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 22nd October 2019, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE(Liаm @ Oct 22 2019, 07:37 PM)  Taxi for Boris  Taxi for Boris!! Stop brexshit now!! The people want to remain x |
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22nd October 2019, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE(Klaus @ Oct 22 2019, 07:38 PM) Can you explain the rationale behind this (without using propoganda buzz words regurgitated from the Conservatives/Brexit party) when Johnson has just won his first vote where MPs backed the deal at the first stage. He's paused the bill to no doubt try to persuade the EU not to give an extension. I don't agree with him pausing it at all when they could be discussing it tomorrow. Bad mistake Boris lad. He's acting like a petulant child as the timetable went against what he wanted. This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 22nd October 2019, 06:46 PM |
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22nd October 2019, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 22 2019, 07:37 PM) MP's just voted for the deal though Michael but they wanted longer to scrutinise the detail We're leaving eventually. Get over it. Whilst voting for the deal is a first, that's only the first part of the process. If MPs find that after scrutinizing and amending the bill there are aspects of it they do not like, then they can reject the deal even if they have just voted for it now. This post has been edited by Envoirment: 22nd October 2019, 06:41 PM |
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22nd October 2019, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ Oct 22 2019, 07:40 PM) Whilst voting for the deal is a first, that's only the first part of the process. If MPs find that after scrutinizing and amending the bill, that there are aspects of it they do not like, then they can reject the deal even if they have just voted for it now. Yes I know that but it's a good start nevertheless. |
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22nd October 2019, 06:44 PM
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Time for brexshit to end. Time to revoke and remain.
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22nd October 2019, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(Michael Myers @ Oct 22 2019, 07:44 PM) Time for brexshit to end. Time to revoke and remain. There's no majority amongst MP's to revoke Michael. We must leave eventually. |
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22nd October 2019, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 22 2019, 07:41 PM) Yes I know that but it's a good start nevertheless. This is just the Withdrawal Agreement though. You do realise negotiations on trade, security, fishing, education, immigration etc etc will have to go through this process. Trade talks are many times more complicated than what the WA is. Particularly if the government want to negotiate a UK-EU specific deal (if the UK doesn't opt for Customs Union/Single Market access ala Norway). We're likely in for a decade or more of talks with the EU once the WA is agreed upon and enrshrined in law - barring the revoking of Article 50. |
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22nd October 2019, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ Oct 22 2019, 07:46 PM) This is just the Withdrawal Agreement though. You do realise negotiations on trade, security, fishing, education, immigration etc etc will have to go through this process. Trade talks are many times more complicated than what the WA is. Particularly if the government want to negotiate a UK-EU specific deal (if the UK doesn't opt for Customs Union/Single Market access ala Norway). We're likely in for a decade or more of talks with the EU once the WA is agreed upon and enrshrined in law - barring the revoking of Article 50. I do know all that. I just want us out. Don't care if it takes 20 years. In the meantime we'll get some great deals with other countries too. We'll end up with more trade deals than we can even fulfil. |
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22nd October 2019, 06:50 PM
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This Deal is never getting through the current Parliment as when it's properly scrutinised most MPs will just see it as a backdoor to No Deal, especially under this current cabinet.
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22nd October 2019, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 22 2019, 07:48 PM) I do know all that. I just want us out. Don't care if it takes 20 years. In the meantime we'll get some great deals with other countries too. We'll end up with more trade deals than we can even fulfil. Care to name those countries? |
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22nd October 2019, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Oct 22 2019, 07:50 PM) This Deal is never getting through the current Parliment as when it's properly scrutinised most MPs will just see it as a backdoor to No Deal, especially under this current cabinet. Well then it'll be a GE and majority for Boris who'll campaign on the platform of being thwarted at every attempt to get out of the EU. |
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22nd October 2019, 06:54 PM
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DOUBLE POST AGAIN.
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22nd October 2019, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ Oct 22 2019, 07:50 PM) Care to name those countries? US, Canada, Japan, China etc etc. |
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22nd October 2019, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Oct 22 2019, 07:50 PM) This Deal is never getting through the current Parliment as when it's properly scrutinised most MPs will just see it as a backdoor to No Deal, especially under this current cabinet. Fantastic news! That's basically what this atrocious, worse than Mad May's, deal is. I can only see a Labour/ coalition government and a second referendum OR a Norway model route out if this mess. Bojo the clown and Cummings aren't capable of a piss up at a brewery, even with the entirw media on side. |
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22nd October 2019, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(Michael Myers @ Oct 22 2019, 07:57 PM) Fantastic news! That's just one poster's opinion Michael. |
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22nd October 2019, 07:24 PM
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Labour MP Kate Hoey really is an oddball- voted against the deal but for the government timetable.
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22nd October 2019, 07:29 PM
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19 Labour rebels. 19 to kick out the party.
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22nd October 2019, 07:34 PM
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Lots of rumblings from EU that they’ll comply with the Benn Act regardless of what Boris says. Lot of anger in the EU tonight at Boris for pausing the bill. Across Europe there is sympathy with what parli did tonight because they fully understand needing a proper chance to scrutinise legislation and go through the democratic process.
EU quite irritated but not with parliament is crucial. They’ll back an extension to allow parliament to get to work as it has indicated it wishes to |
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22nd October 2019, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Oct 22 2019, 08:34 PM) Lots of rumblings from EU that they’ll comply with the Benn Act regardless of what Boris says. Lot of anger in the EU tonight at Boris for pausing the bill. Across Europe there is sympathy with what parli did tonight because they fully understand needing a proper chance to scrutinise legislation and go through the democratic process. EU quite irritated but not with parliament is crucial. They’ll back an extension to allow parliament to get to work as it has indicated it wishes to Well it's true though isn't it.. the October 31st deadline is purely a strategic movement for a general election. This is an absolutely monumental descision and giving people a few days and no economic risk assessment is just f***ing ridiculous. These people don't care about anyone that is voting for them. Basically pushing something through which is going to make us all poorer. Honestly, the naivety in some people is ridiculous. Their lives will be no different on November 1st regardless of what happens, there's no going to be a magic money tree which grows. |
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22nd October 2019, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Oct 22 2019, 08:34 PM) Lots of rumblings from EU that they’ll comply with the Benn Act regardless of what Boris says. Lot of anger in the EU tonight at Boris for pausing the bill. Across Europe there is sympathy with what parli did tonight because they fully understand needing a proper chance to scrutinise legislation and go through the democratic process. EU quite irritated but not with parliament is crucial. They’ll back an extension to allow parliament to get to work as it has indicated it wishes to Two months to Dec.31st should be enough though? |
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