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crazy chris
post 4th January 2020, 01:33 PM
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I think there's two sides to this. Yes the man was supposedly very evil and responsible for allegedly a lot of deaths and a threat to America. The world is probably a safer place without him. However it's reported that Trump took the decision himself, against the advice of some of his generals. who were reportedly fairly split on this. He assumes Iran won't do much but just sabre-rattle a bit. Let's hope he's right. The US has advised all Americans to leave Iraq as soon as possible according to Sky as they are in danger. US Embassies in the region are being given extra troops to protect them.

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post 4th January 2020, 01:55 PM
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Very interesting Twitter thread.


https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1213421769777909761
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post 5th January 2020, 06:28 AM
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QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Jan 4 2020, 12:36 PM) *
That's what I'm talking about.

Twitter (for instance) is awash with people who want him to meet his demise, so it's not accurate to say that "no one wants him killed".


True - but Twitter is not the most reliable gauge of overall public opinion. rolleyes.gif

FWIW, I don't think this assassination was the wisest move, though. thinking.gif


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post 5th January 2020, 07:46 AM
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Trump's tough talking Tweet last night.


Iran is talking very boldly about targeting certain USA assets as revenge for our ridding the world of their terrorist leader who had just killed an American, & badly wounded many others, not to mention all of the people he had killed over his lifetime, including recently....
....hundreds of Iranian protesters. He was already attacking our Embassy, and preparing for additional hits in other locations. Iran has been nothing but problems for many years. Let this serve as a WARNING that if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets, we have.....
....targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD. The USA wants no more threats!
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post 5th January 2020, 07:50 AM
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The fact that he's threatened targets important to Iranian culture is said to be very worrying. I don't think he's bluffing either. He doesn't strike me as a President to mess with.
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post 5th January 2020, 08:26 AM
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He's a daft eejit who could do with growing up. & he's happy to risk his people's safety because all evidence points to him having never given a fig about anyone in his life except slim possibly his daughter Ivanka. He's basically inviting a second 9/11 in retribution.
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post 5th January 2020, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(Jüpiter👑 @ Jan 5 2020, 08:26 AM) *
He's a daft eejit who could do with growing up. & he's happy to risk his people's safety because all evidence points to him having never given a fig about anyone in his life except slim possibly his daughter Ivanka. He's basically inviting a second 9/11 in retribution.



Surely if they kill any Americans he'd be right to hit back? I'd hit back very hard! Don't know about you. It'll be Iran escalating things now and the next move is theirs.


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post 5th January 2020, 10:03 AM
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@realDonaldTrump

The United States just spent Two Trillion Dollars on Military Equipment. We are the biggest and by far the BEST in the World! If Iran attacks an American Base, or any American, we will be sending some of that brand new beautiful equipment their way...and without hesitation!
5:11 am · 5 Jan 2020


Looks like he's not listening to Raab's pleas for both sides to de-escalate the tension. ohmy.gif


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post 5th January 2020, 10:18 AM
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And still not a word from our so-called Prime Minister.
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post 5th January 2020, 10:32 AM
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Cowardice. When America commits illegal acts... suddenly it's fine because the attackers are white and speak English?

Raab has further called this an 'act of self-defense'. He might want to look at which country this happened in and whether that country is Trump's country.

There's a very real concern in my eyes that this legitimises political assassination under international law unless sanctions are taken.
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post 5th January 2020, 10:33 AM
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And still not a word from our so-called Prime Minister.


Is there any answer he could give that wouldn't make things worse?
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post 5th January 2020, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 5 2020, 10:33 AM) *
Is there any answer he could give that wouldn't make things worse?


I mean, this is precisely it. He can't call out America because he's put himself in a position where it's not a good idea to criticise them. If he looks like he's supportive then everyone starts thinking of 2003 and phrases like 'America's lapdog' even more than they're doing now.

It is a bit of an unenviable position but at least coming out with a safe 'he was bad man but this might have overstepped international law, we condemn violence, hope for deescalation' would look a bit better than silence because he's just been on holiday - look at what that did to Morrison in Australia.
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post 5th January 2020, 12:00 PM
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I mean let's be honest, the reason for the quiet from Johnson is largely because unsurprisingly we're in the dark. The USA are supposedly one of our biggest allies yet imo it's pretty clear that we were only briefed either as it was happening or after it happened. Now as much as I dislike this Tory cabinet, I'd largely say the majority of them want to avoid a war and provately feel the act commited by the USA was pretty reckless. But we're in a situation now where we have our balls on a stick if we want a "magnificent" trade deal.

if anything this act just proves to me that other countries have us by the balls, we need them more than they need us so it's going to be difficult to flex our nationalism on the larger stage.
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post 5th January 2020, 12:09 PM
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A simple message echoing what every other Western leader has set out would have done nicely, perhaps more ambiguously worded so as not to offer support outright.

No doubt though those in charge of the UK, who've already proved themselves callous towards innocent citizens, especially the poor, will end up treating this like a RPG and open up the British public to a direct retaliation attack from Iran. Just because they can't keep their mouths shut and play the diplomacy game like everyone else is doing.
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post 5th January 2020, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ Jan 3 2020, 05:32 AM) *


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Just seen the date, oops.


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post 5th January 2020, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jan 5 2020, 12:00 PM) *
I mean let's be honest, the reason for the quiet from Johnson is largely because unsurprisingly we're in the dark. The USA are supposedly one of our biggest allies yet imo it's pretty clear that we were only briefed either as it was happening or after it happened. Now as much as I dislike this Tory cabinet, I'd largely say the majority of them want to avoid a war and provately feel the act commited by the USA was pretty reckless. But we're in a situation now where we have our balls on a stick if we want a "magnificent" trade deal.

if anything this act just proves to me that other countries have us by the balls, we need them more than they need us so it's going to be difficult to flex our nationalism on the larger stage.



QUOTE(Jüpiter👑 @ Jan 5 2020, 12:09 PM) *
A simple message echoing what every other Western leader has set out would have done nicely, perhaps more ambiguously worded so as not to offer support outright.

No doubt though those in charge of the UK, who've already proved themselves callous towards innocent citizens, especially the poor, will end up treating this like a RPG and open up the British public to a direct retaliation attack from Iran. Just because they can't keep their mouths shut and play the diplomacy game like everyone else is doing.

Exactly. I doubt Merkel or Macron knew any more in advance than Johnson did. Trump doesn't do consultation. I assume Turkey's president Erdogan was also not told even though they are also in NATO and share a border with Iraq. It should be noted that Iraq also have good reason to be extremely angry at this attack.

Both Merkel and Macron have made a statement even if they haven't said a great deal. Johnson has still said precisely nothing. As others have said elsewhere, Johnson desperately wanted to win the job of PM. He just seems rather less inclined actually to DO it.
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post 5th January 2020, 03:30 PM
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Seems as if the Foreign Secretary was the UK's spokesperson this morning, on Sky and Marr too. No need for Boris to speak really.
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post 5th January 2020, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 5 2020, 03:30 PM) *
Seems as if the Foreign Secretary was the UK's spokesperson this morning, on Sky and Marr too. No need for Boris to speak really.



Sweet jesus give it a rest

He is the Prime Minister, he absolutely should of have said something. It's an awkward position but a carefully worded statement from him should have been a given.
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post 5th January 2020, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 5 2020, 03:30 PM) *
Seems as if the Foreign Secretary was the UK's spokesperson this morning, on Sky and Marr too. No need for Boris to speak really.

That might have been vaguely acceptable if the Foreign Secretary was someone of stature who commanded respect. Unfortunately, it is a man who didn't know that Dover-Calais was an important trade route.
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post 5th January 2020, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 5 2020, 07:47 PM) *
That might have been vaguely acceptable if the Foreign Secretary was someone of stature who commanded respect. Unfortunately, it is a man who didn't know that Dover-Calais was an important trade route.



Well Emily Thornberry said she spoke "for the entire country" when she said we shouldn't join the US in any conflict. How can she possibly know that? Better to say nothing than talk crap like that.
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