, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 22 2019, 05:20 PM) Well maybe, just maybe, and I know you lot here don't understand or want to accept this, they want to carry out the will of the electorate and get us out of the EU by 31st October. Boris wants to keep his promise. Did anyone see the Express headline today? It included the figures "17.4 million" Well maybe, just maybe, you'll actually listen to what people are attempting to explain to you. There is no 'will of the people' when the people are divided as ever. Leavers can't even agree on what they want. Nigel Farage, of all people, doesn't want this deal and would rather delay. The other half of the country is obviously not on board. It's not as simple as you like to pretend. Focus groups show that people think this agreement is the end of Brexit — Brexit doesn't end on the 31 of October either way. 'Get Brexit Done' is purposefully misleading and there is a complete misunderstanding of the situation — it's simply the beginning of a transition period. This agreement isn't even as complex as future trade negotiations will be. The entire premise of a confirmatory vote is that it would very decisively decide what the people actually want. There would be no room for interpretation. People are more informed. It's not democracy to force something through that such a large number of the country don't want — including leavers themselves. I would accept it if the people actually voted for this deal, but they haven't. I know — it has been years (if the government had a more centrist approach from the beginning then this wouldn't be happening), but this bill has existed for just a few days. MPs only received it last night. There has been no economic assessment released. The most important decision for generations shouldn't be decided in less time than how to handle salmon in suspicious circumstances. This post has been edited by blacksquare: Oct 22 2019, 05:36 PM |
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Oct 22 2019, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 22 2019, 05:20 PM) Well maybe, just maybe, and I know you lot here don't understand or want to accept this, they want to carry out the will of the electorate and get us out of the EU by 31st October. Boris wants to keep his promise. Did anyone see the Express headline today? It included the figures "17.4 million" And maybe, just maybe, it would be a good idea to get it right. |
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