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 13th April 2020, 08:26 AM
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So essentially from what I am seeing, the Labour right moved to undermine Corbyn, stopped him effectively tackling antisemitism, ruining the reputation of the party in the hopes that he would go quicker, damning/bullying Labour's high profile BAME MPs in the process as they were too left-wing, and now it's not being sent to EHRC.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/a...s-leaked-report QUOTE The new internal report, seen by the Guardian, said it had found no evidence of antisemitism complaints being treated differently to other forms of complaint, or of current or former staff being “motivated by antisemitic intent”. But the 860-page document said it uncovered many failings in the process for tackling antisemitism complaints before Jennie Formby, the current general secretary, took over in 2018. The report said there was an “abundant evidence of a hyper-factional atmosphere prevailing in party HQ in this period, which appears to have affected the expeditious and resolute handling of disciplinary complaints”. Factionalism, not even once. There's a hope that it's all historical now, with a general secretary who took over in 2018 after this period of hyper-factionalism and resistance to Corbyn, and of course the new leader. It'll be a test of Starmer's leadership for sure with how he responds to this, party unity is imperative and that's kind of what his leadership pitch was all about. |
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13th April 2020, 08:58 AM
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That you're devastated when the party does better than expected is an outrage. Like why would you continue to work for Labour if you're wishing the party to fail under a certain leadership.
I too hope that this is in the past and that there aren't too many who think the same about Keir Starmer. And when you consider Andy Burnham and Sadiq Khan to be too left wing...are you sure you've properly considered what you actually want. |
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13th April 2020, 01:27 PM
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Why would you continue to work for labour? Because they are part of an establishment which wants to stop socialism, they aren't labour they are liberals with a belief in the status quo as it favours their class.
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13th April 2020, 04:37 PM
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Well, they are the only significant political operation that has an inclination to work towards socialism/social democracy currently. There's just a certain subset of Labour staffers who've been working against that cause.
I would hope the response to this is that any of those named in the leaks who are still working for the Party in any capacity are expelled, even for the Labour moderates there's an easy case to do so. The way they (and everyone else) treated Diane Abbott in particular is disgusting, and the more I read about it the worse it gets. Like delaying the expelling of Ken Livingstone to cause embarassment for the leadership, laughing at and talking about whether to leak Abbott crying in the toilets, openly insulting Young Labour members with health problems... |
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13th April 2020, 11:34 PM
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They aren't labour they are establishment goons infiltrating the party.
Winds me up when the likes of Luke Akehurst don't bat an eyelid at this when he was falling over himself to criticise JC for the past 5 years, sickening! |
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18th April 2020, 07:55 PM
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The revelations aren't really that shocking, just disappointing really. I've long since given up with actually joining a political party though (despite always voting and having a keen interest), they all seem to me to be incredibly toxic environments.
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29th October 2020, 10:12 AM
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The Equality & Human Rights Commission have officially confirmed that the Labour Party was "responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination" in relation to anti-Semitism and broke equality laws, the first political party to fall foul of this since the British National Party.
Labour has been given 6 weeks to publish its action plan, although it has taken steps in the first few months. Regardless, heads are going to roll. |
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29th October 2020, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Oct 29 2020, 10:12 AM)  The Equality & Human Rights Commission have officially confirmed that the Labour Party was "responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination" in relation to anti-Semitism and broke equality laws, the first political party to fall foul of this since the British National Party. Labour has been given 6 weeks to publish its action plan, although it has taken steps in the first few months. Regardless, heads are going to roll. No surprise, the old chief of staff for Corbyn was on the defensive earlier this week and Corbyn and his cronies are out in full force defending themselves again today. I'm not saying Corbyn is an anti-semite as he isn't from what I've seen, but it's you're accountable as party leader. I do wonder if Labour might expel some party members now. Does seem to be the only way out. |
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29th October 2020, 10:53 AM
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Yes, I do see that the whattaboutery has started on Twitter. As I said, I do feel a few heads will roll over the next few weeks. Not Corbyn, and I don't think any MPs either (the only one who I think would was already kicked out last year), but a few people who were leading figures from 2015-2019 could be shown the door and end up back in the SWP.
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29th October 2020, 01:14 PM
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Jeremy Corbyn has been suspended from the Labour Party pending investigation.
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29th October 2020, 01:26 PM
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The report does seem to limit most of its naming to only two individuals for harassment (Livingstone and Bromley), along with 18 less notable harassment indications.
My takeaway is the leadership responsible for this, yes, they attempted to implement a number of processes for reporting complaints and generally improved over 2017-2019, but not to the no tolerance level, and there seems to be some unfortunate interference in a few cases which is disappointing. Disappointing that they did not address the complaints as well as they could have, to their detriment + the country's detriment. But suspending Corbyn for this, I'm not certain on the political ramifications of this, and apparently that is for his statement made today... which I don't see much wrong with. It quotes the figures from the reports and is fairly accurate about how the situation has developed in the public sphere. |
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29th October 2020, 01:26 PM
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It's quite something to see anyone go from being the leader of a major political party to having the whip withdrawn and being suspended from the party within 7 months!
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29th October 2020, 01:40 PM
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Well that's a bit of a yikes ~
Ngl I did cringe pretty hard at Corbyn coming right out with 'the scale was exaggerated', now was not the time to make that statement, even if he's right. If his suspension was on the basis of that statement I think that's fair and probably necessary. Sad that it has come to this though. |
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29th October 2020, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(Grim Bréaper @ Oct 29 2020, 01:40 PM) Well that's a bit of a yikes ~ Ngl I did cringe pretty hard at Corbyn coming right out with 'the scale was exaggerated', now was not the time to make that statement, even if he's right. If his suspension was on the basis of that statement I think that's fair and probably necessary. Sad that it has come to this though. One thing I won't give Corbyn is that he wasn't great on making himself look good to the public, even though he's probably a far better person than the majority of MPs. I reckon the suspension was planned for a while. Pros: it makes Starmer look decisive and uncompromising on this issue (if he's smart, he'll turn his attention to attacking the Conservatives whenever they next slip up a racism of any description, because Labour's 'house is in order'). Cons: it completes the purge of Labour MPs with left-leaning views from nearly any position of power in the Labour party. Well, it might be a con. Depends how many fervent Corbyn supporters there actually are and how vocal they can be. |
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29th October 2020, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(Moriz Oculiz @ Oct 29 2020, 01:49 PM) One thing I won't give Corbyn is that he wasn't great on making himself look good to the public, even though he's probably a far better person than the majority of MPs. I reckon the suspension was planned for a while. Pros: it makes Starmer look decisive and uncompromising on this issue (if he's smart, he'll turn his attention to attacking the Conservatives whenever they next slip up a racism of any description, because Labour's 'house is in order'). Cons: it completes the purge of Labour MPs with left-leaning views from nearly any position of power in the Labour party. Well, it might be a con. Depends how many fervent Corbyn supporters there actually are and how vocal they can be. The Corbyn statement wasn't great and while it wasn't damning, it just showed Corbyn's leadership - it's always someone's else's fault. Not going to lie, I knew heads would roll, but suspending Corbyn is pretty big as it pretty much eradicates the Momentum led part of the party (which isn't a bad thing in my opinion). Now you can argue this is Starmer doing the right thing, or he is trying to show people who were Labour voters but didn't like Corbyn, that he is firmly out of the Party ideology. I don't think it purges the party of left-wing views, it purges the party of die-hard Socialists which right now are probably more of a hinderance than help to the Labour Party for 2024 seeing as they are hellbent on attacking Starmer and not the Tories 2/3rds of the time. |
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29th October 2020, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Oct 29 2020, 02:02 PM) I don't think it purges the party of left-wing views, it purges the party of die-hard Socialists which right now are probably more of a hinderance than help to the Labour Party for 2024 seeing as they are hellbent on attacking Starmer and not the Tories 2/3rds of the time. See, I can agree on that, I want the left-wing voices to focus on the government's failings and cranks focusing on "Starmer the neoliberal hack" are useless at advocating their ideas, though in the interim period, while we still have plenty of time between now and the next election, I want the left side of the party to influence Starmer enough that he comes up with a policy platform worth caring about and the Shadow Cabinet... could be giving me a lot more confidence. |
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29th October 2020, 02:20 PM
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I am not a Corbyn hater but to be honest he should have already been suspended from the party when he broke the rule of six at the dinner party.
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29th October 2020, 02:20 PM
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29th October 2020, 02:46 PM
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This should kill the Labour Party now. Truly disgusting that this should happen and that creature Corbyn would be so close to being Prime Minister of my beautiful country.
A new opposition party needs to be born that can compete with the Conservative Party, it's healthy for British democracy. |
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29th October 2020, 02:50 PM
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It's not just that creature Corbyn btw, the Labour Party is riddled with Jew hater MP's and supporters. The Labour Party needs to be shut down.
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