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post Dec 6 2019, 05:27 PM
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Does it not exhaust you forcing yourself to play devil’s advocate 24/7?

If you don’t want politicians to be held to account, that’s fine. Vote Conservative on 12 December and they can attempt to remove judicial review of their decisions too.
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post Dec 6 2019, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(Santa Klaus @ Dec 6 2019, 05:27 PM) *
Does it not exhaust you forcing yourself to play devil’s advocate 24/7?

If you don’t want politicians to be held to account, that’s fine. Vote Conservative on 12 December and they can attempt to remove judicial review of their decisions too.


Their decisions are reviewed by the *electorate*, that's what's gonna happen on Dec 12th.
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post Dec 6 2019, 05:56 PM
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And like I have said, given the deception, lies and one party state-style media, this election is hardly a shining example of democracy. Sorry.
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post Dec 6 2019, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(vidsanta @ Dec 6 2019, 05:53 PM) *
Their decisions are reviewed by the *electorate*, that's what's gonna happen on Dec 12th.

Thanks for not understanding the rule of law.
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post Dec 6 2019, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(December Dong @ Dec 6 2019, 05:56 PM) *
And like I have said, given the deception, lies and one party state-style media, this election is hardly a shining example of democracy. Sorry.


Will that still apply if Labour pull off a shock win? teresa.gif
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post Dec 6 2019, 07:01 PM
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Not as much due to them not being the perpetrators, but yes. The Brexshit Party is running on a platform of: we have a manifesto, but we won't reveal it until after you've voted for us. Farage gets way too much airtime for having 0 seats - the Greens should get more than him. Yhat's bad. The media cheerleading the Tories on and attacking the opposition is even worse. Democracy? Hmm.
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post Dec 6 2019, 07:45 PM
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Not BBC bias but a general state of the media bias. Labour’s 20,000 more teachers/training more teachers pledge was reported by the BBC, Independent, i, Mirror and the Guardian.

I cannot find it in Daily Mail or The Sun. It is only mentioned in the Daily Express as part of reporting a criticism from BBC Breakfast.
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post Dec 7 2019, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE(vidsanta @ Dec 6 2019, 05:13 PM) *
Than what is the point, to embarrass party leaders? unsure.gif


Did you listen to Neill?

It's democratic to come on and defend your policies and principles against the media.
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More great journalism from Laura Kuenssberg this evening:


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post Dec 9 2019, 06:04 PM
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The fact that that Kuenssberg gets paid 200k a year to peddle her crap is just heinous.

Ten times the average national yearly salary to speak shite and tell lies for ad clicks, while wearing the mask of an impartial political reporter just telling the truth.

Everyone on all sides should be concerned about that.
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post Dec 9 2019, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(JingleBellJüpes @ Dec 9 2019, 06:04 PM) *
The fact that that Kuenssberg gets paid 200k a year to peddle her crap is just heinous.

Ten times the average national yearly salary to speak shite and tell lies for ad clicks, while wearing the mask of an impartial political reporter just telling the truth.

Everyone on all sides should be concerned about that.


Remember when Naga Munchetty broke impartiality rules with her comments regarding Trump and racism... How has Laura Kuenssberg managed to avoid the same? She regularly spreads disinformation, Tory propaganda, and has a clear bias in one direction. Disinformation, directly from a BBC journalist, is the top story on the Mail and Telegraph. It's ridiculous.

Local journalists have been reporting circles around the mainstream journalists this election.


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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Dec 9 2019, 06:00 PM) *
More great journalism from Laura Kuenssberg this evening:



Kuenssberg is now reporting that "Labour say" the Tories are lying. Note that she didn't qualify her report about the alleged assault in the same way. So, a blatant lie is reported as fact and the truth is reported as a Labour claim. She is, of course, not saying where the original claim came from. I'm normally all in favour of journalists being allowed to protect their sources, but not when those sources use the BBC to spread a blatant, potentially defamatory, lie.
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She needs to go. She should just go work for the tories. At least then she won't have to lie about being impartial.
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post Dec 9 2019, 09:28 PM
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I don't even watch BBC News anymore - no journalism just 'churnalism'. Absolutely awful - IF the Tories end up with a healthy majority I will not be that upset should they decide to scrap the licence fee and cut the whole thing back.
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post Dec 9 2019, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Dec 9 2019, 09:28 PM) *
I don't even watch BBC News anymore - no journalism just 'churnalism'. Absolutely awful - IF the Tories end up with a healthy majority I will not be that upset should they decide to scrap the licence fee and cut the whole thing back.



Scrapping the licence fee is needed. It's outdated and the BBC should take advertising like other channels do.
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Scrapping the licence fee is needed. It's outdated and the BBC should take advertising like other channels do.

And where is all that advertising income going to come from? If the BBC have to take advertising, that won't suddenly increase the amount spent on television advertising, it will just mean it gets spread across more channels. Besides, I'd prefer to be able to watch programmes without five minutes of adverts every ten minutes.
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If the licence fee is scrapped (which I don't think is immediately forthcoming, regardless of who wins on Friday), I imagine its replacement will be a subscription-based service in order to use the BBC iPlayer. Given that less people are watching the BBC live than in the past, and given that many people already pay the fee monthly a la Netflix, Crunchyroll and the like (as I do), I imagine a significant amount of people would switch over without a fuss.
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post Dec 9 2019, 11:04 PM
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I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about the licence fee but I would welcome its replacement with an iPlayer subscription service.. certainly would be a much more sensible solution than this new 'BritBox' streaming service where you pay for both the TV licence, and then again for this subscription service?
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post Dec 10 2019, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Dec 9 2019, 11:04 PM) *
I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about the licence fee but I would welcome its replacement with an iPlayer subscription service.. certainly would be a much more sensible solution than this new 'BritBox' streaming service where you pay for both the TV licence, and then again for this subscription service?

So goodbye BBC Introducing and any commitment to promote new music. Goodbye innovations such as Bake Off and Only Connect.

Just because the BBC’s journalism stinks at the moment, that’s no reason to destroy the whole institution.
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post Dec 10 2019, 06:06 PM
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory...PvA5I7pPpKPQans

The BBTory isn't screaming outrage over this. Selective media outrage = more bias.
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