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7th October 2020, 03:18 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386 Surely all of us can agree that we can't keep having these blanket rules affecting everyone. I'm glad Nic hasn't put all of Scotland under the new restrictions and has focused on the central belt but closing restaurants COMPLETELY is sooo excessive, and the alcohol rule will just lead to more conjestion. These new measures really aren't going down well here. I get the need for the restrictions to continue as cases are rising so fastly and I won't mind so much if these ones only last the two weeks. We'll see I guess! Isn't the central belt like 80% of the population though? I get the need for action, but its the same in England as well, the majority of it falls on deaf ears. I had a look at the PHE reports earlier and by fat the biggest cases of transmission were educational settings and workplaces. Hospitality makes up a small target.. I honestly think unless you target workplaces and education then all these measures ultimately will cause more harm than good in the long term. |
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7th October 2020, 04:32 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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Haven't the rates in the lockdown cities of Bolton etc. actually gone up anyway - in the new normal when I've gone to places for a coffee or a bite to eat I've felt incredibly safe, the staff are all wearing face coverings, there are one-way systems and you check-in with providing trace details or the NHS app. Everyone is well spaced out, they santisied our hands as we went in and in the summer months you could sit outside too.
The worst place is work but thankfully we are only allowed MAX 2 in the office at the same time, and we must wipe down our desks/keyboards etc. at the end of each shift. |
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7th October 2020, 04:47 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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Haven't the rates in the lockdown cities of Bolton etc. actually gone up anyway - in the new normal when I've gone to places for a coffee or a bite to eat I've felt incredibly safe, the staff are all wearing face coverings, there are one-way systems and you check-in with providing trace details or the NHS app. Everyone is well spaced out, they santisied our hands as we went in and in the summer months you could sit outside too. The worst place is work but thankfully we are only allowed MAX 2 in the office at the same time, and we must wipe down our desks/keyboards etc. at the end of each shift. The stats are quite interesting - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/go...ort_week_40.pdf - scroll to page 16 and the 2x charts. I mean maybe Governments are missing something that I am. I think the issue is in a lot of workplaces (including hospitality) is its very difficult for staff to distance each other. Its easier when you're in an office, but still, what is the point of the risk? Quite simply all these measures we have in place I don't think are that effective unless you are truly accurate with your track & trace and then make sure people isolate. |
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7th October 2020, 05:09 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
Joined: 27 October 2008
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The stats are quite interesting - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/go...ort_week_40.pdf - scroll to page 16 and the 2x charts. I mean maybe Governments are missing something that I am. I think the issue is in a lot of workplaces (including hospitality) is its very difficult for staff to distance each other. Its easier when you're in an office, but still, what is the point of the risk? Quite simply all these measures we have in place I don't think are that effective unless you are truly accurate with your track & trace and then make sure people isolate. Yes, agreed. Here are the stats I was referring to btw: QUOTE Bolton: up almost 13 times from 20 cases to 255 per 100k people Burnley: over 20 times from 21 to 434 per 100k Bury: over 13 times from 20 to 266 per 100k ^^ These are whilst under stricter restrictions for TWO MONTHS. |
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7th October 2020, 05:14 PM
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Say that hiss with your chest, and...
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Yes, agreed. Here are the stats I was referring to btw: Bolton: up almost 13 times from 20 cases to 255 per 100k people Burnley: over 20 times from 21 to 434 per 100k Bury: over 13 times from 20 to 266 per 100k ^^ These are whilst under stricter restrictions for TWO MONTHS. Yes its depressing that nothing now seems to work effectively in lowering spread apart from a full enforced lockdown, which of course has all its other issues with it. |
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7th October 2020, 05:23 PM
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Radical Pink Troll
Joined: 11 March 2006
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Social distancing in school is impossible. The kids aren’t required to distance so they just act like normal. Teachers are supposed to distance but we don’t because it’s almost impossible and kids literally walk right up to you without thinking. The kids aren’t wearing masks even though we encourage them to but the staff are wearing them in corridors. I imagine it’s just as difficult in other work places.
The kids were more careful in July when we opened with social distancing. There were almost 6 months to plan, instigate and more importantly spend to make schools a more safe environment. But of course that doesn’t happen and case numbers soar. |
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7th October 2020, 06:58 PM
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Queen of Soon
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Isn't the central belt like 80% of the population though? I get the need for action, but its the same in England as well, the majority of it falls on deaf ears. Yes. It is. The restrictions cover 18 local authorities and 3.4 million people of Scotlands ~5.5m population. Doesn’t cover the whole of the Central belt as Fife, Perth & Kinross, Dundee and Tayside are all excluded from the harshest level of the new restrictions and are considered the eastern/northeast portion of the central belt. A good 0,75m are in these local authorities. It’s a strange infection pattern because you’re not seeing the same levels in Dundee or Fife. Fife May be rural in the North but it has St Andrews Uni which has a very very large student population (9000) in proportion to the town itself (16000) and they’ve had less than 16 cases for the past 7 days according to PHS. Most students are in halls or flat shares and it’s not ripped through them as it as Glasgow or Edinburgh. Even south fife where the Edinburgh folk who can’t afford Edinburgh live hasn’t had a massive spike |
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7th October 2020, 07:51 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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Looks like pubs etc could be closing in high risk areas on Monday.
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7th October 2020, 07:53 PM
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Shakin Stevens
Joined: 29 December 2007
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I assume it’s the more deprived areas getting more cases
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7th October 2020, 08:22 PM
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Social distancing in school is impossible. The kids aren’t required to distance so they just act like normal. Teachers are supposed to distance but we don’t because it’s almost impossible and kids literally walk right up to you without thinking. The kids aren’t wearing masks even though we encourage them to but the staff are wearing them in corridors. I imagine it’s just as difficult in other work places. The kids were more careful in July when we opened with social distancing. There were almost 6 months to plan, instigate and more importantly spend to make schools a more safe environment. But of course that doesn’t happen and case numbers soar. The mask compliance in the corridors has been almost 100% here, well moving between classes it has at least. |
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7th October 2020, 08:27 PM
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there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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I have my fingers crossed this will just be two weeks, which is essentially just an enforced quarantine.
Two weeks I can do. Any more will be hard. |
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7th October 2020, 08:28 PM
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Radical Pink Troll
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The mask compliance in the corridors has been almost 100% here, well moving between classes it has at least. But it’s mandatory where you are. It isn’t in Wales. It’s up to the school to make it mandatory here and all we’ve done is advise and set and example. For a day or two we had compliance but it’s gone by the wayside. I’m just feeling really low at the moment, I don’t think we can keep going the way we are but at the same time I can’t see anything changing. |
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7th October 2020, 08:29 PM
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there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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Things will change when upper middle class people are affected.
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7th October 2020, 09:00 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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Things will change when upper middle class people are affected. It's clear that Labour councils are pushing for restrictions, but certainly in more affulent middle class areas social distancing is just easier. More likely to work home home, larger houses etc. - its clear deprivation is having an effect. I'm just surprised Sheffield hasn't had an restrictions put on it yet either. Anyway, it all sounds a bit grim. The problem we have now is the people that it needs to fall on to, they will continue to break the rules. As I have said before, without a full lockdown it is going to be really hard to control, the virus just does not scare people at the moment. Until we can effectively isolate infected people all these measures on hospitality just some nonsensical in my opinion. |
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8th October 2020, 03:51 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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The infections coming out of the Universities are ridiculous. No surprise all the big University towns/cities are seeing their infection rates spike up (Bristol & Exeter the latest). Over 1000 students have tested positive at Newcastle & Northumbria Universities. I wonder how many Universities are going to get sued once all the dust has settled.
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8th October 2020, 04:49 PM
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Shakin Stevens
Joined: 29 December 2007
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It’s scary to see hospital admissions rising now too
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8th October 2020, 07:15 PM
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Radical Pink Troll
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So apparently loads of teachers have been told by their schools not to use the NHS Test and Trace app as it keeps alerting them to close positive cases and instructing them to self isolate for fourteen days even after receiving a negative test result. It’s supposedly causing chaos in some schools.
We had a depressing Covid meeting first thing today and one teacher said we need to prioritise our own health over the children’s education. There’s a point in there but I really don’t think the education is that trivial. |
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8th October 2020, 07:18 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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8th October 2020, 07:33 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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So apparently loads of teachers have been told by their schools not to use the NHS Test and Trace app as it keeps alerting them to close positive cases and instructing them to self isolate for fourteen days even after receiving a negative test result. It’s supposedly causing chaos in some schools. We had a depressing Covid meeting first thing today and one teacher said we need to prioritise our own health over the children’s education. There’s a point in there but I really don’t think the education is that trivial. Same here, it makes no sense for me to have to switch it off when I walk into work and then turn it back on when I walk home..? |
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8th October 2020, 08:01 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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So apparently loads of teachers have been told by their schools not to use the NHS Test and Trace app as it keeps alerting them to close positive cases and instructing them to self isolate for fourteen days even after receiving a negative test result. It’s supposedly causing chaos in some schools. We had a depressing Covid meeting first thing today and one teacher said we need to prioritise our own health over the children’s education. There’s a point in there but I really don’t think the education is that trivial. I think the patch will get ironed out eventually which sorts the issue, but it is annoying. I've had it at least 3 times now that I've been close to positive cases. You don't know who it is picking up. Lots of lecturers have started striking over their health.. I do think there comes a point when there may be some striking going on. However, it does seem like school transmission is quote low in comparison to other settings. |
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