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 16th July 2020, 06:07 AM
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I love RKTVS, the best he looked for a long time and a long time after. Great songs, Electric Proms. good times. I also liked his way as a 'star' in that time than a lot of what he did the last years. I wonder what kind of 'crown' he has these days. I don't see Olly as a huge star. He might be in the UK, but lost his fans over here he mainly had in NL and Germany. Ed Sheeran can do no wrong, but also is beyond his peak and Sam is special. Robbie: in some parts he is a legend. In some magazine they spoke about people fainting and the commentor said "Robbie Williams" is used to it and it was a medical report. If you use these comparisons it shows that they assume people understand. (I also don't think that so many faint with Ed). But I also see that aside of some songs he had been too much mainstream than to be accepted as legend yet. They said in Holland when Ringo turned 80: He only is knighted late and got never the acceptance Paul and John had...as he was more acting as a clown. I sometimes feel that this is Robbies fate.
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16th July 2020, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(elisabeth1974 @ Jul 16 2020, 07:07 AM)  I love RKTVS, the best he looked for a long time and a long time after. Great songs, Electric Proms. good times. I also liked his way as a 'star' in that time than a lot of what he did the last years. I wonder what kind of 'crown' he has these days. I don't see Olly as a huge star. He might be in the UK, but lost his fans over here he mainly had in NL and Germany. Ed Sheeran can do no wrong, but also is beyond his peak and Sam is special. Robbie: in some parts he is a legend. In some magazine they spoke about people fainting and the commentor said "Robbie Williams" is used to it and it was a medical report. If you use these comparisons it shows that they assume people understand. (I also don't think that so many faint with Ed). But I also see that aside of some songs he had been too much mainstream than to be accepted as legend yet. They said in Holland when Ringo turned 80: He only is knighted late and got never the acceptance Paul and John had...as he was more acting as a clown. I sometimes feel that this is Robbies fate. I agree with you Elizabeth, all that clowning around does not help & people do not take him seriously but that is the way he is like it or not. I happen to think he is quite a shrewd business man & knows what he is doing & it works for him most times . I find his close association with LMA very interestiing , wonder what his input will be , will it be hands on |
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16th July 2020, 11:08 PM
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I thought the same about the LMA deal - it shows a new direction.
He undoubtedly is a smart man who can spot bullshit at a 100 paces. Also his constant search for new things to occupy that mind of his means that he is always moving forward at speed. His inability to take himself seriously does rub off on others I think. But that's his smoke screen isn't it. |
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17th July 2020, 06:12 AM
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Agree with you and I also think that he is no one to waste money nevertheless tries new things. And his mind is fast...I only don't think that the broad public who should buy the albums aside of the hardcore fans can follow him. You have a stamp. You saw it with TT taking risk the last years too: People do not want too much risk from 'their' popstars. The same is the case with Robbie. People (not the fans) want the Angels and Feel Robbie with a slight badboy touch and some sex (the reason being married costs him fans). I know very few stars if musician or actor who managed a turn around from the image which was imprinted in people's minds
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17th July 2020, 06:57 AM
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I did not know that Vaughan Arnell directed the Take That video 'Back For Good'
  We Weren't Out To Shock People': Rock DJ Director Vaughan Arnell On Making Robbie Williams' Outrageous Video It's been 20 years since the all-singing, all-dancing, all-stripping, all-vital-organ-eating video made its debut. By the turn of the millennium, Robbie Williams had well and truly cemented his place as one of the brightest stars on the British music scene. With his Take That days long behind him, Robbie entered the year 2000 having released two hit albums and scored two solo number one singles, the aptly-titled Millennium and She’s The One, not to mention his first Brit Award win as a solo act. So when it came to his first output of the new millennium, the chart-topping singer started as he meant to go on, by shocking absolutely everyone. Rock DJ served as the lead single from singer’s third album, Sing When You’re Winning, and quickly topped the UK charts, bagging him his third number one. However, it’s the song’s outrageous music video that people probably remember best. The horrifying/hilarious (delete as applicable) clip sees Robbie entering a roller disco, and quickly trying to bag the attention of the DJ. His dancing, posing and stripping fail him, and he only succeeds in wooing her by – of course – peeling off his skin and chucking his vital organs around (which are promptly eaten by the models circling him on their skates). By the end, all that remains is a dancing Robbie skeleton. In honour of the clip’s 20th anniversary, HuffPost UK spoke to its director, Vaughan Arnell, for a bit of insight into the creation of a music video that’s still shocking people 20 years after its release. I actually met Rob when he was still in Take That “I directed the Back For Good video for Take That. We shot it in the rain, and they all had fur coats on, and Rob just really pounded it out. And then, obviously, there was the split, and I became a fan of his, I really liked him. “And then we did Angels together, and Let Me Entertain You, which was fantastic, and after that I did the Millennium video too.” His team sent me the original treatment for the Rock DJ video when I was on holiday “It was one of the few videos I’ve done where I didn’t write the treatment. I think Rob was doing a Pepsi ad, and the guys doing the ad [came up with the idea]. So, Rob and the management came to me and said ‘Rob’s seen this idea about him taking his skin off, it was written by two French guys, would you be up for doing it?’. So I looked at it, and I thought it was really exciting. I did make a couple of changes, though “I think [the original treatment] was a little bit more French, they had Rob walking into a disco with a poodle or something, and the girls didn’t notice him so he started taking his clothes off, something like that. I thought it was nice, but I changed it to a roller-skating rink, with Rob coming up into the centre. “There’s a film called Rollerball, where they used to fight going round on rollerskates, so I had rollerskates in my head because of that. I worked on the treatment when I was on holiday – I remember thinking I’d not be able to do the video, because I couldn’t get back in time, but they said they’d wait for me – and I literally got off the plane and went straight into all the prep on it.” Full article below https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/robb...5b612083c5b6cac |
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17th July 2020, 06:59 AM
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f you don’t already know the name Vaughan Arnell, then there’s no doubt that you know the work.
I’ve got a few things wrong, a few regrets. I did one video for Robbie [Williams] recently [Love My Life]. I did this a shoot on a beach. Anyway, Guy Chambers [producer] said to me, ‘did Robbie cry?’. I said, ‘no, why?’. Turns out it was a very emotional song for him and I had no idea, and I’d done this video on a beach; classic Robbie with girls and stuff. It's one of the only times I've misunderstood the meaning of a track. I phoned up the management and asked to reshoot the video. https://www.shots.net/news/view/promo-king-...behind-the-lens I always thought that video was made in a hurry & did not capture the mood of the song, now we know why 
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17th July 2020, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(elisabeth1974 @ Jul 17 2020, 07:12 AM) Agree with you and I also think that he is no one to waste money nevertheless tries new things. And his mind is fast...I only don't think that the broad public who should buy the albums aside of the hardcore fans can follow him. You have a stamp. You saw it with TT taking risk the last years too: People do not want too much risk from 'their' popstars. The same is the case with Robbie. People (not the fans) want the Angels and Feel Robbie with a slight badboy touch and some sex (the reason being married costs him fans). I know very few stars if musician or actor who managed a turn around from the image which was imprinted in people's minds Although conversely - it is his ability to change/evolve/move onto something different that has kept me a fan all these years. |
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18th July 2020, 07:06 AM
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Yep, Laura, but you are not a casual person who goes to a concert and listens to music. You are a 'fan' :-)
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18th July 2020, 07:46 PM
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I think it is always difficult to keep the people who are no real fans by your side if you are quite some time in the business. I agree that these people might not want changes, that they prefer the same kind of songs and the same attitude of the popstar like they are used to and turn away when something changes too much. But at the same time I believe they would not have appreciated it either if he hadn't changed anything. At some point they would have said his songs are always the same and his attitude doesn't match his age anymore and becomes ridiculous and they would have turned away as well. I think there is really nothing a popstar can do about losing some people along the way. It will happen anyway. You just have to try to keep the hardcore fans and perhaps even gain some new fans which Robbie does. I always wonder how relatively much young fans are at his gigs. I believe nobody will be able to keep all his followers when he is over the peak. In fact being over the peak means having lost some of the not hardcore fans and this happens to everyone who is long enough in the business.
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20th July 2020, 07:01 PM
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Love this song ....
So there's something you should know The reason I'm doing you is 'Cause your friend said 'no'  How complimentary is that & Guy Chamber posted this comment three years ago Guy Chambers wow we were good! |
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20th July 2020, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(Sydney11 @ Jul 20 2020, 08:01 PM) Love this song .... So there's something you should know The reason I'm doing you is 'Cause your friend said 'no' How complimentary is that & Guy Chamber posted this comment three years ago Guy Chambers wow we were good! Yes they were!! 
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21st July 2020, 05:19 AM
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You are so right, Lundi. I somehow wait for a second coming of Robbie Williams. Like Tom Jones end nineties or Tine Turner mid eighties. He so deserves it as his musical inheritance is much better and huger than his critics will ever admit. But I still do not see that.
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22nd July 2020, 11:40 AM
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Music industry has changed so much that a second coming becomes much more difficult than in the 80s or 90s. There are so many artists now because they can get famous on their on through the internet and don't need a label anymore. That makes the competition so much stronger. At the same time the duration of popularity becomes much shorter. There is always a new singer who is more interesting than the old one - at least for a lot of people. When even artists from last year are uninteresting by now why should they bother with an artist from the last decade or actually the last two decades.
I don't believe that even the Beatles or Michael Jackson would have so much success today like they had in their times. I don't believe that this is possible anymore. |
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22nd July 2020, 12:58 PM
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agree, well many young people do not even know who they are
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23rd July 2020, 05:56 AM
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Robbie is remembered for his live shows , hope he gets to do those again, that's where his bread & butter is so to speak. It's worrying , lots of outdoor gigs cancelled here for the summer where they were trying to introduce these drive-in gigs but they have not been allowed to go ahead . Fingers crossed Rob gets back on stage live someday , he needs that, we need that , he might not sell that many records anymore but he will always do well with his live gigs. TBH I think he was doing too many anyway, absence will do him no harm at all .
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23rd July 2020, 11:15 PM
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Still listening to RKTVS.
Bodies "everything's contagious - it's the modern middle ages" 
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23rd July 2020, 11:20 PM
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You can never watch this too many times can you?  "Remember me - my name's Bob, the one who landed the pop star's job" This post has been edited by Laura130262: 23rd July 2020, 11:21 PM |
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24th July 2020, 05:10 AM
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I remember when I heard this the first time. As late Rob fan (starting 2006) I have not heard it before I tried to put my hands on the old records. How different this is and how great a tune
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24th July 2020, 05:44 AM
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Here's a live version of the song , it was always a favourite of mine from the first day I head it
Will Young did Live 8 with OGL in Scotland but it was not a patch on this performance |
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24th July 2020, 11:11 PM
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I like this 
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